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But then we wouldn't have gotten in wolfman comics.
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Endless Mike posted:Uh, apparently loosening the Comics Code brought us communist SJW comics is the new talking about, I guess? Pretty sure every single book put out by gaters would've been banned under the CCA. They're all huge tits and ultraviolence.
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https://twitter.com/evandorkin/status/1326272335830265857?s=20 It seems that when Marvel gets the rights to publish something they bought from Dark Horse, it doesn't have to pay any royalties that were originally contracted. What's stopping any company from creating a new company for reprints and transferring rights to get around contracts, then?
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Uthor posted:https://twitter.com/evandorkin/status/1326272335830265857?s=20
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Licensed comics are a weird shell game because those Predator comics were published by Dark Horse via agreement with Fox (or now Disney). Those licensing deals generally mean that after the license expires, the content reverts back to the IP owner. This is how Marvel made a bunch of Star Wars comics that were ultimately owned by Lucasfilm, who then granted the reprint rights to Dark Horse. Dark Horse published more Star Wars comics (both reprints and new material) that were all owned by Lucasfilm. Then Disney bought Lucasfilm and pulled the license from Dark Horse and gave it back to their other acquisition, Marvel Comics. Those are three separate licensing agreements where [Publisher] and [IP owner] hash out their deal, and then the publisher is left to handle the contracts with the individual creators, and they don't carry over when the publisher changes. So in this sense the contract that Dark Horse had with Evan Dorkin (or anyone working on licensed comics) is only applicable to Dark Horse publishing those comics, Fox/Disney never consented to royalties or anything so when they took their IP back and moved it in-house, they're not obligated to follow Dark Horse's contracts. My understanding is that this would have to be more firmly scrutinized if AT&T were to just go "oh we have a new Sandman Books LLC company that we sold all the Sandman rights to, now Neil Gaiman gets jack poo poo from reprints!" Because at least in principle, the contracts that give AT&T ownership of Sandman are the same contracts that say they have to give Neil Gaiman royalties, because the publisher and the IP owner are one and the same. I'm not saying they couldn't get away with it, because they are a giant corporation. But it would be harder.
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Looks like Dorkin isn't the only victim. This is a prose writer, but still basically the same situation. Disney is doing things. https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1329240243866791936?s=20
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Edit: ^^^^ That's what I get for sitting on this post for a couple minutes. Jeeeeez Disney is now trying to claim that when they bought Lucasarts and Fox, they actually didn't buy those companies, they just acquired the assets of the company and the liabilities (like signed contracts for royalty payouts) are now void. https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1329240238816858120 There also seems to be a terrifying new trend going through corporate biglaw where they demand NDAs to even meet with someone to consider negotiations.
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Nov 19, 2020 15:08
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From this I learned that Alan Dean Foster has cancer. 
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A nice reminder to not support Disney, I guess
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McCloud posted:A nice reminder to not support Disney, I guess As if I needed another one.
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This got linked in the chat, holy lol people actually thought this was cute and amusing and should be in a public docu about marvel and not that everything about this is horrifying (thread) https://twitter.com/Matt_Sibley/status/1330172627529457664?s=19
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I mean by the standards of this thread, not meeting deadlines is kind of "meh".
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I dunno, not doing the work until your editor has to hire on a second to write your script for you, and then not even bothering to plot the book for your script writer until 2 days before the script is due seems pretty lovely. But I guess unless your a fascist you can get away with a lot nowadays
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I was wondering why Gage was credited scripting on the last arc of Superior. Why the gently caress do they keep giving Slott all the highest profile books? At least when Greg Land gets major titles you know it's because you know the editors won't be standing around waiting for him to turn in pages.
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I mean the fact is the comic industry has let it get to this point- they've long been very tolerant of people missing deadlines so long as their name brings in sales, and they don't mind comics going months or years behind schedule to get there. The problem here seems to have been they actually wanted it to ship on schedule so they shouldn't have put someone who has chronic deadline issues on it. Sure it's on Slott, but after the Wolverine v. Hulk debacle there are pretty much no standards at the Big Two.
