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yea he was fine in that. also nightcourt. i think i was traumitised by the master of disguise
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wait, i think i thought master of disguise was a carrot top movie featuring bret spiner. i swear to god there's a movie where farting data fights a puppet
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Nov 20, 2020 00:48
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5 minutes into most recent Disco. . .loving hell Michael is getting harder and harder to watch each episode.
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alexandriao posted:Uhhhh, do you think recovering from trauma is a straight linear graph? It's more of a spiral. You get better then something happens and you instinctively revert to old ways of being, then you realise and get better and you figure out how to stop that from happening again. You will forget stuff you learned last week because it's habit for you to not do xyz, or it still feels strange and human memory is super malleable :/ lol, no, this is quite explicit with Voyager's writing; Rick Berman was quite specific that continuity was forbidden. See also B'Elanna's Furious Klingon Temper that she barely controls appearing only about once per season for a B'Elanna-centric episode. You're reading waaaay too much into a show made by someone that treated music as "Sonic wallpaper" and encouraged the cast to be as bland as possible so guest stars stood out more.
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alexandriao posted:That's the thing though. Data does have emotions. He has faith that he's not just a computer. He tries and wants to fit in and feels a need to do that. He feels bad when he hurts others and he feels concern about his friends' wellbeing. He misses people and likes some people's company over the company of others. He felt visibly hurt, however slightly, when his mother said in the cavern about leaving him behind (the second time, not the time in ten forward). It has been shown, time and time again, that Data does have emotions. this is a really great take, thank you for posting it
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Nov 20, 2020 02:59
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Neddy Seagoon posted:lol, no, this is quite explicit with Voyager's writing; Rick Berman was quite specific that continuity was forbidden. See also B'Elanna's Furious Klingon Temper that she barely controls appearing only about once per season for a B'Elanna-centric episode. literally the only voyager music i can really remember is the dramatic stuff when the prometheus goes to black alert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07eyG5l7dVE
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Nov 20, 2020 03:00
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Crusader posted:this is a really great take, thank you for posting it Agree with this, too, though I think season 1 data is rather inconsistently written and acted, but Spiner got it, fundamentally, even if after that he had to have an episode every season where he gets to actually act in a way he's more accustomed to doing. Honestly, I think he's the best actor on the show including Stewart.
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Nov 20, 2020 03:20
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Panzeh posted:Agree with this, too, though I think season 1 data is rather inconsistently written and acted, but Spiner got it, fundamentally, even if after that he had to have an episode every season where he gets to actually act in a way he's more accustomed to doing. Honestly, I think he's the best actor on the show including Stewart. We just watched Elementary, Dear Data tonight and I agree with this, at least in a sense. Stewart does great literally almost always, but Spiner just seamlessly drops in and out of Data and Holmes on the fly, and I don't know if Stewart has even had the opportunity to do that.
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Nov 20, 2020 04:27
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:We just watched Elementary, Dear Data tonight and I agree with this, at least in a sense. Stewart does great literally almost always, but Spiner just seamlessly drops in and out of Data and Holmes on the fly, and I don't know if Stewart has even had the opportunity to do that. The flute episode where he just seamlessly drops into being a peasant will stick with me forever.
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Nov 20, 2020 07:01
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Washout posted:The flute episode where he just seamlessly drops into being a peasant will stick with me forever. Most TV episodes aren't shot in sequence.
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Nov 20, 2020 07:54
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Timby posted:Most TV episodes aren't shot in sequence. no see, there was an actual flute edit: i forgot it's the probe that does the mind thing not the flute 
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Nov 20, 2020 08:38
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Neddy Seagoon posted:lol, no, this is quite explicit with Voyager's writing; Rick Berman was quite specific that continuity was forbidden. See also B'Elanna's Furious Klingon Temper that she barely controls appearing only about once per season for a B'Elanna-centric episode. no, see, I wrote it right here: alexandriao posted:unintentionally realistic. also for what it's worth, I deeply hate the guy for firing Ron Jones. Sometimes I will just listen to the Best Of Both Worlds soundtrack, because it's such good music. I also like the stuff he did with the sentient crystals. For any readers that don't know, all of his star trek soundtracks are on (the eminently unethical) Spotify. alexandriao fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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Nov 20, 2020 08:41
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Washout posted:The flute episode where he just seamlessly drops into being a peasant will stick with me forever. Not quite what I'm talking about. Spiner would be hamming it up as Holmes (and Burton provides a great contrast by completely underselling Geordi's Watson) but then will just be Data to answer a question for Geordi, and vice-versa, all in one take.
