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flakeloaf posted:Am I the only one who reads "people who didn't file tax returns" as "people who are poor, or indigent, or just turned eighteen"? No, that's an entirely valid reading of that statistic*. People living off investment income are still filing tax returns. *This doesn't mean that they actually qualified for CERB, but I can't think of any reason why they shouldn't get in on that action.
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Crow Buddy posted:Pretty sure this is it. Not sure where the idea that someone making >$200k isn’t submitting taxes or is ineligible for EI comes from. Because we desperately want to believe that someone deserving will finally get theirs, as opposed to the CRA cracking down on the lowest hanging fruit, the people who can't afford tax lawyers, etc.
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I’m sure the minority liberals will get right on punishing 800,000 high income voters.
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Nov 19, 2020 15:41
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Rutibex posted:i very highly doubt anyone making $200K per year is ineligible for normal EI payments. people at that level get severance pay. no one making that much needed CERB regardless of the moral aspects of it, being ineligible for EI isn’t a requirement for qualifying for CERB. you didn’t even have to lose your job to qualify. if you were a contractor for example you could have just had no work coming in during the lockdown. Noblesse Obliged posted:I’m sure the minority liberals will get right on punishing 800,000 high income voters. The article does not say that the 800,000 were high income, if anything it's the opposite as others have pointed out. The national post just threw in that fact at the end about 14,000 high income people receiving CERB in order to arbitrarily connect the two and drum up support for means testing, and if people on here are falling for it I can only imagine it will be even more effective on their boomer readership. Starks has issued a correction as of 15:54 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 15:47
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Starks posted:regardless of the moral aspects of it, being ineligible for EI isn’t a requirement for qualifying for CERB. yes but wouldn't someone making $200k per year collect more from EI than they would from CERB? you can't collect EI and CERB at the same time
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Nov 19, 2020 15:59
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Speaking of EI, what are the odds that the new EI minimum payment is going to go away as soon as this pandemic wraps up? It was nice to see lower income workers not having to worry about their barely enough to survive income being cut by 45%.
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Nov 19, 2020 16:06
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People love to ignore the fact that CERB is literally the most successful economic injection of cash in my lifetime and it was done by paying the citizens cash. direct. The Conservatives would've given us a 5$ Petro Can gas voucher and a "tax rebate" at the end of the year while touting "more money in your wallet" People were obviously going to take advantage of it - so be it. Let the CRA sort it out. If it pressures the CRA with capacity, well now you're a job creator good stuff. Landlords NEEDED to be paid immediately! Why hasn't anyone thought of the Landlords!!??
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Nov 19, 2020 16:07
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CERB was definitely needed to keep everything from crashing completely and I was hoping it'd just turn into UBI but it's definitely something that should be clawed back at income tax time from people who don't need it. Clawing it back is totally supposed to be the CRAs job. But that isn't going to happen because we live in the dumbest timeline instead those high income earners aren't going to pay back a dime and we're just going to get more social safety net destroying austerity to make up the difference.
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Nov 19, 2020 16:11
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I still wonder to this day if I shouldn't have taken the CERB despite being ineligible for not making enough the year before. So many did, and now we have the numbers to prove it. I just couldn't take the gamble of being hosed by the taxman in the coming years I'm poor as gently caress and in enough debt as it is. If there's one constant in the this universe, it's that poor people always, eventually, get the shaft. Unless the philosophy around capital changes in the next few years, I'm still sure that my poor friends that took the gamble might get hosed, one at a time, in silence, with a nasty government bill to pay back what they "owe". That extra 2000$ I could have put aside would be extremely welcome right now. Sigh.
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Rutibex posted:yes but wouldn't someone making $200k per year collect more from EI than they would from CERB? you can't collect EI and CERB at the same time There are a lot of ways to be eligible for CERB but not EI. The biggest one that comes to mind is if you are a contractor/self-employed/business owner who didn't actually lose their job, just had no work/sales coming in. Even for salaried people, they could be eligible for CERB with a high enough reduction in their hours, while that's not the case for EI. I'm not saying none of those 14,000 were fraudulent and I'm not trying to die on a hill for people that make more money than I ever will, but that little tidbit was slipped into that article for purely nefarious reasons and I think it's intentionally misleading.
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Popoto posted:I still wonder to this day if I shouldn't have taken the CERB despite being ineligible for not making enough the year before. So many did, and now we have the numbers to prove it. I just couldn't take the gamble of being hosed by the taxman in the coming years I'm poor as gently caress and in enough debt as it is. If there's one constant in the this universe, it's that poor people always, eventually, get the shaft. Unless the philosophy around capital changes in the next few years, I'm still sure that my poor friends that took the gamble might get hosed, one at a time, in silence, with a nasty government bill to pay back what they "owe". Word of advice, when it comes to the CRA, do not "gently caress around and find out". If you have to even consider the consequences, you are too poor to be loving with the CRA. They will get their money from you and the less you have the more it's going to cost you in interest in penalties to pay it back. I don't begrudge anyone for taking CERB benefits, least of all the destitute, but if you have enough to get by on, and don't actually qualify for CERB, you're going to end up paying it back and then some.