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He's not named by the thread author but did you not think that all that was also an indictment of breevort
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Maxwell Lord posted:I mean the fact is the comic industry has let it get to this point- they've long been very tolerant of people missing deadlines so long as their name brings in sales, and they don't mind comics going months or years behind schedule to get there. The problem here seems to have been they actually wanted it to ship on schedule so they shouldn't have put someone who has chronic deadline issues on it. I thought the issue with Wolverine vs Hulk was mostly just that writing the tv show LOST paid way the gently caress better than comics.
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I think it was up to Nu-52 relaunch when both DC and Marvel were having deadline issues and as long as the creative team attached to the project were "names" there wasn't much else to do. All Star Batman and Robin is a famous one, as is Millar's Ultimates, Planetary, Wolverine vs Hulk, all of Kevin Smith's Marvel output etc. With Nu-52 I think creative teams were patchworked and hacked apart to make sure comics came out in time to much detriment to the creative teams.
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Nov 21, 2020 22:32
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Wasn't New52 when we got one issue of a Wild Cats revamp by Morrison?
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muscles like this! posted:Wasn't New52 when we got one issue of a Wild Cats revamp by Morrison? That was 5 or 6 years prior.
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I know that under no circumstances do you "gotta hand it" to Rob Liefeld, but he did turn in Hawk & Dove on time every month from what I remember. Now sure, there were only 8 issues in total, but 3/4ths of a year's worth of on-time pencils is nothing to sneeze at.
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muscles like this! posted:Wasn't New52 when we got one issue of a Wild Cats revamp by Morrison? And either two or three of The Authority. Presumably he got caught up in taking a bunch of drugs and revolutionising the medium.
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The Grant Morrison stuff was from 2006, and was part of a big revamp of Wildstorm properties called "WORLDSTORM". It was announced fully at SDCC 2006 for a fall 2006 release and here's what was announced versus what came out: WildCATS by Grant Morrison and Jim Lee Only one issue came out. The Authority by Grant Morrison and Gene Ha Two issues came out by Morrison and Ha. In 2010 they published issues 3-12 with Keith Giffen working off of Morrison's remaining ten plot outlines and nine artists doing all or part of an issue. Gen 13 by Gail Simone and Talent Caldwell: Gail Simone lasted 13 issues, Talent Caldwell drew 4 1/2 of them. Stormwatch PHD by Christos Gage and Doug Mahnke: Christos Gage lasted 12 issues, Mahnke drew 1-4 and 6-7 Midnighter by Garth Ennis and Chris Sprouse: Garth Ennis wrote the first six issue arc, Sprouse drew issues 1-2, part of 3, and 5. Deathblow by Brian Azzarello and Carlos D'Anda: Azzarello and D'Anda finished all nine issues of this series. Wetworks by Mike Carey and Whilce Portacio: Carey lasted 9 issues, Portacio was gone by #7. The departures of several of the above listed writers came when DC decided to re-relaunch Wildstorm as WORLD'S END barely a year after WORLDSTORM. I can fully believe Morrison wandered off from the project, but given that from 2004-2008 (the first five years after he jumped back to DC from Marvel post-X-Men) you had Seaguy, WE3, Vimanarama, the entire Seven Soldiers series, All-Star Superman, his co-writing of 52, the first half of his Batman Run and the start of Final Crisis, I'm kind of willing to believe the two real holdups were: a) Jim Lee, who in the same timeframe managed to draw... the back half of For Tomorrow, an issue of WildCATS and ten issues All-Star Batman and Robin came out over the course of multiple years. b) DC almost immediately giving up of the big Wildstorm push, and probably deciding to just cut their losses and have creators focus on other stuff. You saw a similar thing happen not too long afterwards over at Marvel when they started giving up on the Ultimate line after in the re-relaunch they did post-Ultimatum relaunch that did not 'take': "Ultimate Comics The Ultimates" was announced as Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic, but within a year they pulled Ribic off to to Thor: God of Thunder and Hickman had been given the Avengers books proper and Sam Humphries stepped in to write the next several issues based on Hickman's notes. As for the New 52, their big gimmick was bragging about how all of their comics were actually going to come out on time, which generally led to a meat grinder of turnover. JordanKai is technically correct that Liefeld got through a whole arc, but the credits are kind of telling: #1 - Rob Liefeld (pencils and inks) #2 - Rob Liefeld (pencils and inks, additional inks by Adelso Corona) #3 - Rob Liefeld (penciils and inks, additional inks by Adelso Corona and Jacob Bear) #4 - Rob Liefeld (pencils and inks, additional inks by Adelso Corona) #5 - Rob Liefeld (pencils and inks, 'pencil assists' by Marat Mychaels, inks by Adelso Corona) #6 - Rob Liefeld (pencils and inks) #7 - Rob Liefeld (pencils, 'pencil assists' by Marat Mychaels, inks by Jacob Bear and Adelso Corona) #8 - Rob Liefeld (pencils, additional pencils by Marat Mychaels, inks by Jacob Bear and Aselso Corona) And then the series was canceled. By effectively employing his own in-house studio, he did get the cover credit for eight consecutive issues. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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Are those Deathblow and Wetworks books collected anywhere in print? Those are some interesting creator combos I'd be interested in.