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Nov 20, 2020 14:15
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The man who acts like an emotionless robot is a good actor
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While it's obvious that it is Spiner who masterfully depicts Data's evil twin brother Lore it might surprise you to learn that the same actor also plays the role of their creator Dr. Noonien Soong. Spiner's performance as the genius android cyberneticist is so transformative and the makeup work so convincing that it is hard to imagine that it is the same actor. What I consider to be Spiner's magnum opus occurred during the Season 6 episode "Fist Full Of Datas." In the frontier America period piece that transcends character study Spiner effortlessly shifts from role to role eventually plays the entire town of Deadwood in an unprecedented performance. What Spiner puts on display is a masterclass in the art form.
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Nov 20, 2020 19:40
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That episode was pretty good.
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Nov 20, 2020 19:43
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Holy poo poo is TNG S1's "When The Bough Breaks" unbelievably stupid. I guess adoption agencies no longer exist in 2364 so let's steal some children?
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Nov 20, 2020 20:47
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tango alpha delta posted:Holy poo poo is TNG S1's "When The Bough Breaks" unbelievably stupid. I guess adoption agencies no longer exist in 2364 so let's steal some children? Where are they supposed to get adoption agencies from on a mythical hidden planet that no one believes exists and doesn't have any children? I mean yes it's a stupid episode but that's mainly because it has wesley crusher in it.
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Nov 20, 2020 20:50
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LMAO I forgot that the USS Voyager was Janeway's first command. They really did promote her to admiral so she couldn't gently caress up that bad anymore.
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Nov 20, 2020 20:52
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She got her ship and crew home, and hosed up the borg big time. How's that a gently caress up?
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Nov 20, 2020 20:54
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CainFortea posted:Where are they supposed to get adoption agencies from on a mythical hidden planet that no one believes exists and doesn't have any children? I'd like to think that after the first visit with the mythical planet, the Federation flagship could have made a few calls to the Federation to help out one or two children on various border worlds 'displaced' by war with the (at this early point in the series) Romulans. The writers really missed a beat by not showing the larger landscape of the galaxy and leaning waaaay too hard on manufactured conflict.
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Nov 20, 2020 20:59
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tango alpha delta posted:I'd like to think that after the first visit with the mythical planet, the Federation flagship could have made a few calls to the Federation to help out one or two children on various border worlds 'displaced' by war with the (at this early point in the series) Romulans. The writers really missed a beat by not showing the larger landscape of the galaxy and leaning waaaay too hard on manufactured conflict. Anything that gets them away from the Season 1 rape gangs!
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Nov 20, 2020 21:10
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CainFortea posted:She got her ship and crew home, and hosed up the borg big time. How's that a gently caress up? Getting them stranded in the first place. All the dumb poo poo she did while in the Delta Quadrant. And the Janeway that became an admiral didn't really get her people home. It was future Janeway who had to commit multiple crimes and break all the rules to cheat and bring them home early.
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Nov 20, 2020 21:12
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She got them all home, so she couldn't be cashiered out, but they sure as hell promoted her to Admiral so she'd never sit in a captain's chair again. Cf. Kirk, James T.
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Nov 20, 2020 21:35
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tango alpha delta posted:I'd like to think that after the first visit with the mythical planet, the Federation flagship could have made a few calls to the Federation to help out one or two children on various border worlds 'displaced' by war with the (at this early point in the series) Romulans. The writers really missed a beat by not showing the larger landscape of the galaxy and leaning waaaay too hard on manufactured conflict. Okay, but this episode takes place during that first visit to the mythical planet. And then they stole the kids during that visit. Jose Oquendo posted:Getting them stranded in the first place. All the dumb poo poo she did while in the Delta Quadrant. And the Janeway that became an admiral didn't really get her people home. It was future Janeway who had to commit multiple crimes and break all the rules to cheat and bring them home early. How exactly did she get them stranded? She didn't send a text to the Caretaker going "lol bruh take me i'm ready". Voyager got yeeted to the delta quadrant without asking. And there's no way in hell they could have used the station after the guardian died to send themselves home. The kaizon were shooting at them at the time. It was either let the kaizon take the station or blow it up. And technically since the future admiral came back to help her get her ship home faster that means she got her crew and ship home, twice. Once, and then did it again but faster. And then faster janeway got promoted to admiral as well.
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CainFortea posted:Okay, but this episode takes place during that first visit to the mythical planet. And then they stole the kids during that visit. The correct move is to use the station to go back home and let the Kazon take it when you’re gone.
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numberoneposter posted:While it's obvious that it is Spiner who masterfully depicts Data's evil twin brother Lore it might surprise you to learn that the same actor also plays the role of their creator Dr. Noonien Soong. Spiner's performance as the genius android cyberneticist is so transformative and the makeup work so convincing that it is hard to imagine that it is the same actor. This sounds like something American Psycho's Patrick Bateman would say if he was a TNG fan.
