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Xaintrailles posted:This finally hit the press - note that even the most severe example doesn't have teachers deleting the app. Haha I can’t believe it took this long to come out!
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poverty goat posted:They're also headed into summer, so it's largely just their turn for a reprieve, not something magical about how the upside-down peoples have addressed the crisis. Give it a few months. Here’s Australia’s data at a national level:  That looks like there was a nationally-wide second wave during winter, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. Here’s the data broken out by state:  This is for the 3 states with the most cases. The other states look the same as QLD, just smaller. Note also the different scales on the Y axis. If I showed them all at the same scale, you don’t even see data past the first wave for any state besides Victoria. So what happened was that Victoria had a second wave, but the rest of the country continued on just fine. How? We basically isolated Victoria and forbid them from leaving the state. Those that had to, had to quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel before being released. Exactly the same rules as any overseas arrivals. For the rest of the country, we continued opening up and life returned back to mostly normal. I’ve been going back to pubs/restaurants for months. House parties have been back on. Live music, etc. are open again. Sporting grand finals in September/October were at 75% capacity, with 30k+ people in stadiums. At no point outside of Victoria have masks been mandated except in very narrow circumstances (e.g. aged care facility visits during high risk times). Sure, lots of stuff has been under restricted capacities, but that’s continued to lift even up to today. And all of this easing started in winter. Yesterday, South Australia’s capital city reported 17 new cases related to a cluster in one city that previously had 4 cases. Before yesterday, South Australia only had 17 total active cases. In order to tackle it, the state government set out to within 24 hours contact trace two degrees of close contacts away from each of those 17 cases. On average there’s about 10 close contacts per case, so that’s 170 for the first degree and then 1700 total for the second degree. All of those people will be ordered to get tested and quarantine until they get a negative result. This is the sort of aggressive response that has let each state besides Victoria relax throughout winter without cases surging back. There is a wealth of information and data posted here regarding Australia’s performance, including state-by-state stats on days since community transmission, etc., if you want to get a better feel for the situation. For a snapshot of how our restrictions look, this article details how the restrictions are changing today in Queensland as we continue to open up.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Is this all just speculation or is there some evidence that we know how long the immunity would last? So far can't you get infected after maybe 4 months after having the virus? I mean, that we've witnessed so far. Out of all the confirmed cases of reinfecton so far, the average time has been 78 days between infections but sometimes it's as fast as less than two weeks: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/ quote:People with SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19, may continue to test positive for several months without being sick or infectious. A reinfection is confirmed when testing shows each virus’ genetic makeup is different to a degree which cannot be explained through in-vivo evolution. ... which is probably more like 1 week since they measure between recovery and the new onset of symptoms or new positive test so that doesn't include the pre-symptomatic phase immediately after exposure. Konstantin posted:Plus, the article says that a lot of the spread is due to private gatherings, and a prohibition on them is nearly impossible to enforce, no way the cops will break up Thanksgiving dinner. Even the restrictions that can be enforced will probably be ineffective, when my city started a mask mandate the chuds responded by just driving out of town when they wanted to go somewhere. Cops in Australia were more than happy to bust up parties, in some cases handing out a whole bunch of fines totalling more than $20,000. We also had a hotline were people could dob someone in for holding an illegal gathering. 
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Knormal posted:I thought vaccination immunity was supposed to be the same or worse than post-infection immunity? A year would be great, though I suspect still not long enough to let it burn out through the unvaccinated masses. Reinfection is possible but, so far, apparently isn't common. That's not surprising, immunity is never 100%.
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Saros posted:With summer it's getting easier so the hardest time, the time when they managed almost complete suppression was the winter time where the rest of the world is completely failing. You've got it backwards. By the time NZ/aus summer is over there will be a vaccine available to assist the current containment efforts. Australia will be rewarded by being last in line for vaccines.
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Nov 17, 2020 03:14
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Phew, only 148,000 new cases today, sure seems like the Greatest Country on Earth has this thing under control, in the bag, and around the corner. under the ground, in the bag, around the coroner
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eggyolk posted:Phew, only 148,000 new cases today, sure seems like the Greatest Country on Earth has this thing under control, in the bag, and around the corner. under the ground, in the bag, around the coroner Worldometers.com has it at 162,149: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ That's a 27% increase over last Monday's total of 127,414. If the rest of the week also sees a 27% increase over last week then the US will easily clear 200k/day in a few days.
