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MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Chubby Henparty posted:


Listened to Valdor Birth of the Imperium directly afterwards and my god that was awful, like a book-length aside to other, better, stories.

I read it rather than listened but I actually quite enjoyed the book, partly for an eyes on account of some unification era stuff but also because I was left with a feeling of actually seeing who Valdor is in a, not very impressive, but actually kind of sympathetic portrait. I think there book also covered the major event it was intending to pretty well, it is intentionally covering a liminal moment, where the unification of Terra isn't quite done but the Crusade hasn't really begun and the transformation happening to the structures of the nascent empire.

I appreciate they don't have a sort of 'this is when Terra was unified' moment because that isn't how real history works. One of the fun world building aspects is that writers can imagine how a post apocalyptic society deals with some super human force imposing 'civilisation' from above.

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MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
When there is no one able to resist the hegemony, that is Unity.

Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007
Holy poo poo, the Infinate and Devine audiobook is so good. Never knew I wanted a Necron odd couple comedy before, but here we are.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Paddyo posted:

Holy poo poo, the Infinate and Devine audiobook is so good. Never knew I wanted a Necron odd couple comedy before, but here we are.

It is. I would LOVE to get a Trazyn vs Chetta (Rites of Passage) novel. It would be PERFECT.


So this looks cool. Definitely some 40k influence. They talk about how they kitbash the models and you can tell 40k minis are part of the equation. Looks like it could be about Mars in the 20k era:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-creators-of-god-of-mars-decided-to-cut-out-the-midd-1845680447

bagrada
Aug 4, 2007

The Demogorgon is tired of your silly human bickering!

I finished the audiobook of Brutal Kunnin', that was zoggin' great. Had to turn off my brain and grab the popcorn, it was a lot of fun after that. I like the idea of orks as basically sports teams/streamers competing for the attention of their two viewers Gork and Mork, hoping to earn worthy reincarnations if they fight and die well. The book doesn't go into that at all (like they don't use cameras or anything), its just a one off line or two that made me think of that, and it made me appreciate orks in a new light.

Grabbed Dredge Runners and Bloodlines to listen to next, and started reading Avenging Son. Thanks all for the reviews and word of mouth.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Paddyo posted:

Holy poo poo, the Infinate and Devine audiobook is so good. Never knew I wanted a Necron odd couple comedy before, but here we are.

Severed is another Necron Odd Couple comedy, I think there's something tragicomic about the Necrons, strong "get off my lawn" energy all round.

BigShasta
Oct 28, 2010
I'm still pretty new to reading recently released BL stuff so this may be a weird question, but why are books like Brutal Kunnin', The Infinite and the Divine, and Fabius Bile: Manslayer "out" and available to read or listen to electronically so far ahead of an actual physical release? I can't find a date for Brutal Kunnin', and Amazon says March and June of next year for the other two as preorders.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Listening to the opening of Mechanicum and the talk of rain I’ve decided that Richard K Morgan’s Thin Air is canonical/in-continuity with 30/40k.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




abrosheen posted:

I'm still pretty new to reading recently released BL stuff so this may be a weird question, but why are books like Brutal Kunnin', The Infinite and the Divine, and Fabius Bile: Manslayer "out" and available to read or listen to electronically so far ahead of an actual physical release? I can't find a date for Brutal Kunnin', and Amazon says March and June of next year for the other two as preorders.

Kunnin and Divine released a month or two ago as actual books

What country do you love in?

BigShasta
Oct 28, 2010

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Kunnin and Divine released a month or two ago as actual books

What country do you love in?

Ah ok, I'm in the US. Maybe I just missed the initial releases.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

What country do you love in?

Whichever one ur mum is currently in?

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Severed is another Necron Odd Couple comedy, I think there's something tragicomic about the Necrons, strong "get off my lawn" energy all round.

The entire time I was reading Severed I was thinking about how cute this genocidal alien madman couple is

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
The Reverie was real good and I hope for more Angels Resplendent/Penitent novels in the future.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

abrosheen posted:

I'm still pretty new to reading recently released BL stuff so this may be a weird question, but why are books like Brutal Kunnin', The Infinite and the Divine, and Fabius Bile: Manslayer "out" and available to read or listen to electronically so far ahead of an actual physical release? I can't find a date for Brutal Kunnin', and Amazon says March and June of next year for the other two as preorders.

