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jokes posted:Ironically the UNSC was only the 'good guy' because of an existential crisis but was otherwise 100% an evil fascist government, but then the existential crisis was resolved and in a dumb and bad fluorish the UNSC is just The Good Guy now (??). Tbf, didnt the covenant destroy virtually every human colony? Probably less rebels cause there just aren't that many humans about
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The idea that rampant Cortana is obsessed with solving all humanity’s problems by using supercops is actually a pretty good one, given that she’s a flash clone of Halsey.
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General Battuta posted:The idea that rampant Cortana is obsessed with solving all humanity’s problems by using supercops is actually a pretty good one, given that she’s a flash clone of Halsey. "You know Warden, Chief would have killed this thing by now AND crouched up and down on its corpse"
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Nov 19, 2020 01:53
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jivjov posted:Growing up/becoming more "woke" is really fascinating regarding Halo lore. I remember reading Fall of Reach and loving the "kids get spirited away in the night to become super soldiers" and totally being on board with their original stated purpose of "putting down dissident human factions". Flash forward a few years and I suddenly realize, yeah...Halsey and the UNSC are TURBO-fash I really wish the game did something with it outside that intro cutscene. It gets you pumped for a story that doesn’t happen. Maybe one I’d rather be playing.
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Rant Ok I finally encountered the Prometheans and...I just can't. Somehow, they are worse than I remember and I don't think I have the patience to deal with these fucks again. What the gently caress 343, how do you design what is perhaps one of the worst, most annoying, most unfun enemies, ever? I will take the Flood any loving day over these loving bullet sponges. The knights and the stupid loving dog-knights are themselves bad enough. But then 343 decided ""huuurrr durr in our playtesting they weren't quite annoying enough, what to do???" They decide to introduce these fuckers https://www.ign.com/wikis/halo-4/Promethean_Watcher These little flying fucks are A) impossible to hit and B) won't loving die. However you HAVE to kill them because they act as little shields/healing devices for the knights, and ONTOP of that will bring "dead" knights back to life! And you know what, ALL of this wouldn't be so bad if 343 gave you some serious firepower to use against them. Except all the "promethean weapons" are basically human weapons with orange skins and fancy animations. You WILL run out of bullets quickly, because every single knight is a goddamn bullet sponge to take down. Oh and if one charges and get's close to you they can instantly pull out a sword and one-hit kill you. Fun! Now I remember why I hated this loving game so much. I forced myself to play through this poo poo before in the hope that "no, it can't be this bad, surely it MUST get better. Its Halo! At some point it will be good!" But it never does get better. The story is dumb, the knights loving suck, and as good as the graphics are my GOD is the color pallet just boring and bland. Also I realize Marty O'Donnell is apparently a gigantic rear end in a top hat, but the man knew how to create a memorable soundtrack. I have no idea what bland poo poo is going on in the background of Halo 4 but it puts me to sleep. In short. Halo 4 sucks, the Promethean Knights are one of the worst FPS enemies of all time, and I am not suffering through this poo poo again now that I remember how much this game pissed me off all those years ago. /rant Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 05:11
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Actually the Halo 4 soundtrack is cool and good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FjYxS9fpCE Halo 5 has a bad soundtrack tho
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Solaris 2.0 posted:https://www.ign.com/wikis/halo-4/Promethean_Watcher So that's how everything in Destiny feels
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Nov 19, 2020 05:56
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Arcsquad12 posted:The core question about whether Spartans are machines or not in the context of a postwar setting is ripe for exploration. I just wish we didn't need stupid Forerunners involved trying to wipe people out. In another universe Halo 4 would be a sequel to ODST and be Halo: Spec Ops Solaris 2.0 posted:Instead we get egg man and his prometheans and oops Cortana wants to murder the universe now. Just... the WORST writing. I'm sorry but I've written D&D campaigns while drunk that had more depth of character.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:01
