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WhatEvil posted:One poster was also paid to infiltrate this thread of vile leftists. That was at the orders of big capital though, rather than any state entity. Which, y’know. Your choice of whether that’s better or worse.
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Camrath posted:That was at the orders of big capital though, rather than any state entity. Is there a meaningful difference at this point?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Is there a meaningful difference at this point? Valid. (Big Capital in this case being the RBS group)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:We do also have a poster here who's been, if not thrown in prison, put under considerable pressure by the UK police for posts. Wasn't that because of their twitter posts? Somebody FOIA the government to see if they have any budget item lines for "somethingawful.com account"
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I would like to read reports made for this thread. They just keep talking about crisps and Mike Gapes what are we even doing
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^^^ Didn't Tom Watson post a screenshot of one of our threads?Jakabite posted:Yeah I've heard some pretty wild interpretations of it. For a good few years I literally didn't post except to correct that story lol. Thankfully for all of you I'm now an active poster though Camrath posted:That was at the orders of big fudge though, rather than any state entity.
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Not So Fast posted:Not defending the CCP remotely, but the "social credit" system isn't quite as bad as Black Mirror - not yet anyway. How is a "credit score" not literally a "social credit" system? It's basically a measure of how good a conformist you are (much much more so in America than in the UK, it must be said).
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Disnesquick posted:How is a "credit score" not literally a "social credit" system? It's basically a measure of how good a conformist you are (much much more so in America than in the UK, it must be said). There’s a hint in the missing word. A credit score doesn’t care about social anything, it’s purely about your participation in capitalism.
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In the UK, unlike the US, credit scores are entirely made up numbers that banks and other lenders never see that are designed purely to sell you products to make the imaginary number go up. Looks like Starmer might be getting a monkey's paw wish rather than the whitewashed investigation he was after.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:^^^ Didn't Tom Watson post a screenshot of one of our threads? Essentially it was when the Olympic torch was passing through my little village, I commented on here about doing something to protest it. Someone suggested waterbombs and I replied something like 'haha yeah maybe'. Thought nothing of it then had plain clothes old bill turn up at my step mum's house. Went round, they gave me a stern talking to and actually mentioned the word terrorism at which I lolled, then said some poo poo about how they were also there to facilitate protest. I said no thanks. Then about a week later I get a call while I'm on a train from another police force, they ask where I am, meet me off the train and start the exact same spiel. I asked if they knew that the local force had already done this about a week ago. They looked confused, got back in their car and drove off. And that was that. At the time it was quite a big deal because I was about 16 (I'm on the younger end of the goon-scale, I know) and hadn't really interacted much with the police, but now I think back it's really quite funny. I'll never forget the looks on the the second pair's faces when they realised this had already happened once. There was real comic timing in how quickly they heel turned, jumped in the car and drove off. E: Amazing to see Starmer ensuring that the report that had pretty much been forgotten about by everyone but the left will now take up a ton of column inches and be a story for months and months. His incompetence is staggering. Like everyone knew he was an ideological poo poo but I really never expected him to be so inept as a political operator. Jakabite fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So if I ever get told off by the police I should just say no dont worry some other police already told me off and they'll just take my word for it and run away in embarrassment? I wouldn't count on it if you've committed actual crimes, to be honest.
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Soricidus posted:There’s a hint in the missing word. A credit score doesn’t care about social anything, it’s purely about your participation in capitalism. That was kinda my point really. The CCP have a "good communist" score and we have a "good capitalist" score.
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Not sure what to do with this but if anyone can advise and let the thread know I'm sure doing something with it would be good: https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/291/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/
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Disnesquick posted:That was kinda my point really. The CCP have a "good communist" score and we have a "good capitalist" score. that's just reduced to the point of absurdy though. A number private firms use about lending money to you is very different to a actively-state sponsored numerical activities.
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That's kind of my point about obfuscation and diffusion - 'a bunch of private firms' ... you can be denied housing, a phone etc for bad credit. Not trying to create a false equivalence with literal camps, but a credit score most definitely has a social impact.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:that's just reduced to the point of absurdy though. A number private firms use about lending money to you is very different to a actively-state sponsored numerical activities. I've mainly interacted with the US system and its used for a hell of a lot more than just lending money. E.g. USCIS will make decisions based on this score. Edit: Also I know for a fact that financial jobs in the UK will also look up your credit Active Quasar fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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Yeah, landlords in the US will demand to know your credit score before renting to you etc.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yeah, landlords in the US will demand to know your credit score before renting to you etc. Yeah that happens here too.
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Disnesquick posted:That was kinda my point really. The CCP have a "good communist" score and we have a "good capitalist" score. My credit score doesn't change if I jaywalk though.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:My credit score doesn't change if I jaywalk though. Jaywalking doesn't make you a bad capitalist.
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Some jobs won't hire you if your credit is bad. These are not even security-type positions, I've seen them on retail-store applications.
