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Actual the HK kids' crashing into the LegCo building and occupied it for one night with no plan once they got inside is what I would use to point out the HK 19 movement likely had Taiwan intelligence connection on top of the CIA connection. The CIA backed color revolution didn't occupied legislature buildings, unlike the DPP backed Sunflower movement. I also think it's stupid that Joshua Wong and co plea guilty, you are losing a lot of "moral high ground" and political capital. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/jessefelder/status/1330906054721490948
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Nov 23, 2020 18:45
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Blowing up the bitcoin racket would give us like an extra 15 years of preparation for global warming
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Nov 23, 2020 18:47
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lock em up imo
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Nov 23, 2020 18:49
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arizona's time is now
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Nov 23, 2020 18:49
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seriously ask yourself, do you want people like this just wandering around free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kGmCsJ5ZM
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Nov 23, 2020 18:57
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:seriously ask yourself, do you want people like this just wandering around free? well its kinda like with trump, the benefit is mostly in the number of landmines he steps on
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Nov 23, 2020 20:13
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Chomskyan posted:Gotta be honest, seems pretty bad to send some college kids to prison for organizing a protest they are traitors, op
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Nov 24, 2020 02:34
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Nov 24, 2020 11:56
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https://twitter.com/djpwertz/status/1330925457802489858 never thought id see another one of these silly authoritarian asians overreacting to the flu takes a full nine months after covid19 started destroying the entire world
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Nov 24, 2020 12:09
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About the issues in the price controls of the USSR and the reformers' goals, I think an ideological perspective is required. The system started out as designed to regulate consumption, because that was the task set for the market by socialist ideology. The market would reward people according to their work while both guaranteeing access to basic needs and directing them toward sustainable consumption. It was assumed that the productive sector would handle its imperfections through science and collaboration rather than price signals. The basic assumption is that consumers need price signals because they don't collaborate or submit to any collective discipline, while producers don't because they do. The ideological basis of Soviet market reforms was bourgeois economics: that an economy is most efficient when producers compete instead of collaborating, and utilize price signals instead of agreements to direct their decisions. Already by the 50's, there was a rising school of economics in the Soviet Union that claimed that what was making socialism stand above capitalism productively wasn't simply planning and collaboration, but the ability to preserve this ideal market where lots of small producers compete without the ability to consolidate into supposedly inefficient monopolies like in the West. When they looked at the inefficiencies of the planning model, their ideological perspective made them feel like "Hey, this must be because we're stifling the competition and sending it out of whack signals!" Once Stalin's side was out of favor and seemingly at fault for the serious ailments the country was suffering from, thinkers like them had a lot of pull. It should be obvious that reforms targeted at intensifying competition between enterprises had to pull the rug from under left-wing reformers that would have analysed and tackled the issues with their efforts to cooperate instead. The obsession with price signals made it impossible to finish decoupling the enterprises from the money system and plugging them into one that would have reduced reliance on personal initiative and advanced systematic collaboration. And without proletarian leadership to develop the kind of production system that had become objectively necessary, the bourgeoisie would lead its development in their place. Think of how planning within capitalist enterprises works: success is evaluated on a variety of consumer-oriented metrics, it's in vogue to make treat internal departments treat each other as consumers. Except their interaction isn't through exchange and price signalling, it's through planned tasks, a budget and statistics. No one within the machinery actually decides things based on price signals, they get personally rewarded based on metrics that are designed to incentivise them to make the machine itself work seamlessly. Even the actual bourgeoisie today are past the stage where petty bourgeois market society is desirable, and it shows any time a dumbass CEO somewhere