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Private Speech posted:Calling a woman "slut" during a parliamentary session or using ths phrase "the [n-word] in the woodpile" during the same - just good old well-natured fun, let's not make a big deal out of it. Toby Young, Andrew Neil and Neil Cole all wrote vigorous and impassioned defences of Clive Lewis, highlighting how the context of the remarks had been entirely erased from the conversation and that this manufactured outrage was an affront to right to freedom of speech. These can all be found here:
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Niric posted:Toby Young, Andrew Neil and Neil Cole all wrote vigorous and impassioned defences of Clive Lewis, highlighting how the context of the remarks had been entirely erased from the conversation and that this manufactured outrage was an affront to right to freedom of speech. These can all be found here: I edited my post a bit, it was only "parliamentary business" not a "parliamentary session" and it did lead to suspensions. Still though.
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Private Speech posted:Calling a woman "slut" during a parliamentary session or using ths phrase "the [n-word] in the woodpile" during the same - just good old well-natured fun, let's not make a big deal out of it. Not even a conflict, a loving joke. Nice to see Jess Phillips stuck up for women over a gendered slur not directly targeted at a woman, I wonder how close this was in time to her making GBS threads on sex workers. In the heady days of 2010, when idpol was a big thing online and my class consciousness was mostly dormant, I was of the view that "oh but they're worse" was an unacceptable defense for minor infractions and mistakes. I do still believe that sentiment at its core, but it is obvious it's been weaponised to enforce absolute purity and perfection from one group, while others get to spray their diarrhoea everywhere, roll around in it, and any mention that they have poo poo of their own to clean up gets called a distraction tactic.
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Private Speech posted:I edited my post a bit, it was only "parliamentary business" not a "parliamentary session" and it did lead to suspensions. You've made me notice that I misspelled Neil Coyle as Neil Cole, making my lazy joke even lazier 
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Nov 19, 2020 09:16
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I think Clive Lewis would be a good Labour leader, his anti-racism letters that he wrote are very good and get straight to the point. I wouldn't like to see what kind of monster the press would become under such a leadership though, but that seems like something we'd have to weather to get anything better than Starmerism.
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Getting unapologetically crass dirtbag leftist shitposters willing to laugh in the face of these kind of nakedly disingenuous concern troll attacks to stand as political candidates is honestly the only way a socialist-y party (post-Starmer Labour or otherwise, though I'm not sure what the alternative is in the UK) is going to make any real headway vs the, populist right. Whimpering and apologising to people who have no intention of ever being satisfied just makes you look pathetic and gains you nothing.
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Firos posted:Iirc Lewis is a bit of a danger, but I don't recall what the specifics of it are. Also there were some women in his constituency (and possibly his CLP) tweeting about how he was making them uncomfortable at the gym by staring at them; I don't remember if that was ever confirmed fully, but there were a few of them supporting each other CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Disnesquick posted:The Yiddish is: Being fair I don't think I've ever seen בייגל spelled with Niqqud (vowel markers) because I haven't been 7 years old in a while, it was my assumption on it because how else would you get the 'eh' sound in there? I assumed a seggol or something, and it really speaks to how often Niqqud is used that I had to look up what 'three dots that go 'eh'' is called. A handy guide for the thread:  Really interesting about the Yiddish though! Is it still pronounced bagel or more like bvegel? This thread is now a Yiddish Appreciation Zone, No Corbyns Allowed. Miftan fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Cutting 30% of the foreign aid budget and allocating it directly to the military is very cool. They changed the rules a while back to allow counting some military spending as aid too, so I bet claim they're still hitting the 0.7% GDP target because drones could technically drop food.
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peanut- posted:Cutting 30% of the foreign aid budget and allocating it directly to the military is very cool. The Guardian had a sub-headline of "Move comes as the government refuses to subsidise meals for children", or words to that effect.
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It's good that the government have finally gotten round to their promise of cutting foreign aid to the bare minimum because there are people here we should help before we help ungrateful overseas types - oh its just for more tanks. oh okay sound
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Niric posted:Fwiw he said this to a man at a boozy momentum fringe event during conference. A bit dumb, but barely worth mentioning imo and he quickly apologised. Obviously the usual suspects were shocked, shocked at this use of language and were forced to inform the media of their very important thoughts I am going to suggest Jessflaps hasn't thought through why bringing teenage girls to Westminster is an awful idea. Either that or she is looking to start a new side gig as a pimp.
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Government to drop kinetic weaponised pennies at 1200 mph on poor Yemeni citizens in order to give them the money they need to have a better life.
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the sex ghost posted:It's good that the government have finally gotten round to their promise of cutting foreign aid to the bare minimum because there are people here we should help before we help ungrateful overseas types - oh its just for more tanks. oh okay sound A while back the MoD tried to get spending on those loving aircraft carriers to count as foreign aid so they could steal DFID budget, which surprisingly was a step too far even for Tories.
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Miftan posted:This thread is now a Yiddish Appreciation Zone, No Corbyns Allowed. This is bad for Jeremy Corbyn
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Drone_Fragger posted:Government to drop kinetic weaponised pennies at 1200 mph on poor Yemeni citizens in order to give them the money they need to have a better life.