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Disnesquick posted:I've mainly interacted with the US system and its used for a hell of a lot more than just lending money. The one with the DBS is a Transunion identity check, not a credit check, like with the covid tests. I mean it's still sketchy as gently caress, but it's a different kind of sketchy. (Playing capitalists advocate as well - if I were employing someone handling cash I'd probably want to know whether or not they owed £20k to a company called "Big Sergei's Totally Legitimate Internet Gambling" before I gave them the keys to the unmarked nonsequential notes cupboard)
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Camrath posted:In ‘nearly named’ chat, I narrowly avoided being called ‘Rollo’, and while I hate my actual name and prefer to go by an initial, that would have been even worse. In fairness, its an excellent name for a confectioner. Or a king, if you're old enough to remember the cartoon. My Dad wanted to call me Arthur for reasons beyond comprehension. Fortunately, he was permanently pissed and forgot to register me.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yeah, landlords in the US will demand to know your credit score before renting to you etc. And yet somehow paying rent doesn't count towards it...
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Trickjaw posted:Fortunately, he was permanently pissed and forgot to register me. So... you haven't got a name?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The one with the DBS is a Transunion identity check, not a credit check, like with the covid tests. I mean it's still sketchy as gently caress, but it's a different kind of sketchy. I definitely got a credit check at the same time so maybe it was the charity itself running it. I'm not saying there aren't reasons behind these things I'm just pointing out that analogues exist over here too. The importance of credit scores is vastly higher in the US (as I originally mentioned) but the basic idea is there in the UK too. As an example, a US citizen family member got told earlier in the year that she needed to spend more on credit to get her score higher. She was recently told to spend less as spending too much (and repaying) had caused her score to drop. This isn't just a case of broad stroke "are you a risk", that is actually finessing someone's economic behaviour into a defined range of acceptability.
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I dunno if its true because theres always nonsense that you end up believing because it gets said enough, but its particularly gently caress you that the act of asking what your credit rating is makes it get worse. Thats definitely a very legit thing to have happen and inspires confidence in the fundamental honesty and credibility of the system that governs significant portions of our lives.
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reminder that credit card companies don't want you to repay them, they want you to wind up in unpayable debt so that they can milk an unlimited amount of interest out of you, while avoiding going bankrupt as long as possible. a credit score measures how likely you are to be a good cash cow, not how fiscally responsible you are
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Disnesquick posted:I definitely got a credit check at the same time so maybe it was the charity itself running it. Funnily enough the credit score is actually a British invention - Great Universal, who ran mail order catalogues, started using computers in the 60s to track who had paid what, then started to expand that to identity checks using the electoral roll (they actually compiled the very first digital electoral roll by manually copying in the paper copies held by individual councils, years before central government thought to do it) and then predictive algorithms to determine what spending limits to put on customers. Experian are the direct descendant of that early wonk going "Hmm" when looking at a fuckload of punchcards tracking 2 shillings a week repayments on a radiogram. And yeah, there's a lot of snake oil sold about getting that number up, in particular that idea that you have to spend as much as possible on credit and pay it off - that all of the credit ratings brokers also do affiliate marketing for credit products is, I'm sure, purely coincidental.
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Lungboy posted:In the UK, unlike the US, credit scores are entirely made up numbers that banks and other lenders never see that are designed purely to sell you products to make the imaginary number go up. Hell, yeah! https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1330240064895541253
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Trickjaw posted:In fairness, its an excellent name for a confectioner. Or a king, if you're old enough to remember the cartoon. My Dad wanted to call me Arthur for reasons beyond comprehension. Fortunately, he was permanently pissed and forgot to register me. See the name I ended up with is the name of a king, and having a certain song about said king sung at me throughout my entire childhood only ended up making me hate what I ended up as. And yes, I remember King Rollo. It’s one of the many things in my childhood that my mother set against and decided to ban arbitrarily, which meant that four years old me sought it out whenever I could.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I dunno if its true because theres always nonsense that you end up believing because it gets said enough, but its particularly gently caress you that the act of asking what your credit rating is makes it get worse. Thats definitely a very legit thing to have happen and inspires confidence in the fundamental honesty and credibility of the system that governs significant portions of our lives. As always with bullshit there's a kernel of truth. A "hard check" - that is, a request for your entire credit history, as happens when you apply for a loan or credit card - won't effect your ratings. Dozens of them at once, suggesting you're suddenly looking to open a *lot* of lines of credit, will though. Again though the credit raters like to talk this up by saying "Well if you sign up with us you can inquire about dozens of credit cards all at once without affecting your credit rating!" when the only check they do is a soft check, exactly what happens if you inquire to the credit card companies directly. (Beat them at their own game by signing up for Credit Karma, checking the deals through them, then going to the one you want directly. It's not a *bad* idea to have an account with one of the free rating companies just in case someone manages you get hold of your data and tries to steal your identity, and the raters all have all your info anyway so it doesn't actually make the situation any worse at least)
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Camrath posted:See the name I ended up with is the name of a king, Cnut.
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Cole. Or Wenceslas. That would be cool.
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