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Please disney, stop with the jedi stuff. The show is much more interesting when it stays away
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Nov 16, 2020 20:01
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The show has been headed for Jedi Stuff since the last minute of the pilot.
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Nov 16, 2020 20:05
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In a surprise episode, baby yoda is stolen away in a rogue spaceship: https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/16/21569387/spacex-crew-1-dragon-baby-yoda-zero-g-indicator
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Nov 16, 2020 20:06
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jng2058 posted:She has two new ones that she used in Rebels. Those are probably (though not for certain) in the rubble on Malachor. Last we saw her, she's carrying a staff and wearing a cloak cut noticably differently from the "I'm a Jedi shhhhh" brown robe. I am a huge fan of her, but I'm half hoping she's chilling in a homestead, and tells him to immediately gently caress off, she doesn't want any part of this. But she tells him that maybe he can find help on Lothal. Test Pattern fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Nov 16, 2020 20:13
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Terror Sweat posted:Please disney, stop with the jedi stuff. The show is much more interesting when it stays away If the show ends with anything other than this I'll be disappointed.
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Nov 16, 2020 20:23
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MrMojok posted:How do these tracking fobs work? Pretty well it seems.
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Nov 16, 2020 20:45
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Owlbear Camus posted:Pretty well it seems. They're basically just the compass from Pirates of the Caribbean
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Nov 16, 2020 20:51
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I get a feeling that it seems everyone in the galaxy is chipped like your dog or cat and the fobs can be tuned to a particular chip.
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Nov 16, 2020 20:55
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I get a feeling that it seems everyone in the galaxy is chipped like your dog or cat and the fobs can be tuned to a particular chip. That would at least be more plausible, but baby yoda's info was like "he's 50 and was last seen *gestures vaguely back and to the left*, that should be more than enough info"
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Nov 16, 2020 21:31
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Teek posted:“Disney”? This became weird as soon as the Prequels were made, see the Death Star conference room scene. And that featured many men who FOUGHT in the Clone Wars. Yeah, the impression we get about the Clone Wars from Obi Wan in ANH is very vague, but you feel like Jedi are a scarce and obscure band of eremite warrior monks but nope they were all general officers in the Clone Wars and there were like 20 thousand of them. What we are told about the Clone Wars in the OT isn't clear but it certainly didn't sound like what we saw in the prequels. There never should have been more than 100 Jedi at a time, ever. Also, if you are of an age to have Thought About Star Wars before 1999 - what did you think the Clone Wars were? I figured the Emperor showed up with a whole clone army and took over the Republic.
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Nov 16, 2020 21:38
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The original movie establishes that Ben served a senator as a general in the Clone Wars. Also that the Jedi were the “guardians of peace and justice in the republic”. Sure doesn’t sound like a bunch of hermits to me. The stupid fascist new model army officer looking to impress his boss by sneering at a guy in a spooky black cloak isn’t a credible source as to what people know about the Jedi. Tarkin, who is (like Ben) old enough to remember the republic, isn’t at all skeptical of the Jedi powers of Vader and treats them as a fact of life.
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Nov 16, 2020 21:43
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skasion posted:Also that the Jedi were the “guardians of peace and justice in the republic”. Well we KNOW that ain't true
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Nov 16, 2020 21:45
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I mentioned this the last time this came up but in 2013 I visited China and met 20 year olds who genuinely had no idea Tiananmen Square happened. History is told by the winners.
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Nov 16, 2020 21:45
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zoux posted:Well we KNOW that ain't true Ben “certain point of view” Kenobi
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Nov 16, 2020 21:50
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Paddyo posted:If the show ends with anything other than this I'll be disappointed. This is the way
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Nov 16, 2020 21:53
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Good interview with Katee about the process of returning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiwA0ebw11k
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Nov 16, 2020 21:54
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zoux posted:Yeah, the impression we get about the Clone Wars from Obi Wan in ANH is very vague, but you feel like Jedi are a scarce and obscure band of eremite warrior monks but nope they were all general officers in the Clone Wars and there were like 20 thousand of them. What we are told about the Clone Wars in the OT isn't clear but it certainly didn't sound like what we saw in the prequels. There never should have been more than 100 Jedi at a time, ever. I was genuinely surprised that the clones turned up on the Republic's side.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:00
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zoux posted:Also, if you are of an age to have Thought About Star Wars before 1999 - what did you think the Clone Wars were? I figured the Emperor showed up with a whole clone army and took over the Republic. I absolutely figured the clones were going to be the army the Republic had to fight. That it turned out the clones were the Republic force and the enemy was actually robots was... weird. Although I guess in the end the clones were still kinda the evil army as well? The prequels were a mess.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:07