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infernal machines posted:Word of advice, when it comes to the CRA, do not "gently caress around and find out". If you have to even consider the consequences, you are too poor to be loving with the CRA. They will get their money from you and the less you have the more it's going to cost you in interest in penalties to pay it back. Exactly my thought process back then. I'm actually planning to emigrate to a poorer, less costly country anyway, where my fiancee lives, and having to deal with financial poo poo like this before going away was of no interest to me. I'll try my luck someplace else.
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Rutibex posted:yes but wouldn't someone making $200k per year collect more from EI than they would from CERB? you can't collect EI and CERB at the same time ei maxes out at just over 500 a week so not really. also like, i am well above average income but have collected cerb because my ei did not last the 9 months ive been out of work
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Nov 19, 2020 16:59
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Popoto posted:I still wonder to this day if I shouldn't have taken the CERB despite being ineligible for not making enough the year before. So many did, and now we have the numbers to prove it. I just couldn't take the gamble of being hosed by the taxman in the coming years I'm poor as gently caress and in enough debt as it is. If there's one constant in the this universe, it's that poor people always, eventually, get the shaft. Unless the philosophy around capital changes in the next few years, I'm still sure that my poor friends that took the gamble might get hosed, one at a time, in silence, with a nasty government bill to pay back what they "owe". Institute UBI and claw it back at tax time if someone made too much; it's simpler, cheaper to monitor, and fairer than means-testing. Cold on a Cob posted:i had an acquaintance trying to encourage me to use my corporation to borrow 10k and just pay back the minimum later i.e. free 2.5k iirc. obvs i didn't do it because i'm not a bastard like that. I have a rule that if I, a reasonably intelligent financial layperson, cannot understand this financial trickery in less than 30 seconds, it's unnecessarily complicated and possibly unethical. I don't need the extra money and I certainly can't be hosed to do the extra paperwork. That's why I have an accountant! To reduce the amount of paperwork and stress in my life!
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i think your accountant was offering to do the paperwork for you, so you could both share the free government money
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just got my flu shot was hard to find one better late than never
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Took bloody forever but finally the BCNDP are doing the bare minimum. https://twitter.com/bcgovnews/status/1329583913665142784?s=21
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how has doug mccallum not gotten offed by covid yet he seemed pretty sickly even before all this kicked off
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flakeloaf posted:Am I the only one who reads "people who didn't file tax returns" as "people who are poor, or indigent, or just turned eighteen"? No, that's the correct reading. There's also people who don't file because they distrust the government, either because they're conspiracy kooks or because they or their family were placed in residential schools. Generally, people who don't file aren't dodging taxes, they're actually paying more by losing out on entitlements. The 800,000 people mentioned probably needed it!
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I don’t get how you can ban yoga classes but not team sports or school but hey what do I know prediction nothing will change as school and private gatherings seem to be where it’s spreading
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Saskatchewan posted:Moe added that there are thousands of Saskatchewan residents and families still recovering from the economic burden of the first lockdown. Thanks Moe you fat gently caress I'm glad the economy can recover safely. Man wouldn't it be fuckin WILD if we had some sort of organization we gave money to every year that could support those residents and families through a lockdown?! I'm so loving mad I bothered voting in provincial elections this year
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Nov 20, 2020 02:28
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pay me to stay home you cowards and dont stop until the virus is gone. then build a wall.
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Reality Protester posted:pay me to stay home you cowards and dont stop until the virus is gone. then build a wall.
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sorry if this is controversial but personally i think it's good that people who needed money during an emergency were able to get it without means testing
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lmao https://twitter.com/mbalazo/status/1329916803087216642?s=20
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gently caress that makes me feel way better about being nearly that old
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Nov 21, 2020 00:11
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Imagine how he'll look when he's 60! 
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Nov 21, 2020 02:37
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He could be our very own Patrick Stewart!
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Nov 21, 2020 02:54
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Donairs do rule though I had donair poutine today and it was the bomb.
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priznat posted:gently caress that makes me feel way better about being nearly that old
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I live very close to Halifax donair but I don't know where to get one of those bibs
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Duck Rodgers posted:I live very close to Halifax donair but I don't know where to get one of those bibs That's a basic rear end napkin, dude just unfolded it entirely. They are not useful at catching anything at that level, the material basically melts at contact with any moisture lol.
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Reality Protester posted:pay me to stay home you cowards and dont stop until the virus is gone. then build a wall. Duck Rodgers posted:I live very close to Halifax donair but I don't know where to get one of those bibs Oh they are opening a franchise of King of Donair here in Cow Town I hope its as good as the one on pizza corner priznat posted:gently caress that makes me feel way better about being nearly that old Makes me feel great about being older! Bilirubin has issued a correction as of 07:14 on Nov 21, 2020 |
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There's some really low spots along Dundas where this sinkhole is, wouldn't be surprised it's naturally occurring. Gonna be some neon trees next spring.
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Canadian ninja turtles coming named Lismer, Varley, Johnston and Casson.
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their rat master is named braydyn
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Time to grab some straws. Who wants in?
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