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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Matt has just turned into a doomer and fallen into the nothing will ever radically change and we will continue on our slow decline forever and there is nothing to do mindset. He may be right, but I think it's insane to ignore the fact that earlier this year almost every major city in the country experienced extreme civil unrest fanned on by social media posting that worked around media blackouts, and on the other side a few people were able to grow a literal Trump conspiracy death cult that's like a quarter of our nation. Zyklon B Zombie posted:I still enjoy Matt's streams. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/258262904091058176?s=20
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Nov 18, 2020 07:57
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Matt has just turned into a doomer and fallen into the nothing will ever radically change and we will continue on our slow decline forever and there is nothing to do mindset. He may be right, but I think it's insane to ignore the fact that earlier this year almost every major city in the country experienced extreme civil unrest fanned on by social media posting that worked around media blackouts, and on the other side a few people were able to grow a literal Trump conspiracy death cult that's like a quarter of our nation. I wouldn't describe the people protesting against police brutality as disaffected and socially atomized, they were in fact extremely affected and were forced to come together socially. You don't get a bunch of people protesting in one place without drawing from some sort of preexisting social connection and concern for others. When people went out into those streets, the majority of them weren't doing tweetups. They were in their neighborhoods with people they had some sort of social connection to, perhaps even from working in those Amazon warehouses. It's not going to be easy to translate that willingness to go out into the streets to agitate for justice into broader worker solidarity against less obvious oppression, but it's a start. Q I can see as being the product of disaffected online gatherings, but I don't see how you can say that the Qanon model is any sort of path to solidarity or any destination besides an open grave.
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Nov 18, 2020 08:57
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Matt has just turned into a doomer and fallen into the nothing will ever radically change and we will continue on our slow decline forever and there is nothing to do mindset. He may be right, but I think it's insane to ignore the fact that earlier this year almost every major city in the country experienced extreme civil unrest fanned on by social media posting that worked around media blackouts, and on the other side a few people were able to grow a literal Trump conspiracy death cult that's like a quarter of our nation. the thing about matt, is that although he is very smart and knows many things and I sincerely appreciate and like him, is that he is a big fat loser. his reaction to adversity is always melodramatic and defeatist. just look at the tabletop gaming episodes when he didn't get his way. that same aspect of his personality gets projected onto how he parses and interprets politics.
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Nov 18, 2020 09:31
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Mr. Lobe posted:the thing about matt, is that although he is very smart and knows many things and I sincerely appreciate and like him, is that he is a big fat loser. his reaction to adversity is always melodramatic and defeatist. just look at the tabletop gaming episodes when he didn't get his way. that same aspect of his personality gets projected onto how he parses and interprets politics. I mean it's hard to blame him since his most pessimistic outlooks are always correct and it seems like every time he has optimism (e.g. Bernie) he is rewarded with the harsh reality that life sucks and will never improve.
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Nov 18, 2020 09:39
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Al-Saqr posted:I mean it's hard to blame him since his most pessimistic outlooks are always correct and it seems like every time he has optimism (e.g. Bernie) he is rewarded with the harsh reality that life sucks and will never improve. he could stand to be less of a whiny baby about it he's not the only person to experience political disappointment, and hell, he's experiencing it from a pretty materially comfortable position. the continual frustration of the past couple of decades of lived political experience doesn't stop a whole lot of other people I know who are far worse off from maintaining the kindling of some hope in their heart, even if we can all recognize that there's no easy victories any time soon.
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Nov 18, 2020 09:41
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Matt’s only expressed a belief in the inability for change to come through the political structures as they exist now. I don’t think he’s ever said it was impossible for change to occur, just that it’s going to come from unexpected places.
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Nov 18, 2020 10:36
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I Before E posted:Q I can see as being the product of disaffected online gatherings, but I don't see how you can say that the Qanon model is any sort of path to solidarity or any destination besides an open grave. The storming of the bastille was 1700's pizza gate. 