BL sucks when it comes to how they handle releasing books in different formats. They rarely just release all formats at once. I'm an ebook reader so it doesn't really affect me as they usually release those first, but I understand the frustration. The other lovely thing they do is release the LE editions months before any other format so a small group in the fanbase get to read it and spoil it for everybody else. Also, they only sell hardbacks of new books for a limited amount of time and then never again unless it happens to be a really big seller, the secondary market is all kinds of wonky because of this. They've actually got better about all this over the last few years, but they have a long way to go.

Everyone should check out this incredibly interesting interview with Laurie Golding from 2016. She left BL shortly after the management change in 2015 and she goes in depth about all the issues prior to the change and how things were improving. BL is miles ahead of where it was pre-2015 in terms of quality, but they still have some weird practices like abrosheen is talking about here (and she talks about this specific thing in the interview)

https://www.trackofwords.com/2016/11/29/interview-with-laurie-goulding-part-one/

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!
Black Library also releases in GW stores before it goes on general release for places like Amazon. The keen have to go via GW and pay full price. Not a bad business model and I'm sure Amazon would hate it if they knew/cared.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The local book place in Dublin that Waterstones bought out years ago has been releasing the warhams stuff as soon as it shows up for as long as I've cared.

BigShasta
Oct 28, 2010

Foxtrot_13 posted:

Black Library also releases in GW stores before it goes on general release for places like Amazon. The keen have to go via GW and pay full price. Not a bad business model and I'm sure Amazon would hate it if they knew/cared.

FWIW I often check BL for stuff and they just don't have it, unless you want an ebook or audio.

D-Pad posted:

I'm an ebook reader so it doesn't really affect me as they usually release those first,

On that note I've been debating buying an e reader. The main reason I still read actual books is to avoid screen related eye strain. I read right before bed because it actually helps me sleep, something I have trouble with at times, and when I look at my phone for a while before sleeping it has the opposite effect. Do any of you who read e books use a kindle or other e reader (what do you prefer), and are they good for reading by lamplight without causing sleep issues? I could save a decent amount of money on BL stuff by switching and avoid the availability and out of print problems.

D-Pad posted:

It's ok, but not on Bloodlines level. If you like Mechanicus it has good stuff in there, including a visit to where they turn people into servitors. It's the weakest of the crime releases so far, but they've all been high quality while this one is middle of the road warhams. That being said I am really digging the crimes setting as it is refreshing after all the space marine bolter porn and for that reason alone I would recommend it. If you want more crimes and haven't picked up No Good Men, the anthology, I would suggest that over Flesh and Steel though. Excellent collection of short stories.

From a page back but thanks for the recommendation, I'm enjoying No Good Men right now.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

abrosheen posted:

On that note I've been debating buying an e reader. The main reason I still read actual books is to avoid screen related eye strain. I read right before bed because it actually helps me sleep, something I have trouble with at times, and when I look at my phone for a while before sleeping it has the opposite effect. Do any of you who read e books use a kindle or other e reader (what do you prefer), and are they good for reading by lamplight without causing sleep issues? I could save a decent amount of money on BL stuff by switching and avoid the availability and out of print problems.


The kindle paperwhite (or whatever they are called now) are cheap and pretty much indistinguishable from a book page. Their screens are e-paper not LED or anything like that and at least for me, it feels just like reading a book as far as eye strain etc. YMMV. If you've never seen one in person it's hard to get across how book-like they are, blew me away first time I saw one back in the day.

Myself, I actually read most of my ebooks on the kindle app on my phone. At first I didn't like it, but it was just more convenient when I didn't have my Kindle with me and eventually I got used to it. I use dark mode and typically lower brightness along with big fonts. There are several other settings that can help with eye strain. The app is free so you could just download that and play around with the settings and try and read a book on it. The kindle paperwhites are awesome though.

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


Kindles are more like staring at an etch-a-sketch than a phone/screen unless you gently caress up and get a tablet instead of an e-reader. Even with the optional screen backlighting. I have mine set just brought enough to read in bed with low lights but not enough to illuminate the room.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


frogge posted:

Even with the optional screen backlighting.

Paperwhite screens aren't really backlit. They have a light guide that spreads the light from side-mounted LEDs, which greatly reduces the "staring into a lightbulb" feeling you get from reading on tablets or monitors.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/adembskibowden/status/1329004213318377475?s=20

Which book is he writing? Black Legion 3?

