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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:are you seriously asking why putting something that is more expensive in a car would make that car more expensive to produce Plus warranty and service.
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So then why does the WRX cost less
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Nov 18, 2020 22:10
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Sab669 posted:So then why does the WRX cost less Because almost everything besides the powertrain is a lovely econobox Impreza.
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Nov 18, 2020 22:14
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Sab669 posted:So then why does the WRX cost less Does it? It's cheaper here by a noticable margin. Maybe the USA dealers are taking some profit? EDit : looks like only the stripper WRX version without a single option is cheaper. Once you go up to the Premium or want options, the WRX is more expensive CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 22:16
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But anyways, yeah, the WRX enjoys better economies of scale with the rest of Subaru's lineup. It's not just a cost thing, it's a packaging thing, it's a cooling thing, it's a traction control and stability calibration thing, it's a rubber thing, it's a suspension tuning thing. It's also a product differentiation thing. You think for one minute that the BRZ is going to come within spitting distance of a base Supra on power or that it would be within striking distance of a WRX in 0-60? The biggest thing is they DID make a drastic difference in power and improved the curves substantially. It's going to be pretty different animal to drive with those changes.
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Nov 18, 2020 22:33
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Sab669 posted:So then why does the WRX cost less even assuming that every single other component costs the same (which it doesn't, short run components are more expensive), and the platform design cost the same (which it doesn't, the WRX is a lot closer to an Impreza Sedan than a BRZ is), you are absorbing that platform cost over 3,000 annual units for the BRZ and about 18,000 annual units for the WRX, so of course the lower volume car is going to cost more
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Nov 18, 2020 23:47
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PT6A posted:Jesus Christ, the BRZ and a turbo is like Twitter and an edit button. They keep doing everything except the one thing that people really, really want. And, yes, the thing people really want has some disadvantages, but recently I've been told that the customer preference is always right and to "shut the gently caress up about it", so... i own every Bionicle posted:I think there are a few reasons a turbo is not on the table: Toyota wants an NA engine in this car for philosophical reasons and since they fund this whole project, they get what they want. You think Subaru makes any money off the few thousand of these things they sell a year? Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Nov 18, 2020 23:48
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:even assuming that every single other component costs the same (which it doesn't, short run components are more expensive), and the platform design cost the same (which it doesn't, the WRX is a lot closer to an Impreza Sedan than a BRZ is), you are absorbing that platform cost over 3,000 annual units for the BRZ and about 18,000 annual units for the WRX, so of course the lower volume car is going to cost more FT86/BRZ is a rebodied Crosstrek / XV with a lot of unique parts above the floorpan (unusual for Subarus) so that proves your point. Underneath the floorpan it's complete Subaru off the shelf. Just as an aside the WRX is Liberty / Legacy based now to the point the wagon version is a literal Legacy wagon with a facelift.
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I will be 100% trading my 2016 BRZ in on a 2022 BRZ. I'm very glad they didn't gently caress anything up. It's gonna be (more of) a hoot to drive with that much torque. bull3964 posted:I'll probably trade my 2015 in as well, but I'm going to wait until they come out with some cool special editions as I like the unique aspects of my Series.Blue. My 2016 is a Hyper Blue and the only thing I'd miss is the paint color. The matte cover on the instrument cluster will be wonderful for glare, and Apple CarPlay will be nice. The only thing I'd want different is the Brembo brakes from the performance package. antimatt fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 00:21
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I'll probably trade my 2015 in as well, but I'm going to wait until they come out with some cool special editions as I like the unique aspects of my Series.Blue. Nice to see the upgraded the factory rubber as well and went with Pilot Sport 4. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 00:22
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Wonder if it has that “engine noise” ducting like the old ones. Made night and day difference on highway driving.
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With these new Civic and BRZ releases, do you think we're entering a new golden age of conservative design? The new Civic is downright stately. Lol just lol and BMW now who've totally lost the plot design wise.
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smooth jazz posted:With these new Civic and BRZ releases, do you think we're entering a new golden age of conservative design? 
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Buy one and put a turbo kit on it. Thats has long been the point about the Toybaru, if you dont like something on it? Well..... modify it so it does! The number of people that want a turbo are few and terminally online. And guess what? They would find an excuse not to buy the car anyway. Yeah those are slow by modern standards sorry.
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It's a very good car, I drove one and quite enjoyed it, but it would be even more very good if it had more power.
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bird with big dick posted:Yeah those are slow by modern standards sorry. Ah yes "those" standards - The online bench racers who have never actually tried to drive one of them hard. And probably barely have tried to drive somewhat hard other than trying to impress their mates in the traffic light derby. Meanwhile in the real world they are actually fast cars. And not even in the Slow Car Fast style of say a Suzuki Swift GTI or EG Civic or original RX7.
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I’m sorry you’re upset about this but they’re still slow.
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bird with big dick posted:I’m sorry you’re upset about this but they’re still slow. In a straight line yeah, but that’s no fun to me and others.
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Most roads are straight
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I'm impressed they managed to keep the 7500 redline while bumping displacement so much. I've not driven one but Toyobaru drivers I've talked to all mention the revvy engine as part of the car's charm so glad they kept that. Looking at you, Honda.
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Previa_fun posted:I'm impressed they managed to keep the 7500 redline while bumping displacement so much. I've not driven one but Toyobaru drivers I've talked to all mention the revvy engine as part of the car's charm so glad they kept that. The displacement is an increase in bore, so the overall increase in peak piston speed is minimal, and I'd wager a guess the increase in piston mass isn't enough to stress the rods. The crank is nearly bulletproof. bird with big dick posted:Most roads are straight And the BRZ is easily fast enough to get you in to trouble, whether with the law or running out of talent and road. I wonder if the 2022 will have a speed limiter instead of being aero limited? I'm betting with enough road the 2022 will top 150mph.