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Nov 19, 2020 10:31
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Lol starmer apparently did it cos Margaret Hodge threatened to quit. One of the nastiest, most racist MPs in labour who's family made millions from apartheid south africa
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WhatEvil posted:Eh there's loads of dangers who I have a vague sense of, and know they are dangers, even if I can't remember why. Def useful. Im in ontario but theres a big difference between having a couple of spots here and there and having most small towns feature at least a couple of reasonable mexican places like in the us. Its just an immigration thing. Canada on the other hand is chock full of way better chinese and middle eastern restaurants than most of the us.
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I'm sorry i misremembered what Clive Lewis did, my mind was poisoned by the biased meedja. This is not a sarcastic post in case it reads like one
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I honestly think at the time I assumed he had said that to a woman given the uproar about it lol I think by that stage I had already largely tuned out of political news for the sake of my sanity
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Jose posted:Lol starmer apparently did it cos Margaret Hodge threatened to quit. One of the nastiest, most racist MPs in labour who's family made millions from apartheid south africa What’s the SA apartheid connection please? A cursory search hasn’t turned anything up. Never mind. Found it. Hideous.
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therattle posted:What’s the SA apartheid connection please? A cursory search hasn’t turned anything up. margaret hodge is one of the most reprehensible MPs in parliament for a whole bunch of reasons
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Jose posted:margaret hodge is one of the most reprehensible MPs in parliament for a whole bunch of reasons I read about the child abuse saga. Also horrendous. We agree on something!
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therattle posted:I read about the child abuse saga. Also horrendous. We agree on something! Also the whole "running to the right of the BNP on immigration & race to keep her seat" thing.
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Didn't she also get her seat by getting the PLP to kick out a popular Black woman who was supported by the CLP, or was that one of the other shites?
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she got sent flowers from the bnp for her "housing for white people first" policy
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Guavanaut posted:Didn't she also get her seat by getting the PLP to kick out a popular Black woman who was supported by the CLP, or was that one of the other shites? She got the seat after life long lefty & associate of Nye Bevan Jo Richardson died. Some downgrade. Margaret Hodge also attended an independent school (actually 2), because of course she did
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i posted this the other day but the reason she hates corbyn is literally that he owned her in a debate and she's still mad decades later https://twitter.com/FluidCloak/status/1329360582307438593
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Guavanaut posted:Didn't she also get her seat by getting the PLP to kick out a popular Black woman who was supported by the CLP, or was that one of the other shites? That was Kate Hoey, iirc I can forgive the mix up Jose posted:i posted this the other day but the reason she hates corbyn is literally that he owned her in a debate and she's still mad decades later This is 100% believable, honestly. She absolutely went home after he was suspended and started yelling into the mirror 'who's owned now jeremy, huh, who's owned now???'
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It's also worth noting she led Islington council at the time when they wanted to bulldoze a Jewish Cemetery that had been open since 1840 and turn it into lovely box flats. The Man leading the charge against that particular act of sacrilege on behalf of the Jewish community? Local MP and Famed anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, of course.
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Drone_Fragger posted:It's also worth noting she led Islington council at the time when they wanted to bulldoze a Jewish Cemetery that had been open since 1840 and turn it into lovely box flats. The Man leading the charge against that particular act of sacrilege on behalf of the Jewish community? Local MP and Famed anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, of course. I honestly just fluctuate between laughing at the absurdity of it all and despairing at how so many people seem to have bought it hook line and sinker despite evidence of how disingenuous it all is sitting in black and white for anyone who can be arsed to look.
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so is starmer going to condemn spending £16bn more on the military or is he gonna wank off the troops who won't actually see any of it
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"You love to be in opposition" I scream at my ideological opponents as I actively sabotage my own party's attempts to win an election and slowly turn into a cartoon villain.
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Personally giving every troop a handy might be the best policy he could put forward.
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Drone_Fragger posted:It's also worth noting she led Islington council at the time when they wanted to bulldoze a Jewish Cemetery that had been open since 1840 and turn it into lovely box flats. The Man leading the charge against that particular act of sacrilege on behalf of the Jewish community? Local MP and Famed anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn, of course. It is utterly wild that one dude could do so many good things such as this, for so long of his life, and be lied about to the extent that it is 'public knowledge' and still keep on doing good things despite it all. His strength of character is amazing.
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Guavanaut posted:Didn't she also get her seat by getting the PLP to kick out a popular Black woman who was supported by the CLP, or was that one of the other shites? You're thinking of Kate Hoey, parachuted in to Vauxhall over the CLP nomination Martha Osamor, the mother of current MP for Edmonton Kate Osamor. e: I just realised both Osamor Senior and Hoey are now in the House of Lords, I wonder if they ever reminisce about the good old days? goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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I suspect he will go after stealing it from the aid budget, rather than directly condemn spending more on the military. Labour were pushing on Johnson refusing the guarantee the aid budget the other day.
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peanut- posted:I suspect he will go after stealing it from the aid budget, rather than directly condemn spending more on the military. Labour were pushing on Johnson refusing the guarantee the aid budget the other day. Watch him forensically pivot to agreeing with the Tories saying "we should spend the foreign aid budget on homeless people here" and whipping to abstain when the Tories vote to use the budget to forgive BtL mortgages.
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ThomasPaine posted:That was Kate Hoey, iirc Hoey used to be a Marxist and support a united Ireland and now supports the DUP, lmao what happens to these people's brains?
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