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


MrNemo posted:

I read it rather than listened but I actually quite enjoyed the book, partly for an eyes on account of some unification era stuff but also because I was left with a feeling of actually seeing who Valdor is in a, not very impressive, but actually kind of sympathetic portrait. I think there book also covered the major event it was intending to pretty well, it is intentionally covering a liminal moment, where the unification of Terra isn't quite done but the Crusade hasn't really begun and the transformation happening to the structures of the nascent empire.

I appreciate they don't have a sort of 'this is when Terra was unified' moment because that isn't how real history works. One of the fun world building aspects is that writers can imagine how a post apocalyptic society deals with some super human force imposing 'civilisation' from above.

(Valdor Birth of the Imperium)
I'm guessing it relies on readers already having enough awareness of those events, like I read some of the HH series years ago but I'm not really that up on pre-30k lore. I got it just from seeing it mentioned positively here, and could get my hands on it. So maybe my bad for going straight to part 6 of an ongoing saga but there wasn't much on this Valdor character (he's just a bookend device really) and then just the progression of a couple iterations of supersoldiers stomping over their predecessors.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006


Yes and even better news he posted this same thing on Facebook and somebody referred to it as a trilogy in the comments and he replied and said he thinks it's a series not a trilogy so this won't even be the last one!

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Can't lie I was holding on to the dream that Iskandar Khayon would win.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

D-Pad posted:

Yes and even better news he posted this same thing on Facebook and somebody referred to it as a trilogy in the comments and he replied and said he thinks it's a series not a trilogy so this won't even be the last one!

Pretty sure at some point he did say it Black Legion books were going to be his Gaunt's Ghosts so to speak.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

peanut- posted:

Can't lie I was holding on to the dream that Iskandar Khayon would win.

He already won, he got to tell everyone they were hosed before Cadia blew up.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Do we know if Iskander got out during the khorne invasion? I believe Cypher escaped?

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

D-Pad posted:

Do we know if Iskander got out during the khorne invasion? I believe Cypher escaped?

Cypher always escapes.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

My Advent calendar came in. I was so close to not buying it and wasn't expecting much but I am so glad I did. 25 total art prints. Here are some of the best:























The others are mostly book covers and also great.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Chubby Henparty posted:

(Valdor Birth of the Imperium)
I'm guessing it relies on readers already having enough awareness of those events, like I read some of the HH series years ago but I'm not really that up on pre-30k lore. I got it just from seeing it mentioned positively here, and could get my hands on it. So maybe my bad for going straight to part 6 of an ongoing saga but there wasn't much on this Valdor character (he's just a bookend device really) and then just the progression of a couple iterations of supersoldiers stomping over their predecessors.

I don't really know much about Unity-era Terra but I really enjoyed Valdor, especially after having read The Regent's Shadow.

The Custodes are just so interesting to read about to me.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Inspector_666 posted:

I don't really know much about Unity-era Terra but I really enjoyed Valdor, especially after having read The Regent's Shadow.

The Custodes are just so interesting to read about to me.

Custodes are my favorite faction. There were some cool parallels between Valdor and Regent's Shadow. Almost as if Valorian was taking inspiration from Valdor's actions.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
I did not realize they got Doctor Who folks to do the audio for the Warhammer Adventure books.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Chubby Henparty posted:

(Valdor Birth of the Imperium)
I'm guessing it relies on readers already having enough awareness of those events, like I read some of the HH series years ago but I'm not really that up on pre-30k lore. I got it just from seeing it mentioned positively here, and could get my hands on it. So maybe my bad for going straight to part 6 of an ongoing saga but there wasn't much on this Valdor character (he's just a bookend device really) and then just the progression of a couple iterations of supersoldiers stomping over their predecessors.

That's probably fair, I forget sometimes how much of this poo poo I've read and how much of my headspace is taken up with useless trivia about made up space mens. The disappearance of the Thunder Warriors is A Thing in terms of obscure lore and they aren't something we've seen before properly (I'm looking at you surviving but mad TW in that dumb early HH book) so it was interesting to see them properly contrasted with the Space Marines.