decides to make their managers compete with each other. Today, in highly developed imperialism, production relations between equals (departments of the same company, workers of the same department) are non-market, and markets are there to impose unequal patronage (credit, rent, wages). Look at the difference between Gorbachev and Xi. Gorbachev thought that economic dynamism, nimble co-ops and so on in market competition all around the country would develop the economy, and thought ideological liberalization was a missing piece that held USSR back from realizing the ideal. He was an anti-capitalist (the same way as Jeremy Corbyn is anti-capitalist) working to re-realize a new kind of market economy, and his ideology was an unworkable petit bourgeois mishmash. Xi (and Deng) learned not to take that sort of nonsense seriously: he builds big bourgeoisie with gigantic monopoly capital by concentrating hard on one location at a time, and understands that liberal ideology is an unnecessary relic in the period of imperialism. He doesn't advance markets in opposition to a conception of bad restrictive planning, the advances them in order to facilitate state monopoly capitalist planning. Xi's markets exist to facilitate consolidation moreso than competition. And in the final instance, consolidation under the state. That's how he's able to claim that he's simultaneously advancing market control and state control. He's more bourgeois than the western bourgeoisie, who hold onto numerous ideological illusions about what they actually are, but he's also more socialist than old Soviet leadership and western leftists in the sense that he's consciously pushing capitalism to its objective limits instead of engaging in reactionary petit bourgeois fantasies. And the west is converging toward China at a rapid pace because liberalism is outdated and marxo-fascism is right. More evidence of that just keeps rolling in year by year. I think it's an accident of history that the western left is more sympathetic to China than the western right is. China's success implies the death of the western left as it is (as the liberal conscience of capital) and the rise of the hard right (to reject equality and embrace patronage). I legit believe that the more success China finds in relation to the west, the more success fascists are going to find in relation to leftists. And I don't mean there's anyone to go defeat in China to make it end or that any efforts to that end should be supported. I mean that here in the west, we're having a real socialism or barbarism moment.
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Nov 24, 2020 12:28
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i'm legit angry they're even acknowledging these clowns
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Nov 24, 2020 14:50
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comments on recent letter by some sweaty boomer in wraparound shades screaming about obama in his leased f150 press information office, communist party of the philippines
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Nov 24, 2020 14:52
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China tests millions after coronavirus flareups in 3 citiesquote:On Monday, the National Health Commission reported two new locally transmitted cases in Shanghai over the previous 24 hours, bringing the total to seven since Friday. China has recorded 86,442 cases overall and 4,634 deaths since the virus was first detected in the central Chinese city of Wuhan late last year. quote:In Tianjin, health workers have collected more than 2.2 million samples for testing from residents in the Binhai new district, after five locally transmitted cases were discovered there last week. So that's a total of 14 new cases... resulting in millions of tests, school shutdowns, mass quarantines of workers, and bans on public gatherings. This kind of mobilization over so few infections is literally unthinkable in the US and Europe. An interesting comment from the chief epidemiologist of the Chinese CDC: quote:Domestically, however, China has called its strategy “clear to zero” and has boasted of its success. The goal of the Chinese response is explicitly to reach zero cases. Not to reduce or limit the spread of the virus, but to completely eliminate it. Again, just impossible to imagine in the west right now
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Nov 24, 2020 17:22
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This kind of method can only work in a society if you can "make" everyone take the test. HK for example, Carrie Lam couldn't make everyone take the test, and couldn't stop the new wave of infection. I think you can probably do it in S Korea and Taiwan, probably not in Japan.
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Nov 24, 2020 19:00
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*squints* is the communist party of the philippines asking to 'push biden left' ?? whats the deal with them anyway, last i heard of them they'd declared eternal hatred with the PRC and were attacking chinese companies operating in the philippines
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Nov 24, 2020 19:05
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mila kunis posted:*squints* is the communist party of the philippines asking to 'push biden left' ?? They got paid. Or were promised rewards, but in any case someone made it worth their while. That's how this always works.