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Rant Don't forget they also catch and throw back any grenades you toss. loving brilliant enemy design that one. </sarcasm> Solaris 2.0 posted:And you know what, ALL of this wouldn't be so bad if 343 gave you some serious firepower to use against them. Except all the "promethean weapons" are basically human weapons with orange skins and fancy animations. You WILL run out of bullets quickly, because every single knight is a goddamn bullet sponge to take down. This is what makes Halo 4 basically broken in my opinion. The weapon balance such as it is, the level design and types of cover you're given, and the amounts of ammo provided, mean that you're constantly scrounging for lovely rifles to plink from cover and its just... NOT HALO. And super not fun. It feels like the worst of Destiny. Its incredible how far backwards everything is going. RBA Starblade posted:So that's how everything in Destiny feels 
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Nov 19, 2020 06:03
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The stupidest thing about Cortana is that she was always naked for some reason, and the minute she puts on clothes she’s evil. Also why the gently caress did they make her naked and then give her individual toes? That’s so weird.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:08
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Is Halsey making a naked sexy AI version of herself better or worse than her boning Captain Keyes and being Miranda's mother for no good reason?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Is Halsey making a naked sexy AI version of herself better or worse than her boning Captain Keyes and being Miranda's mother for no good reason? Wait what. Is this a thing that is revealed in Halo 5 ?
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Nov 19, 2020 06:38
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Wait what. Is this a thing that is revealed in Halo 5 ? Before Halo 5 but Halo 5 does have an opening cutscene that shows Halsey keeps a photo of Miranda on her lab desk. Keyes was her escort during her assessment mission to determine if 6 year old Master Chief was a good candidate for the Spartan program and she decided to have his baby.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:38
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Wait what. Is this a thing that is revealed in Halo 5 ? It was mentioned in one of the early novels, iirc.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:39
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I realize the cast of characters in Halo is small as poo poo. John talks to like 6 people across H1-4, most of them related to one another.
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Nov 19, 2020 06:41
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3clrnn59qF8 Halo 5 is a goddamn mess. I dont think they ever explain how she knows Locke or why he'd kill them both (I know ONI would kill them but why Locke would go through with it is the question). Not that it matters because, like the opening and closing cutscenes of Halo 4, this has NOTHING to do with the actual game itself. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 06:42
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Playing halo 4 for the first time, in co-op. Enjoying it so far, it's not as bad as I was worried it was be. The prometheans are definitely less fun to fight and their weapons are kind of bland, but you're still shooting covenant too, and it's nice to be up against elites again after all brutes in 3 and ODST. it's kind of funny how the first 3 missions are basically a speedrun of halo CE. Wake up from cryo on ship, repel boarders, crash land on alien planet, find map, accidentally awaken ancient evil, escape in a vehicle run.
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Nov 19, 2020 11:08
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The fastest fix to the Prometheans is just giving the player way more ammo. Halo 4 has like a permanent global Famine skull and it sucks. The second fastest fix is to increase the Knight shield recharge stun to something sane like Elites have. These are both changes I hope modders can make with no problem.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:18
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General Battuta posted:The fastest fix to the Prometheans is just giving the player way more ammo. Halo 4 has like a permanent global Famine skull and it sucks. Even on the first level I was constantly looking for ammo. I forgot about that, I thought it was because we were doing co-op.
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Nov 19, 2020 18:32
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General Battuta posted:The fastest fix to the Prometheans is just giving the player way more ammo. Halo 4 has like a permanent global Famine skull and it sucks. I've also noticed that 4 is much more aggressive with "Tidying up" the battlefield and despawning any weapons you might not have touched, which only helps the ammo situation. "Is that a light rifle? [gets closer] gently caress its a suppressor."
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Do all the Halo games run on their own proprietary engine, or how does that work?
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They all run on various iterations of the Blam! engine, which is probably the Myth engine at its core.
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General Battuta posted:They all run on various iterations of the Blam! engine, which is probably the Myth engine at its core. drat. Blam! sounds like a nickelodeon game show. I forgot about Myth. That was the perfect compliment to Quake DM at lan parties.