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Big Mean Jerk posted:If the last four years have taught me anything, it’s extremely easy for a powerful government to obfuscate, bury, and outright lie about the truth and get the population to buy it wholesale without question. So yeah, I have no problem imagining the Empire destroying all mention of the Jedi and turning them from fact to myth. The one thing Trump was good for - making Shreev's Jedi propaganda seem gritty and realistic.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:09
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On a recent rewatch of the original trilogy my favorite retrospective on the prequels was how much Obi-Wan talked about Anakin being really capable, but nothing about his morality. And Luke just taking to heart that his father must have been a good man and a hero and all that while the Jedi who knew him just....didn't engage with that at all.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:10
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zoux posted:Also, if you are of an age to have Thought About Star Wars before 1999 - what did you think the Clone Wars were? I figured the Emperor showed up with a whole clone army and took over the Republic. That was pretty much what I had always envisioned-- some sort of clone army was the aggressors. As far as knowledge of the Jedi, one thing that's easy to lose sight of is that the size of the galaxy has got to be nearly incomprehensible. In the novelization of The Phantom Menace which used to be canon, no idea if the novelizations are anymore, it is said that at the time of the story there are only about 10,000 Jedi. And people in the Jedi order are a bit alarmed because this is the smallest number they've had in thousands of years, and the number is shrinking rapidly as time goes on. Now, granted that many people in the core systems would likely have known about Jedi and possibly seen one at some point, it's also possible that someone who is an average Joe living their life in Hutt space, or way the hell out in the Outer Rim, knows nothing at all about the Jedi. And barely anything about the Republic. Like, they may be dimly aware that something called the Republic is the governing body in the galaxy, but there's no representation of it at all on Tatooine. The way that slavery is illegal in the Old Republic but rampant on Tatooine, because nobody gives a poo poo about Tatooine, just like nobody gives a poo poo about probably tens of thousands of other systems. The large scale battles of the Clone Wars are likely fought on and over a very small number of key planets and systems, with millions of others seeing no action at all. And as somebody said up above, at the time of this show the Jedi purge happened ~31 years ago, and about 22 solid years of that was Palpatine's reign, during which he probably denies that they ever even existed and make every effort to scrub all references to them out of everything. For Joe McScrapScavenger on Tatooine or similar planet, his first brush with any kind of non-local authority is probably seeing imperial stormtroopers garrisons pop up years after the conclusion of the clone wars. But then of course there is also the matter of the "holonet". How extensive was it, what was it used for, etc.? Almost every episode of the Clone Wars TV show opened with what looked like a Holonet newsreel about the status of the war, but this is a narrative device for the us, viewers. I don't know that we ever see any such broadcast or any kind of news being sent out everywhere. These people don't even seem to have books. And of course slave child Anakin, living on Tatooine, knew about Jedi and their laser swords. So basically... it's confusing and inconsistent, I guess.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:14
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zoux posted:Also, if you are of an age to have Thought About Star Wars before 1999 - what did you think the Clone Wars were? I figured the Emperor showed up with a whole clone army and took over the Republic.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:17
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Anakin thinks of the Jedi as a fairy tale who can’t be killed and who he dreams will someday end slavery. Imperial propaganda, if Admiral Motti is any indication, doesn’t insist that the Jedi never existed, just that they were traitors, that they are now all dead except for Vader, and that their magic was bunkum.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:18
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I thought it was just the camera or makeup but god drat Katee Sackhoff has an enormous mouth. Would still die 4 her tho
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Nov 16, 2020 22:22
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Also, unless you were directly affected by the purge or the clone wars, and under the age of something like 15, you probably didn't pay attention or care at the time, so ~32 years later, you've got someone who's 47 years old and believed that Jedi are just a fairy tale.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:23
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zoux posted:
I didn't really think a lot about it, but I think my "go to" assumption was that some kind of evil clone force attacked the Republic. Kenobi and the Jedi fought against it and beat it. Then in the confusion/rebuilding Palpatine took power possibly by promising to build a huge defense force so evil clones could never again be a threat. Your basic Security > Freedom argument. Hell, up to A New Hope the Galactic Senate was apparently still a thing.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:25
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Sash! posted:I'm always a little surprised that lightsabers aren't more common in the Star Wars. Yeah, there's the whole "dangerous to use" thing, but that's never really slowed anyone down before with anything else dangerous to the operator. The new canon recently returned the Tapani sector and its "saber rakes". At least with how the old canon described it, Tapani lightfoils are based on an old Sith design but use cheaper materials and worse craftsmanship that make them weaker than proper lightsabers. They're still lethal to people, but you're probably not going to be slicing apart incoming speeders or starfighters with them. In the original canon as well, making a "real" lightsaber required you to be Force-sensitive because the individual crystals are all unique and you need to be extremely careful in fine-tuning the components to build a working blade. It wouldn't be until after the permanent death of Palpatine and the foundation of the New Jedi Order that the resurgent Sith would develop reliable, identical synthetic crystals and an assembly line for mass producing lightsabers.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:27
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zoux posted:Also, if you are of an age to have Thought About Star Wars before 1999 - what did you think the Clone Wars were? I figured the Emperor showed up with a whole clone army and took over the Republic. I figured it was just clones replacing high ranking officials and manipulating policy which lead to wars. Then the jedi would go around and find clones using their mind reading and what not. It being a literal army of clones was pretty dumb.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:32