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The Faroe Islands (pop 50k) are going pretty strong at 497 cases, 494 recoveries, and 0 deaths. They had it eliminated by April, saw a resurgence during the big national festival in July, and are well on track to wipe it out again. In part due to being an island nation with easily enforcable borders, and in part due to getting testing infrastructure online before ever seeing their first case. Dunno how much you wanna count that, as it's a small population, but I like making people aware they exist. It is also the nation with the most Nobel Laureates per capita, one Niels Finsen.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771329555292162 CNN tracked down this nurse for an interview: https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1328319845012824065 There's pretty much gently caress-all anyone can do to combat that issue right now https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1328422178648371203
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:CNN tracked down this nurse for an interview: This is 100% Trump's fault.
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That outbreak in South Australia has now increased to 23 cases: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-17/more-cases-added-to-northern-adelaide-coronavirus-cluster/12891846 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-update/12889548 They immediately closed 5 schools in the area, tested thousands of people, extended quarantines (for free) for everyone in the quarantine hotels where the outbreak started, kicked contact tracing into high gear and restricted travel to other states. E: looks like the outbreak started via fomite transmission quote:He said the virus was transferred to a cleaner at the Peppers Waymouth medi-hotel "via a surface" and that they believe she infected two security guards but none were symptomatic. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Nov 17, 2020 |
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Nov 17, 2020 05:33
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Nov 17, 2020 05:51
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One of the hardest lessons I've had to learn in my life: people don't want to know the truth, they want affirmation of what they already believe. All the facts and figures in the world won't change fact that people want to be lied to, and the slicker the salesman the better. And as we can see, people will spit fire and denial to their literal dying breaths, desperate to hear those sweet, sweet lies. Disgusting.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:One of the hardest lessons I've had to learn in my life: people don't want to know the truth, they want affirmation of what they already believe. All the facts and figures in the world won't change fact that people want to be lied to, and the slicker the salesman the better. These people know. They show up in the hospital and are given a positive result while they watch their oxygen dive and they know. They realize in that moment that everything they believed about this disease was a lie and that not only does that mean they are going to die because of their stupidity, but if they were wrong about this they were wrong about all the other beliefs that exist in the same venn diagram which means they are a horrible person. Their brain short circuits because very few people are strong enough mentally to accept something of that magnitude and they double down. They become angry. They reach and grasp for anything else that would allow them to not have to admit this to themselves, but all the while deep down they know and the fear ramps up exponentially until they are put under to go on a vent. As horrible as that sounds I don't have an iota of sympathy. It's a good thing I am not a health care provider because I would probably whisper something to that effect into their ears right before they went under. gently caress those people.
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I don’t know how I could reconcile “do no harm” with “do your best to give his unrepentant monster a second lease on lie”.
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Platystemon posted:Australia will be rewarded by being last in line for vaccines. Naw, being a rich 1st world country has some perks.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
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If the healtcare workers' mental health wasn't suffering from this, nothing of value would be lost. These patients are 100% responsible for their own suffering and I feel 0 empathy for them. I'd even go so far to say these people should be triaged out in favour of others who wore masks and acted responsible and still caught this illness. But you can't really know the latter. So just triage the deniers out anyway.
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I don't understand the US system - why don't health insurers deny claims where they find people who broke COVID rules got infected? If it's provided through employers, why don't they suspend coverage for unsafe workplaces?
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Xaintrailles posted:I don't understand the US system - why don't health insurers deny claims where they find people who broke COVID rules got infected? If it's provided through employers, why don't they suspend coverage for unsafe workplaces? Oh they will find a way to not pay out. But it's not meant to be a preventative measure.
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Xaintrailles posted:I don't understand the US system - why don't health insurers deny claims where they find people who broke COVID rules got infected? If it's provided through employers, why don't they suspend coverage for unsafe workplaces? Suspending coverage for unsafe workplaces would only serve to punish ordinary people forced to work. My brother-in-law is a huge CHUD and owns a small grocery store. He never wears a mask and even before covid got sick CONSTANTLY because of his poor hygiene and diet. He doesn't tell anyone to wear a mask when they enter the store and doesn't enforce occupancy restrictions or anything. If one of his employees gets sick I don't think they should be denied coverage just because he's dumb as hell, they're just forced to work to make ends meet.