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Nov 24, 2020 19:57
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uncop posted:Already by the 50's, there was a rising school of economics in the Soviet Union that claimed that what was making socialism stand above capitalism productively wasn't simply planning and collaboration, but the ability to preserve this ideal market where lots of small producers compete without the ability to consolidate into supposedly inefficient monopolies like in the West. When they looked at the inefficiencies of the planning model, their ideological perspective made them feel like "Hey, this must be because we're stifling the competition and sending it out of whack signals!" I can't recall reformers in the 50s and 60s like Liberman advocating the "preservation" of a market of small producers. They took the existing system of large-scale industry and collective agriculture as a given. quote:It should be obvious that reforms targeted at intensifying competition between enterprises had to pull the rug from under left-wing reformers that would have analysed and tackled the issues with their efforts to cooperate instead. The obsession with price signals made it impossible to finish decoupling the enterprises from the money system and plugging them into one that would have reduced reliance on personal initiative and advanced systematic collaboration. And without proletarian leadership to develop the kind of production system that had become objectively necessary, the bourgeoisie would lead its development in their place. Of course, "expansion of the market" doesn't mean creating a Proudhonist utopia where everyone is petty-bourgeois, that's impossible and isn't in the interest of socialism or capitalism. Hence why China's market reforms look nothing like that, and also don't look like Gorby's naïve adventures in urban cooperatives and other social-democratic illusions. Enver Zogha has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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Nov 24, 2020 22:58
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uncop posted:Look at the difference between Gorbachev and Xi. Gorbachev thought that economic dynamism, nimble co-ops and so on in market competition all around the country would develop the economy, and thought ideological liberalization was a missing piece that held USSR back from realizing the ideal. He was an anti-capitalist (the same way as Jeremy Corbyn is anti-capitalist) working to re-realize a new kind of market economy, and his ideology was an unworkable petit bourgeois mishmash. Xi (and Deng) learned not to take that sort of nonsense seriously: he builds big bourgeoisie with gigantic monopoly capital by concentrating hard on one location at a time, and understands that liberal ideology is an unnecessary relic in the period of imperialism. He doesn't advance markets in opposition to a conception of bad restrictive planning, the advances them in order to facilitate state monopoly capitalist planning. Here's an article that posits Xi as a sort of anti-gorbachev. IE: a reformist who's trying to preserve china's status as a ml state by breaking with the west https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/09/25/chinas-gorbachev-do-your-best-xi-jinping-or-why-china-cant-be-normal-2/
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Nov 24, 2020 23:41
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm legit angry they're even acknowledging these clowns They might as well @ the cia
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Nov 24, 2020 23:43
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https://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1330698423935279105 incredible work from the geniuses at npr https://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1331219115256680450?s=20
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Nov 25, 2020 03:10
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mila kunis posted:*squints* is the communist party of the philippines asking to 'push biden left' ?? The CPC has disavowed ties with the CPP since at least 2011, which is rather to be expected if China wants to have normalized relations with other countries. The CPP does not hold the CPC in good regard, to say the least, considering its claiming of islands in the West Philippine Sea and its Belt-and-Road loans to the Duterte administration to be imperialist moves. Lastly, the CPP rather attacks a lot of places - cell sites, construction sites, landlords, etc. That does mean Chinese companies operating in the Philippines are going to fall within their realm of targets.
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Nov 25, 2020 03:34
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This reply to the CPP statement  https://twitter.com/AnarchistClass/status/1331381698416824320?s=20
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Nov 25, 2020 13:26
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So is China scaling back their SOEs or increasing them? I'm looking online and seem to be getting mixed information.
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Nov 25, 2020 22:46
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Chomskyan posted:Gotta be honest, seems pretty bad to send some college kids to prison for organizing a protest 
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Nov 26, 2020 04:49
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https://twitter.com/koreasociety/status/1331626698916442113quote:Moon Chung-in, special adviser to President Moon Jae-in for foreign affairs and national security, said he believes South Korea's role as a mediator could become bigger as the Biden administration draws up its diplomatic strategies, with Pyongyang having few channels to directly communicate with the new U.S. government. He said it would be easier for Pyongyang to talk to Seoul to connect with Washington. this is just getting sad south korean liberals twisting themselves into pretzels trying to figure out how a new american government thats more hostile to the idea of negotiating with north korea is actually going to make it easier to negotiate with north korea somehow
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Nov 26, 2020 05:05
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https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1331507921407062017
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Nov 26, 2020 05:07
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https://twitter.com/heyitssharla/status/1328344513484529665 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQp5trJVIJM
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Nov 26, 2020 05:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/heyitssharla/status/1328344513484529665 I'm rooting for them
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Nov 26, 2020 05:36
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/heyitssharla/status/1328344513484529665 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmN9LYOCZIY They're also up against the labour regulations boards right now.