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jokes posted:I realize the cast of characters in Halo is small as poo poo. John talks to like 6 people across H1-4, most of them related to one another. For a military the scale of several planets and star systems, they have like 3 generals total. Your Brain on Hugs posted:Playing halo 4 for the first time, in co-op. Enjoying it so far, it's not as bad as I was worried it was be. The prometheans are definitely less fun to fight and their weapons are kind of bland, but you're still shooting covenant too, and it's nice to be up against elites again after all brutes in 3 and ODST. it's kind of funny how the first 3 missions are basically a speedrun of halo CE. Wake up from cryo on ship, repel boarders, crash land on alien planet, find map, accidentally awaken ancient evil, escape in a vehicle run. Yeah, those first missions are fairly well designed IMO, if you're 343i and you're bad at everything the least you can do is just copy what people liked, (Halo CE) so the beginning of Halo 4 is basically The Force Awakens. But then the rest of the missions are pretty lame, the Prometheans are awful, and the story just plain sucks. Cortana isn't Cortana, Commander Shouty Face shouldn't out-rank the hero of humanity Master Chief and has no reason to be such a dick, The Librarian and Didact are just generally awful across the board, and the way the game ends feels really weird and stilted. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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General Battuta posted:The fastest fix to the Prometheans is just giving the player way more ammo. Halo 4 has like a permanent global Famine skull and it sucks. Halo 1 AR max ammo: 600 rounds Halo 4 AR max ammo: 220 rounds Halo 1 Shotgun max ammo: 60 rounds Halo 4 shotgun max ammo: 30 rounds Halo 1 Magnum max ammo: 120 rounds Halo 4 Magnum max ammo: 32 rounds What the gently caress. The magazines are also smaller, and ammo pickups are smaller. It really is like the game was designed with Famine skull and I don't know why you'd do that. Halo already had plenty of reasons to swap weapons occasionally for tactical situations. You don't have to loving force it. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 21:59
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Zaphod42 posted:Commander Shouty Face shouldn't out-rank the hero of humanity Master Chief As a non-com Master Chief is technically outranked by the greenest lieutenant fresh out of OCS.
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Nov 19, 2020 22:28
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Yeah I think Noble Six is the highest ranking protagonist you can play as until maybe Locke. I guess Fred-104 is also an LT. but he defers to Chief as team leader for Blue Team.
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General Battuta posted:As a non-com Master Chief is technically outranked by the greenest lieutenant fresh out of OCS. Yeah I know, that's the point.
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Happy Hedonist posted:drat. Blam! sounds like a nickelodeon game show.  So the story goes, Bungie's old office in Chicago was on a busy street that had a lot of really reckless driving going on. Whenever they'd hear screeching tires but no resulting crashing noises, someone would shout "Blam!" to provide "a sense of completion".After that, it was used as Halo's development codename because frankly, its original codename was "Monkey Nuts" and Jason Jones couldn't face the possibility of telling his parents he was working on something with that name.
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Jesus christ that's dumb I wish internal names for programmers' projects were just boring poo poo like CompuMax. Everything went downhill once nerds started wearing t-shirts to work instead of ties, they started expressing themselves and nobody likes that at work.