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Xaintrailles posted:I don't understand the US system - why don't health insurers deny claims where they find people who broke COVID rules got infected? If it's provided through employers, why don't they suspend coverage for unsafe workplaces? Wow, you really don't understand the US system. Their aim isn't to provide health care, it's to generate higher premiums. Can't do that unless a certain percentage of the customers get partially cured! See also: research companies that lost a ton of money because they discovered an actual cure for a disease which cut treatment times way down: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gilead-cured-hepatitis-c-thats-become-its-biggest-problem-2017-02-08 (They solved the problem by pricing the Hepatitis C cure just below the cost of the alternative treatment, a liver transplant.)
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MasqueradeOverture posted:gently caress me I'm autistic... Moderna market cap: 38B Novavax market cap: 5.5B Hint hint. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/will-small-long-shot-us-company-end-producing-best-coronavirus-vaccine
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Betteridge’s Law says I shouldn’t invest in Novavax.
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:i almost wish another country would take us over. Still waiting on Canada to unleash their goose hordes...
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Someone insisting it's not real as they cough up their own lung should absolutely be quarantined in a room and left to die, unless the doctors have surplus equipment and nothing else to do. Their continued existence is actively harmful to society in an emergency situation.
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I'm dealing with a situation like that now with a close family member. They wanted to bring their SO's sister and 3 year old son over for Thanksgiving, but everyone else resisted that idea. It turned into a huge argument and - to my surprise - finding out they were something of a COVID-truther. Me: "Having them over could be dangerous due to possible exposure. Why risk it?" Them: "What's the difference between that and me going out to work every day?" Me: "You going out IS a risk, but you take as many precautions as possible - this isn't something that needs to happen to make ends meet." Them: "Fine, we (them and the SO) will go to her house and come back." Me: "That puts you at risk for exposure then, followed by us. Cases are spiking pretty fast now and it's about to get much worse around the holidays." Them: "You know they're fudging the numbers..." Them: "I don't even have it!" Me: "How do you know? Have you been tested?" Them: "I just know!" Me: "Let's all get tested to be sure." Them: "I can't afford it!" Me: "It's free and just down the road." Them: "If I get tested, I'll be fired!" And on and on until they left in a huff. It's really wild and came pretty much out of left field. They aren't right-wing in any other way, just suddenly they're spitting out talking-points like they are. It's tough because I honestly don't know how to safely handle this - they're an adult and can make their own stupid decisions, but not if they're going to hurt the rest of the family.
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HexiDave posted:Them: "If I get tested, I'll be fired!" Huh??? My states hospitalizations doubled in 2 weeks. pro starcraft loser fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 17, 2020 |
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:i almost wish another country would take us over. If it had been on the ballot "should your state leave the US and become a province of Canada, NZ, Germany, Australia, or any of the Scandinavias" I'd have marked yes. Like they'd have us 
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I'm doing my own Thanksgiving this year. My parents haven't asked me to come over yet but I'm just assuming they will. I bought a turkey breast and some boxed stuffing and other stuff that'll make it super easy for a broke brained bachelor but still somewhat thanksgivingy. I invited my friend over but he doesn't know what's going to happen either. His mom really wants to have it but he and his dad think it's a bad idea. There is going to be a TON of travel this year. They even said about 50% air travel and I swear I read somewhere that they're still expecting like 90% car travel. 
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Well on the plus side, most people are going to have to spend less money on Christmas presents this yearPennywise the Frown posted:This is 100% Trump's fault.
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Zugzwang posted:Well on the plus side, most people are going to have to spend less money on Christmas presents this year It's happening in other countries, pretty sure Germany just had an anti-lockdown protest a couple weeks ago. It's just not as huge because they don't have the ruling political party telling them it's a hoax.
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Zugzwang posted:Well on the plus side, most people are going to have to spend less money on Christmas presents this year Here in Manitoba one of the biggest spreaders is the hardcore religious groups that the conservative government courts and protects for their votes Just yesterday they said contact tracing won't work because the spread is in communities too much They rolled back a measure of you aren't allowed to visit people outside of your household because they said it would be too hard to enforce
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My wife and I already canceled Thanksgiving and Christmas with any family. The situation for the midwest will not get better during the winter. We have locked down hard and don't intend to gently caress around and find out.
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HexiDave posted:Them: "If I get tested, I'll be fired!" Why on Earth would this be the case? I never liked management types, but now I'm convinced most of them are sociopaths.
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