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Nov 26, 2020 06:40
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stephenthinkpad posted:This kind of method can only work in a society if you can "make" everyone take the test. HK for example, Carrie Lam couldn't make everyone take the test, and couldn't stop the new wave of infection. liberalism is the disease
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Nov 26, 2020 07:55
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Varinn posted:https://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1330698423935279105 lol
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Nov 26, 2020 13:56
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Chomskyan posted:Gotta be honest, seems pretty bad to send some college kids to prison for organizing a protest ACAB (unless they're socialists then it's fine)
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Nov 26, 2020 14:06
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i also like the "theyre removing the domes from all the mosques. heres a before and after picture from one of them as evidence. but they ran out of money so on this one they didnt actually remove the domes"
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Nov 26, 2020 14:23
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so the chinese half rear end their islamophobia if it costs too much money bet theres a lot of muslims who wish we were like that
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Nov 26, 2020 14:39
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south korea seems pretty hosed up. fuckin lava jatos everywhere https://www.blueroofpolitics.com/p/breaking-news-alert/ The simmering tension between South Korea’s two leading law enforcement officials boiled over on November 24, when Justice Minister Choo Mi-ae 추미애 법무부장관 suspended the Supreme Prosecutor Yun Seok-yeol 윤석열 검찰총장, the first such suspension in South Korean history. Breaking News Analysis: Ministry of Justice Suspends the Supreme Prosecutor This is the first time in South Korean history that the Justice Minister suspended the Supreme Prosecutor from duty. Go to the profile of TK Published 24 November 2020 6 min read By TK Breaking News Analysis: Ministry of Justice Suspends the Supreme Prosecutor The simmering tension between South Korea’s two leading law enforcement officials boiled over on November 24, when Justice Minister Choo Mi-ae 추미애 법무부장관 suspended the Supreme Prosecutor Yun Seok-yeol 윤석열 검찰총장, the first such suspension in South Korean history. Based on available news, below is what happened, how the South Korean government and politicians are reacting, and what will happen next in the ongoing saga between the Justice Minister and the Supreme Prosecutor. WHAT HAPPENED? Justice Minister Choo Mi-ae exercised her authority to suspend the Supreme Prosecutor Yun Seok-yeol, citing six allegations: (1) inappropriate meeting with Hong Seok-hyeon 홍석현, owner of JoongAng Ilbo 중앙일보, a major conservative newspaper; (2) illegal surveillance of the judges assigned for major cases; (3) obstruction of internal investigation against his closest subordinates; (4) strategically leaking information on pending investigations to the press; (5) obstruction of internal investigation against himself, and; (6) failure to maintain political neutrality. Among the six allegations, the newest and arguably the most serious allegation is the illegal surveillance of judges. The Supreme Prosecutor’s Office disputed that it spied on the judges, claiming it only reviewed the judges’ previous rulings to assist the prosecution. The Justice Ministry’s allegations, however, cover much more than legal research. The research on the judges was conducted not out of the Public Prosecutor’s Office 검찰청’s Bureau of Trials 공판부, which is in charge of running courtroom litigation, but out of Bureau of Anti-Corruption 반부패부, the division in charge of investigating public officials. The information collected on the judges was not limited to past cases, but included family history, hobbies, involvement in civic groups, etc. In particular, Yun made use of the blacklist of judges previously compiled by Yang Seung-tae 양승태, former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court 대법원장 to identify hostile judges and push for their recusal Prosecutorial reform was one of the top agenda items for President Moon Jae-in 문재인, as the Public Prosecutor’s Office 검찰청 has come under severe criticism of abusing its broad authority to conduct investigations and bring charges by selectively choosing its targets. Choo Mi-ae 추미애, a liberal heavyweight, was appointed as the Justice Minister in late 2019 after the previous Minister Cho Kuk 조국 resigned following a tsumani of raids and indictments from the PPO against Cho’s family, for such minor crimes as Cho’s wife allegedly forging a service certificate for her daughter’s college admission
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Nov 26, 2020 17:17
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watching some jolin tsai videos and i think i spotted r. guyovich. he gets fucken wrecked too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWx-vtCSg0w&t=232s
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Nov 26, 2020 18:27
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im not that informed about south korea outside of its professional starcraft scene but i understand for all the hype about its democracy its got incredible interference in its politics by its own military/intelligence agencies, chaebols and a right wing establishment. anyone got a good rundown on the country
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Nov 26, 2020 18:43
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Some Guy TT posted:so the chinese half rear end their islamophobia if it costs too much money China literally has concentration camps for their Muslims that put America's treatment of Muslims to shame and is a wetdream to ICE workers.
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