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Number_6 posted:This sounds like something American Psycho's Patrick Bateman would say if he was a TNG fan. lets see paul allens card
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CainFortea posted:And there's no way in hell they could have used the station after the guardian died to send themselves home. Haven't seen the episode in forever but I could have sworn there was dialogue that said they could do exactly that, but then they'd be leaving the perfectly-functional array in Kazon hands.
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Nov 21, 2020 06:35
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CainFortea posted:Okay, but this episode takes place during that first visit to the mythical planet. And then they stole the kids during that visit. a sea of bad takes here: #1: the planet took the children, the enterprise got them back, and then probably got in touch with the federation to figure something out to ensure their society could continue. whether that's genetic repair and embryo creation, or intergalactic fostering, etc. #2: All she had to do was beam a timed detonation photon torpedo within range of the station 2 seconds before the caretaker sent them home. hell they've shown they can do fractional second beaming times sometimes. so we could hit 500 milliseconds and not even have to flinch for incoming fire. and hell, any incoming fire would only damage 2 decks anyway. then they would be home. Also, it really was not their fight. The prime directive kicks in stops them from interfering with the occampa, not just that but the Kazon have a right to the caretaker's array. Just like the Federation has a right to all the random tech it finds. But she wanted them to get trapped. She saw the delta quadrant and internally was like "If I pull this off... I can become the most decorated Starfleet officer, and we'll have discovered so many new worlds it'll be amazing". It's pure sadism (towards the crew).
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The Ferengi wormhole episode is far more egregious than the Caretaker anyways. A direct wormhole back to the Alpha Quadrant (a place chock full of species getting duped by Ferengis on a daily basis) but she refuses to use it because some country bumpkins are getting a bit hosed by the local Ferengi from that Troi episode of TNG.
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all she had to do was beam them up, flip the bird, and leave. yeah.
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alexandriao posted:lets see paul allens card TRY GETTING RESERVATIONS AT SISKO'S NOW, YOU STUPID BASTARD
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Endless Trash posted:The Ferengi wormhole episode is far more egregious than the Caretaker anyways. A direct wormhole back to the Alpha Quadrant (a place chock full of species getting duped by Ferengis on a daily basis) but she refuses to use it because some country bumpkins are getting a bit hosed by the local Ferengi from that Troi episode of TNG. The whole conclusion of the TNG episode was that the wormhole was only fixed in the Alpha Quadrant. By the time Voyager cruised around, their neutrino-puckered anus home had been gone for 7 seasons worth of Trek! 
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https://twitter.com/thisismewhatevs/status/1230326291964010497?s=19
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Poison Mind posted:The whole conclusion of the TNG episode was that the wormhole was only fixed in the Alpha Quadrant. By the time Voyager cruised around, their neutrino-puckered anus home had been gone for 7 seasons worth of Trek! Yes it was fixed in the Alpha Quadrant, which is where Voyager wants to go? In the Voyager episode it was indeed only moving from their side, and instead of quickly going through it while they had the chance they stay behind to moralize to some space goblins. That’s probably when the crew mutinies, realistically.
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At the very least shoot a log bouy through first thing. At the end of the episode don't the Ferengi get sent back to the Alpha Quadrant and then apparently just never tell anyone about Voyager?
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Nov 21, 2020 09:47
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Huh, I guess I straight up memory-holed the end of that episode. It's a shame, because I particularly enjoyed False Profits as a break from blander episodes. I still wonder what camp the series could have achieved if the Sikarians had been recurring villains as originally intended. I do not enjoy boring seasons like this. It's most unsettling, not at all pleasurable.
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Powered Descent posted:Haven't seen the episode in forever but I could have sworn there was dialogue that said they could do exactly that, but then they'd be leaving the perfectly-functional array in Kazon hands. alexandriao posted:#2: All she had to do was beam a timed detonation photon torpedo within range of the station 2 seconds before the caretaker sent them home. It was a bunch of people going "but we could use it to go home!" with absolutely no chance to study the technology involved or with any knowledge of how the station works or anything. Even *IF* they could use the station to go home, it wasn't something they could just push a button to do. They would have had to study it and do some bullshit engineering stuff with. The caretaker died in front of Janeway. It wasn't available to send them home. You've invented something that didn't happen to make your edgelord fanfic work.
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The episode literally textually presents them with a choice of going home at the cost of leaving it in Kazon hands, that's the entire point of the ending.quote:CARETAKER: The self-destruct programme has been damaged. Now this installation will not be destroyed. But it must be. The Kazon must not be allowed to gain control of it. They will annihilate the Ocampa. People have been going 'can't you just use a time bomb?' since it aired. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Nov 21, 2020 |
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