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Nov 18, 2020 12:47
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:The storming of the bastille was 1700's pizza gate. And yet they were actually busting a sicko pervert out of jail
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Nov 18, 2020 12:51
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re: coalescing around online spaces vs. amazon distribution centers / retail only one of those things causing trouble can be a direct threat to capital
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Nov 18, 2020 14:40
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with the huge protests this year, a few places passed some reform stuff (including my city) but defund the police has run out of steam with little to show for it nationally. it reminds me of the huge iraq war protests. you can show up, even do some riots, but without twisting distribution and the material system by the balls, you will have little to really show for it - because the state will just ignore you and continue on
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Nov 18, 2020 14:50
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I abhor social media as much as anyone, but future working class solidarity isn't going to spring out of an Amazon warehouse, it's going to be built by disaffected people coalescing together in online spaces. Not if the online spaces actively suppress and censor them.
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Nov 18, 2020 15:09
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Nov 18, 2020 15:51
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THS posted:re: coalescing around online spaces vs. amazon distribution centers / retail Yeah the idea of online spaces forming anything coherent is a pipe dream that people have had for decades and its been nothing but a string of extremely embarrassing failures ever since. Sorry but cspam and /leftypol/ are not the beginnings of a new revolutionary vanguard.
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Nov 18, 2020 16:12
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I abhor social media as much as anyone, but future working class solidarity isn't going to spring out of an Amazon warehouse, it's going to be built by disaffected people coalescing together in online spaces.
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Nov 18, 2020 16:18
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I abhor social media as much as anyone, but future working class solidarity isn't going to spring out of an Amazon warehouse, it's going to be built by disaffected people coalescing together in online spaces. Finally, posting is praxis again
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Nov 18, 2020 16:35
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Every dozen or so pages someone shoots the exact same "Luddite Matt is wrong about online" shot.
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Nov 18, 2020 17:51
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miniscule12 posted:Man, no growth chapo starting out rough. I would hope there is not praxis on sa because praxis here usually means posting "cool zone" in the cool zone thread whenever a cop poops his pants on livestream
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Nov 18, 2020 17:58
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I don't actually watch video of politicians if I can avoid it. Has Biden's rapid mental decline slowed somewhat, or...? At the rate he was going in the primary, I wouldn't see him lasting a full term.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:00
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Matt's had his brain broken by politics just as bad as the people he makes fun of, he just expresses it differently
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Nov 18, 2020 18:01
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Nov 18, 2020 18:02
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't actually watch video of politicians if I can avoid it. Has Biden's rapid mental decline slowed somewhat, or...? At the rate he was going in the primary, I wouldn't see him lasting a full term. Have we seen that much of him lately? It kinda feels like they've figured out how to manage it in public. long-rear end nips Diane posted:Matt's had his brain broken by politics just as bad as the people he makes fun of, he just expresses it differently The most wrong Matt has been recently was being too optimistic toward the election night results. Groovelord Neato posted:We're beyond hosed when it comes to climate change so Matt is right to go doomer. Anyone who isn't a climate change denier and isn't a full on doomer at this point is just coping. Jonas Albrecht fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 18:04
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We're beyond hosed when it comes to climate change so Matt is right to go doomer.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:08
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Yeah, Matt's stuff frustrates me to no end becayse it makes me feel awful, but I also rarely can find a fault in his reasoning. Even "Well, at some points the system will crash and then some change might happen" is a wistful exercise, because things getting hijacked by the new elite scam or Q-like cult are far more likely than people organizing for equality and achieving any real power to reshape things.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:39
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't actually watch video of politicians if I can avoid it. Has Biden's rapid mental decline slowed somewhat, or...? At the rate he was going in the primary, I wouldn't see him lasting a full term. I don't think he's been doing many public appearances.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:49
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The silliest bit from that ep was will saying "pussy march" and everyone (including us) knowing exactly what he meant because we are terminally online.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:49
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I just listened to one of the recent streams, and in the same train of thought where he's saying that people will be politically divided based on formal education, he acknowledges that the American university system is living on borrowed time. (And we're not talking about a decades-long decline here.) His reasoning regarding an electoral politics based purely on cultural differences and grievances is persuasive, but I don't think that poo poo is going to be sustainable for even a decade. Not while people are getting evicted and dying of plague in a major depression.