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Ah, Halo 4 is back! I remember I no longer had the proper console to play it, so it borrowed one from friends and finished the campaign in 2 days. As it's included in the MCC, I installed it and I must now be around 1/3 to 1/2 through the campaign. Really uninspired storytelling that kills another part of the cool background of the Halo universe + dumbs down any character unfortunate enough to appear - which is all the more horrible because the intro delivered a good plot hook about the UNSC's and Halsey's fashiness. The new enemies are absolutely not fun to fight and although the new design for the Convenant is ugly as sin, at least they give satisfying feedback instead of just exploding into a light ball or scrap. The new weapons are mostly meh - although I liked the plasma pistol getting more oomph back. The massively reduced ammo for all weapons was already mentioned,so I'm even more irritated that I always have to keep enough Light rifle / Carbine ammo with me to shoot down these flying drone assholes who are too fast to be hit by anything else. I feel with those people who play the campaign on heroic/legendary - this must feel like a massive slog with very little payback. All in all, Halo 4 has helped me accepting that the production system of late stage Capitalism eventually destroys every successful media franchise it touches (looking at you, Mass Effect, Star Trek, Star Wars and many others!), so 2/5?? SavageGentleman fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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SavageGentleman posted:All in all, Halo 4 has helped me accepting that the production system of late stage Capitalism eventually destroys every successful media franchise it touches (looking at you, Mass Effect, Star Trek, Star Wars and many others!), so 2/5?? yeah it's the gambler's ruin ain't it? if you don't stop on a high, you're guaranteed eventually gonna hit a low and be made to stop
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The whole design behind the Elites was that these guys are your equals. They have the same skill set as you (guns/grenades/melee), are aggressive and have recharging energy shields. Even if they're "boss" encounters (like Zealots in CE, ultra's in 2) they're still bound by the same rules as you. It's why Bungie and 343 have struggled to replace or rebalance them. Promethean Knights are put in place of elites for a large portion of 4 and they don't follow the "rules" of the game world and they're outright stronger than you. That's why they're bullshit. Their shields are overly strong (take multiple grenades on legendary) and recharge to quickly, they can teleport to safety or to instakill you. They're each a slog to take down in every engagement. They feel more like event enemies like the chieftains from 3 but they're used normal major enemy types instead. People have pointed out the lack of ammunition and that's true. But I feel a big problem with the Knights is that after taking down a strong enemy in games like this, it's generally rewarded by the player getting to take what made that enemy such a threat from them and use it against them. Elite ultra's energy swords, brute Chieftan gravity hammers, to a lesser extent the other power weapons the mini boss enemy's would carry. Knight's instakill with blade you can't steal and the majority of them drop weapons that are no more effective against them than what you used to down them. It's a criminally unsatisfying gameplay loop.
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They also make what used to be good tactics useless and what used to be dull tactics the default way to play. Flank around behind strong shielded enemies to get the drop on them -> oh they just warp away Stand directly infront of enemies and unload rounds until they go yellow dust -> rewarded gameplay
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Bedshaped posted:They also make what used to be good tactics useless and what used to be dull tactics the default way to play. Also the design of the maps is often such that running towards an enemy will leave you out in the open with little cover for too long and you'll get killed fast. So you end up just hiding behind walls and plinking away over and over until they die from a long distance, ducking back behind the wall of cover whenever your shields get pinged, like its Call of Duty. Oh and lets not forget how every mission's objective is always "do thing 3 times in a row". That's really inspired design. Jump through a portal, hit a switch, was that cool? Do it two more times!
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Zaphod42 posted:For a military the scale of several planets and star systems, they have like 3 generals total. To be fair almost all of them died at reach or the battles before
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My favorite thing about 4 re: the lack of ammo, is that they finally give you a proper machine gun, they even call it a SAW, look at that high rate of fir--oh whoops you just emptied the magazine trying to shoot a bunch of flying drones and now you're out of ammo
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I can’t remember but does John finally defeat the Prometheans in 5? I’m really hoping in Infinite we’re just shooting rebels and left over covenant or something less annoying.
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Imagine if in Halo 4 John teamed up with splinter human and covenant factions to stop a crazed UNSC-Elite alliance faction bent on using forerunner tech to impose their rule. You fight rogue Spartans AND Elites! Would have been vastly more interesting and fun than what we got.
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a peck of pickled peckers posted:My favorite thing about 4 re: the lack of ammo, is that they finally give you a proper machine gun, they even call it a SAW, look at that high rate of fir--oh whoops you just emptied the magazine trying to shoot a bunch of flying drones and now you're out of ammo Man I wish games still had infinite ammo cheats because I would rock the poo poo out of that gun for the entire campaign if I could
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