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bird with big dick posted:Most roads are straight Straight roads are boring. You may as well drive slow. I live near a lot of twisty roads. They're fun.
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Disney brought back Duck Tales. Why not the duck tailed Hyundai?
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bird with big dick posted:I’m sorry you’re upset about this but they’re still slow. bird with big dick posted:Most roads are straight And lo the Great Begark came from the Heavens and He did see that there was those who spread false word. The Lord Begark frowned for this greatly displeased him and with a voice of a screaming BDA Escort cried "My friends! Harken to me for there are many who dwell in the land has forgotten The Truth. Hear ye all who can hear, the word they spread is rotten and doth smell like regular Unleaded! My greatest disciples, who I doth name Ari Vatenen and Colin McRae, heed their word! I say you that The Truth is but three words!" And the were astonished and replied "But Lord Begark, what three words is this?" The Lord Begark replied " Slow Is Fast. For when you perceive the wisdom of this, lo you shall know what truly fast is. Do not listen to those that think 3 ton trucks with low gearing are fast! For this is truly false and you should reject it. Instead look to the cars that do not need to brake for corners, the ones that do not need grip to go around corners,the cars that do not need 300KW to get out of their own way, for then you will see the cars with good power to weight and inherent balance are the truly fast.But do not forget that not all Fast is has AVGAS! Some may run on electric and can also be truly fast!" And there was much rejoicing for the Truth was good and set those who heard free. In all serious now, no car that can do a 14sec quarter is "slow" even by today's standards. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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So what's the obsession with the turbo? Don't they have a bigger engine they can put in? Even Porsche eventually figured it out. Then you get an N/A engine with more power and a marginal increase in production costs.Sab669 posted:There were a lot of comments on Reddit about how "it's just a facelift, just like the 350/370/400Z", but like, what continuously produced car looks radically different from its predecessor? I guess the C6 --> C7 --> C8 was a pretty big shift in design, but I can't think of many other cars where there was not a production interruption AND the car looks significantly different than the gen beforehand.  
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mobby_6kl posted:So what's the obsession with the turbo? Don't they have a bigger engine they can put in? Even Porsche eventually figured it out. Then you get an N/A engine with more power and a marginal increase in production costs. I like how it looks like its slowly narrowing its eyes at you as the designs progress "I'm not a cute car! I'm threatening and edgy, see!?!??"
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mobby_6kl posted:So what's the obsession with the turbo? Don't they have a bigger engine they can put in? Even Porsche eventually figured it out. Then you get an N/A engine with more power and a marginal increase in production costs. NBs look the best, and I will defend this until the end of time.
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Twerk from Home posted:NBs look the best, and I will defend this until the end of time. Sorry you’re wrong. The current gen Mazdas all look the best they’ve ever been. The only ones I like from the past are the RX-7 FC and FD and the Eunos Cosmo.
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I like the NB's headlights more than the ND, but the ND looks better than the rest from the side/rear. I get heavy F-Type vibes from the taillights and I love them. Also I'd say the ND is about as iterative/face-lifty as the 370Z is over the 350Z. "What if the same thing but angry" Also the RF is best 
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Agreed on RF, it looks so good.
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Twerk from Home posted:NBs look the best, and I will defend this until the end of time.  , I'm never upgrading!Sab669 posted:I like the NB's headlights more than the ND, but the ND looks better than the rest from the side/rear. I get heavy F-Type vibes from the taillights and I love them. Also I'd say the ND is about as iterative/face-lifty as the 370Z is over the 350Z. "What if the same thing but angry" Can't believe the ND is 5 years old. I guess it already got the engine refresh but I'm wondering if they'll do a design update soon too.
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I am legit really liking the new Elantra design. Not that I hated the previous generation either but still.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Sab669 posted:I like the NB's headlights more than the ND, but the ND looks better than the rest from the side/rear. I get heavy F-Type vibes from the taillights and I love them. Also I'd say the ND is about as iterative/face-lifty as the 370Z is over the 350Z. "What if the same thing but angry" The ND only works for me with the RF, for some reason it just doesn't look right as a soft top. I'll admit I'm the one weirdo who thinks the fiat 124 is the best of the family, too bad you can't get it with the mazda drivetrain.
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Oh man I always forget the Fiata exists. Yea, I like that thing a lot.  I think I would replace those wheels immediately, though. It has the old motor but with a turbo, right? Like the not-Skyactive-whatever?
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Sab669 posted:Oh man I always forget the Fiata exists. Yea, I like that thing a lot. It has the 1.4L FIAT Multiair turbo. I own one. It's awesome. It uses the NC transmission because the ND version couldn't handle the torque.
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The Fiat version was meant to be the luxury one was it not? It always looked cheaper because of all that plastic on it. The Miata looks more expensive and is generally a much cleaner design.
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As Nero Danced posted:The ND only works for me with the RF, for some reason it just doesn't look right as a soft top. I'll admit I'm the one weirdo who thinks the fiat 124 is the best of the family, too bad you can't get it with the mazda drivetrain.
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It’s an FCA motor and turbo but I’ve heard it’s good.As Nero Danced posted:
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Virgil Vox posted:You don’t want the ND’s transmission Why is that? I've never heard about issues with the ND transmission
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FCA has a long proud history of turbo 4's https://youtu.be/sSTE3FVH9X0
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