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Endless Mike posted:Are those Deathblow and Wetworks books collected anywhere in print? Those are some interesting creator combos I'd be interested in. Hilariously (at least to me), the Carey/Portacio Wetworks revival was originally introduced in the epilogue issue of COUP D'ETAT, the first attempt by DC to shake up and revive the Wildstorm line in 2003, featuring the Authority taking over the world(?). Then the book just disappeared from the schedule and almost three years and a couple of revivals later, it actually got published.
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McCloud posted:A nice reminder to not support Disney, I guess Pretty soon it will be impossible not to support Disney.
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Alhazred posted:Pretty soon it will be impossible not to support Disney. Disney is trying to buy the DNA kit companies so they will literally own us eventually.
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Was that Gen13 series the one after the rather dreadful Chris Claremont one?
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The Chris Claremont/Ale Garza* Gen 13 was from 2002, during the (first) "Eye of the Storm" relaunch/revamping. * like a lot of Wildstorm artists, Garza managed to draw issues 1-2, half of 3, 5-7, part of 7, and 13. Other books launched in that initiative were Joe Casey's Wildcats 3.0, Point Blank (effectively Sleeper v0), Robbie Morrison and Dwayne Turner's the Authority (the first post-Ennis/Millar volume that everyone forgets, to be followed by many more), Stormwatch: Team Achilles (by Micah Ian "Stolen Valor" Wright), and the jaw-droppingly bad Automatic Kafka by Joe Casey and Ashley Wood. I may be forgetting a couple.
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Chapterhouse is a troubled Canadian publisher, 'best known' for Captain Canuck. https://twitter.com/hellocookie/status/1330590766364848129
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Squidster posted:Chapterhouse is a troubled Canadian publisher, 'best known' for Captain Canuck. Which publisher was it that owed an artist for one book and hired them for a second so they waited until the last day their art was due and sent over lovely xeroxed copies with big red "Xs" through every page and a note saying they'll send the actual pencils as soon as they get a check for the remaining balance wed on both books?
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Edge & Christian posted:Stormwatch: Team Achilles (by Micah Ian "Stolen Valor" Wright), Not that Wildstorm did themselves any favours by refusing to publish the final issue. Wright had already been paid for it, so all they achieved was loving over the readers.
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Skwirl posted:Which publisher was it that owed an artist for one book and hired them for a second so they waited until the last day their art was due and sent over lovely xeroxed copies with big red "Xs" through every page and a note saying they'll send the actual pencils as soon as they get a check for the remaining balance wed on both books? I have no idea but that story absolutely rules.
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JordanKai posted:I have no idea but that story absolutely rules. It's the kind of stunt that insures you won't get hired again, but then when you're not getting paid that's moot.
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https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/status/1330872928477589504?s=20 I guess it's hard for Disney to go after thin blue line chuds for using the Punisher logo in a super gross fashion when Disney's using it in an even grosser fashion.
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Putting Mickey ears on a punisher skull logo feels like something I’d see in Mad Magazine and not a real logo used by Disney services.
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Well it's campus security, so it's the guys who got rejected from the police academy
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I think unarmed theme park security guards doing mickey mouse punisher coins is more obviously a joke than militarised racist police putting them on their cars as they go in to terrorise black neighbourhoods.
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Fangz posted:I think unarmed theme park security guards doing mickey mouse punisher coins is more obviously a joke than militarised racist police putting them on their cars as they go in to terrorise black neighbourhoods. You've only seen the uniformed Disney guys. They have quite a few guys with guns running around, just look for the guys in suits in 110 degree weather who seem way too friendly.
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