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Nov 18, 2020 18:55
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Halloween Jack posted:His reasoning regarding an electoral politics based purely on cultural differences and grievances is persuasive, but I don't think that poo poo is going to be sustainable for even a decade. Not while people are getting evicted and dying of plague in a major depression. Yeah this is gonna be a decade of collapsing power structures, but I can't see much beyond a lot of ruined infrastructure and some really dumb loving county wars.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:02
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Biden's brain is melting online discourse used by the left to try to discredit him during the primaries directly led to Trump and his advisors buying into it which led to Trump acting like a complete psychopath during the first debate which might have actually swung enough votes to flip the margin. I don't know if this is posting working or anti-working.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:06
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Jippa posted:The silliest bit from that ep was will saying "pussy march" and everyone (including us) knowing exactly what he meant because we are terminally online. God yeah, like I had a tiny tickle in the back of the brain that something was odd but would've ignored it completely until Virgil piped in. Just a bolt of clarity
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Nov 18, 2020 19:06
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Biden's brain is melting online discourse used by the left to try to discredit him during the primaries directly led to Trump and his advisors buying into it which led to Trump acting like a complete psychopath during the first debate which might have actually swung enough votes to flip the margin. I don't know if this is posting working or anti-working. What?
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Nov 18, 2020 19:12
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Biden's brain is melting online discourse used by the left to try to discredit him during the primaries directly led to Trump and his advisors buying into it which led to Trump acting like a complete psychopath during the first debate which might have actually swung enough votes to flip the margin. I don't know if this is posting working or anti-working. After the second debate even my boomer dad (who loathes Trump) was saying Biden isn't all there.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:18
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Man, what could possibly be dumber than thinking mass Left solidarity will come from the Internet?Zyklon B Zombie posted:debate...might have actually swung...votes
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Nov 18, 2020 19:19
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Groovelord Neato posted:After the second debate even my boomer dad (who loathes Trump) was saying Biden isn't all there. Really? I thought Biden was -way- slower and unsure in the first debate. Maybe few people noticed because Trump was in full tasmanian devil mode.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:40
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Sephyr posted:Really? I thought Biden was -way- slower and unsure in the first debate. Maybe few people noticed because Trump was in full tasmanian devil mode. I think it was the combo of watching both debates.
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Nov 18, 2020 19:42
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Biden's brain is melting online discourse used by the left to try to discredit him during the primaries directly led to Trump and his advisors buying into it which led to Trump acting like a complete psychopath during the first debate which might have actually swung enough votes to flip the margin. I don't know if this is posting working or anti-working. Trump won the first debate
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Nov 18, 2020 19:42
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Jippa posted:The silliest bit from that ep was will saying "pussy march" and everyone (including us) knowing exactly what he meant because we are terminally online. I loved Virgil getting audibly rattled at Will Carolla going full MGTOW, real Dudes Rock energy
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Nov 18, 2020 20:12
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Mr. Lobe posted:the thing about matt, is that although he is very smart and knows many things and I sincerely appreciate and like him, is that he is a big fat loser. his reaction to adversity is always melodramatic and defeatist. just look at the tabletop gaming episodes when he didn't get his way. that same aspect of his personality gets projected onto how he parses and interprets politics. Matt is at his best and in his element when he is critiquing, pointing out why something won't work or is just starry-eyed fantasy. He is either much worse at, or has no interest in, suggesting alternatives, or outlining any kind of structure for positive change, at least that I know of. Say what you will about her, but Amber seems like the person to talk to about finding the right phone numbers and hitting the pavement. E: double post, sorry
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Nov 18, 2020 20:16
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I had no idea Andrew Cuomo had a book out about how they "beat" coronavirus. That is serious blackpill poo poo.
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Groovelord Neato posted:We're beyond hosed when it comes to climate change so Matt is right to go doomer. if you’re not doom pilled you’re not paying attention or something like that
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