Really Valdor Birth of the Imperium is probably more the meta equivalent of the HH series for 40k, it's a glimpse into a period of time that has often been referenced in 30k stuff but we've never really seen. The book being about the first appearance of the Space Marines isn't really as important as giving some stage time to the early politics and how life changed from the time of the early warlords on Terra. Seeing the iteration in creations was also kind of a cool touch Primarchs originally being the leaders of Thunder Warrior cohorts was cool. Also what others have said: Custodes are an interesting group who have generally had competent writers so far, I find them more interesting generally than Space Marines because they at least have an awareness of human culture beyond weaponry.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




For eBook readers, an iPad has a really high-quality screen, adjustable brightness, can handle more formats than a Kindle, and is more useful in general than a Kindle. I've been using them since the first generation, and both the Kindle app, and Apple's iBooks are excellent readers.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


mllaneza posted:

For eBook readers, an iPad has a really high-quality screen, adjustable brightness, can handle more formats than a Kindle, and is more useful in general than a Kindle. I've been using them since the first generation, and both the Kindle app, and Apple's iBooks are excellent readers.

Doesn't the iPad have the same kind of refresh rate as every other screen? The point of a Kindle is that it's less strain on the eyes because there's no flicker.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Got Saturnine on Audible. It seems real good?

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Finished Avenging Son, it's ok. I liked the parts about Roboute and the first Primaris astartes, it was better explained as an introduction than the Dark Millenium books. The other PoVs and plotlines felt really uninteresting to me though.

Also I'm halfway through The Infinite and the Diviner and it's been super amusing so far. I'm digging both main characters, they are such big assholes.

Metalshark
Feb 4, 2013

The seagull is essential.
I was amused at this post from Dan Abnett on Facebook, because, well, fair enough.

quote:

Hey, Tanith readers. A couple of idle questions…
Over the last few days I’ve been doing some serious ‘world building’ and updating of my own lore-record for the Gaunt’s Ghosts novels. As anyone who’s touched a Gaunt book will know, there are a LOT of characters, so I have to do an update every few years just to keep track of everyone… you know, births, deaths and…. Well, mainly deaths. If I don’t, mistakes occur, though some of those have led to “happy accident” storylines ( ie Mach Bonin, Yoncy, Merrt etc). Anyway, the latest update is in progress, and it appears… how can I put it? It appears I have lost a character. Or two.
I am neck-deep in continuity research (it’s my job, after all), which means word-searching my digital files of the novels… which, as you can imagine, is a major task. Most of my queries I can fix myself, but I thought I’d throw a couple to the reader squad… I know people have been reading or re-reading the Gaunt books during lockdown, so you might just happen to know the answers. I’m not asking people to root around and do hours of research - please don’t! This is just a casual call out - but if any of you by chance know the answers to the following, it would save me a few hours of word-searching. So…
1. Trooper Derin. Played a significant role in “Honour Guard” and was last seen (alive) in “Only in Death”. Has anyone seen him since? Did anyone see him die? Does anyone know his first name (‘cause it ain’t ‘Trooper”, I know that much).
2. Sergeant Haller. Friend of Gol Kolea and Ban Daur, salt of the Earth reliable Verghastite. Last seen in “Anarch”, so I know he’s keeping well. But…. has HE ever had a first name?
3. Cown. Veteran Tanith trooper. Been in the books since FOREVER. Is he still alive? Also, first name?
I STRESS… please do not put any effort into this. The bucks stops with me. But if it turns out that you know, sling me a message and your name will… be inscribed on the Golden Throne of Terra for eternity. Or I’ll say thank you. Either/or.
PS - Yes, I know there are SEVERAL Gaunt’s Ghosts wiki’s on-line, and they’re amazing. But they’re not error-free or completely up to date.
PPS - the ‘first name’ thing. I’m making an effort to give everybody (EVERYBODY!!!! Hundreds and hundreds of characters!!!) full names because… well, this is lightly troubling… but I clearly find it easier to arbitrarily off a character if they only have a surname. “Trooper Mktanith” will get whacked without a second thought or regret, but “Trooper Jim-Bandicoot Mktanith” will give me pause. I guess I’m the kind of serial killer… I mean, writer… who likes his targets as anonymous as possible. So you could see this as a conservation effort. But I also don’t want to start calling Trooper Mkghost “Trooper Binky Mkghost’ if it turns out that in book whatever I called him Francine. *
* names are for illustrative purposes only and bear no relation to actual Ghost characters alive or dead. Most probably dead.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Metalshark posted:

I was amused at this post from Dan Abnett on Facebook, because, well, fair enough.

He thinks about his brutal murders.

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Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Warhammer: most probably dead.

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