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The other thing about if people in the galaxy knew about/actually saw Jedi is that apparently there are officially over 20 million sapient species in the SW universe, and over 50 million inhabited star systems (which means that it's incredibly empty- the Milky Way has a density of over 100 billion stars). Even if each system only had one inhabitable planet (not the case since there have been stories with multi-planet solar systems that are colonized in various SW medium) that would mean that the chance of anyone actually believing that there are supposed wizard/soldier/cops on the planet of bureaucrats that you have heard of but never have actually seen is probably sparse at best. Chances of actually SEEING a Jedi is statistically zero. In the end, the jedi have no impact on the vast, vast majority of the galaxy's people and therefore the majority of those people probably give no thought whatsoever about jedi except for people who are enthusiasts about history or mythology. Star Wars is a lived in place, and people's lives have more important things happening in them to think about such things.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:45
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I figured it was just clones replacing high ranking officials and manipulating policy which lead to wars. Then the jedi would go around and find clones using their mind reading and what not. That's the weirdest explanation for the Clone Wars I have ever heard
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Nov 16, 2020 23:10
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I figured it was just clones replacing high ranking officials and manipulating policy which lead to wars. Then the jedi would go around and find clones using their mind reading and what not. How old were you when you thought of this lmao. My idea of the clone wars when I was like 10 was clone armies on both sides at war who were also in an arms race, with the turning point happening when the evil faction managed to clone "false" Jedi, forcing the real Jedi to finally join the war effort.
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Nov 16, 2020 23:12
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https://twitter.com/ginacarano/status/1327806477923323904?s=20 https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/mandalorian-disney-fire-gina-carano-tweet-democrats-masks.amp
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Nov 16, 2020 23:13
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I know people have been trying to justify it for years and emphasize the rarity and scale and whatnot (which scriptwriters, directors and authors refuse to account for ever), but you can't crash your speeder into someone's garage on Coruscant without meeting someone a Jedi orphaned. They were definitely a stick and/or carrot used by the republic and there are plenty enough species living long lifespans and plenty of royal lines and beauracrat types that, if not completely replaced by the empire, probably had to record dealing with Jedi and/or still remember having done so. Plus the goto line is the May the Force be With You. I dont think they're referencing witches from Dathomir there. I feel like the answer is that moisture farmers have lovely schools and that one imperial officer was
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Nov 16, 2020 23:21
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teagone posted:How old were you when you thought of this lmao. My idea of the clone wars when I was like 10 was clone armies on both sides at war who were also in an arms race, with the turning point happening when the evil faction managed to clone "false" Jedi, forcing the real Jedi to finally join the war effort. I think I was like 12 when ep1 came out, so my theory was definitely from before that.  Why would you need clones as soldiers when you can literally build droids? That poo poo always made no sense to me, even as a kid. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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Nov 16, 2020 23:22
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I think I was like 12 when ep1 came out, so my theory was definitely from before that. :vv: Because, as it actually turned out in the movies, clones are superior lol. And then imagine if a faction figured out a way to manufacture clones that are force sensitive. Look at how many droids a handful of Jedi are able to take on in the PT.
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Nov 16, 2020 23:26
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Please tell us Gina what's REALLY going on  Cara is totally a goner teagone posted:How old were you when you thought of this lmao. My idea of the clone wars when I was like 10 was clone armies on both sides at war who were also in an arms race, with the turning point happening when the evil faction managed to clone "false" Jedi, forcing the real Jedi to finally join the war effort. I was born in 85 and grew up during the Card Game/Dark Forces/X-Wing/Shadows of the Empire Star Wars desert of the 90s, and I don't remember anyone actually caring that much what the Clone Wars actually were.
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Nov 16, 2020 23:26
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Hazo posted:Please tell us Gina what's REALLY going on Unless they’ve already killed the character off this season, they should just recast it for season 3. They can easily find a similar looking actress and nobody will care too much.
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Nov 16, 2020 23:28
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Or just find some other ex rebel trooper to befriend I've played the swrpg, they're almost as common as imperial defectors
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Nov 16, 2020 23:30
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Hazo posted:I was born in 85 and grew up during the Card Game/Dark Forces/X-Wing/Shadows of the Empire Star Wars desert of the 90s, and I don't remember anyone actually caring that much what the Clone Wars actually were. I was born in 86. I always had a fascination with the Clone Wars because of a Boba Fett figure I was given whose packaging on the back briefly described the Mandalorian Supercommandos facing off against the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars which really sparked my imagination.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I figured it was just clones replacing high ranking officials and manipulating policy which lead to wars. Then the jedi would go around and find clones using their mind reading and what not. Lol at this guy theorycrafting while George Lucas goes “it’s a war but there’s clones” Cartoon Man posted:They can easily find a similar looking actress Doubt
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