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jivjov posted:Subversion of audience expectations is not "for the director's sake". That's just how drama works. And it's not like Star Wars has never done the unexpected before. Look at the darling film Empire Strikes Back--the great Jedi master Luke seeks out turns out to be a Muppet. As in Jim Henson himself consulted on construction of that puppet. Finn regressed as a character. Luke being a teacher who was burned out was not some shocking twist, it was obvious when he ran away. For that matter, if he had cut himself off from the force because now when he touched it he was drawn to the dark and he was worried he would fall to the dark side would have been more compelling reason for him to be hiding to die then him just being bitter that he failed his nephew. And you’re mom joke in Star Wars (as well as god speed) was tone wise far worse sins than “they can fly now?! They can fly now!”
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Alan Smithee posted:Bill Burr talked poo poo about Star Wars and wound up in one Disney has already secretly turned the Moon into a Death Star. They're just waiting on the mouse ears to be fabricated in the Asteroid Belt. My own goofy-fanfic head-canon about Thrawn is that during the time between RotJ and TFA he took over the Imperial Remnent and organized a peace treaty merger with the New Republic. Hardline peaceniks in a couple of system seceded from the newly formed Galactic Union, as did the equally hardline Imperials who formed the First Order. Thrawn was fine with letting both extremists going given that they'd likely kill each and he wanted the GU to be ready for dealing with other dangers. Still, once Palpatine revealed himself, Thrawn took a trip into New Republic/First Order space to organize the fleet at the end, making sure to let Lando be the face of it. With Palpatine hopefully gone for good he's back in the GU fighting a much less crappy version of the Vong and other stuff that requires grownups to handle. Also, Ezra Bridger's Force Academy is doing fine because he employs psychological testing to screen for psychopathic tendencies before accepting a student for training.
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Nov 27, 2020 19:41
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Reik posted:After Elsbeth knocks away one of Ahsoka's lightsabers, Ahsoka switches to her reverse grip Shien style and ends the duel in the next exchange, which leads me to believe Ahsoka wasn't taking it serious at the beginning. Yeah. She just got done defeating her army. There are a million things she could have done. Used the force to pull the staff from her hands, or pushed her down, sliced her fingers off. And so on. I think she just wanted to give an honorable duel and defeat her without injury so she could interrogate her. If Ahsoka wanted to kill Elsbeth, it wouldn't have been much of a fight for a trained, experienced and powerful jedi.
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Nov 27, 2020 19:42
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LionArcher posted:It still amazes me that everyone shits on JJ when it’s clearly board executives made it hell for him and other director creators in terms of timelines. Clearly JJ wanted Finn and Ray as a couple maybe, and because China or whatever that idea got scrapped. I’m not saying ROS is some masterpiece, but considering the behind the scenes bullshit I’m actually amazed the movie works as well as it does. And yes, last Jedi had some cool ideas but Johnson took the set up’s from FA and sort of threw them away because he thought the fandom needed to eat some broccoli, with very mixed results. He also treated Finn like garbage. It’s also the only Star Wars movie without a proper light saber duel. I blame bob igar
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Nov 27, 2020 19:50
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I also blame JJ because I’m mad at him for loving with my favorite movie with his dumb ideas
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Nov 27, 2020 19:51
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Kanine posted:If im looking at the right one, I'm actually not super happy with it so I ended up making some changes lol Nooooooooooo bring back the wire stock!!!! (but I still like that one)
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Nov 27, 2020 19:52
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zoux posted:I figured we'd get to Ahsoka in the third act after another long quest, but nope! Here she is right now, doing cool stuff. Yeah, they didn't play coy at all. She just start off with her being a murderous forest ghost on a bunch of guys. poo poo owns.
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Nov 27, 2020 19:53
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CelticPredator posted:I blame bob igar This feels justified.
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Nov 27, 2020 19:54
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So is Thrawn in the show now, or was that just a shoutout to the nerds who watch children's cartoons?
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Nov 27, 2020 20:02
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Kaedric posted:The show is so western/samurai flick that they even had Ahsoka do the Toshiro Mifune 'tuck your arms inside your robe' iconic thing. I know it wouldn’t have fit the episode’s tone at all, but I’d have killed to hear Göransson toss a few bars of the big funky Yojimbo theme into the soundtrack.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:03
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FogHelmut posted:So is Thrawn in the show now, or was that just a shoutout to the nerds who watch children's cartoons? Maybe? The season could easily end on a 'Oh poo poo here's Thrawn" cliffhanger.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:03
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FogHelmut posted:So is Thrawn in the show now, or was that just a shoutout to the nerds who watch children's cartoons? Also to nerds who read books in the 90s
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Nov 27, 2020 20:06
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Was the magistrate in an episode of clone wars? Or was it just an off camera type mention?
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Nov 27, 2020 20:07
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LionArcher posted:This feels justified. Honestly hearing that he rushed TFA explains everything. Rushing TFA rushes TLJ which rushes DOTF, which causes fights which fires Colin which leads into....rushed ROS
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Nov 27, 2020 20:11
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I like how that one dude has an arc that's just kind of understated and off to the side and not made a big deal of from "beaten down old man" to "selflessly helping the vibrocrucified folks when he sees a break to do so" to "oh poo poo he's the respected old mayor and they're giving him his old job back."
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Kingtheninja posted:Was the magistrate in an episode of clone wars? Or was it just an off camera type mention? Short answer no
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Nov 27, 2020 20:12
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Its Rinaldo posted:Yeah, they didn't play coy at all. She just start off with her being a murderous forest ghost on a bunch of guys. poo poo owns. The lack of build up to her reveal straight up caught me off guard. I legit yelled something to the effect of "oh my holy gently caress" or something once I saw those white sabers come into frame and continued yelling expletives through that entire opening.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:14
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CelticPredator posted:Honestly hearing that he rushed TFA explains everything. Rushing TFA rushes TLJ which rushes DOTF, which causes fights which fires Colin which leads into....rushed ROS The craziest thing about 9 is they didn't decide Palpatine was going to be the big villain of the trilogy until after they'd made two movies and fired the first director for the third. Something like who the villain is in a three part trilogy that's going to cost around a billion dollars to make should be decided before the cameras are rolling for the first movie.
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I know what they wanted to go for, each director makes their own thing and there’s a larger story, but there was a pretty logical through line with kylo ren. It really seemed like a perfect progression to make him the main villain but that’s too intense or whatever. We can’t teach kids that some people are too far gone, not in this wonderful world we live in lmao.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:17
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CelticPredator posted:I know what they wanted to go for, each director makes their own thing and there’s a larger story, but there was a pretty logical through line with kylo ren. TROS committed many sins, but going from Kylo ascending to the throne at the end of TLJ to just having another master at the start of TROS is some loving bullshit. Terrio basically completely undid any growth Kylo achieved in TLJ and just reset him to the angry hooded action figure he was in TFA.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:20
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CelticPredator posted:I know what they wanted to go for, each director makes their own thing and there’s a larger story, but there was a pretty logical through line with kylo ren. Palpatine redemption when I honestly haven't watched this series yet, and I had been looking around before starting to watch it because usually if a series is bad there are some hate-watching posts
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Nov 27, 2020 20:20
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galenanorth posted:Palpatine redemption when There's one episode I would class as mediocre television but so far this is easily the best Star War in some time
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Nov 27, 2020 20:24
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There’s some hate around it. Some people just hate Star Wars and that’s fine. Others find it kind of boring.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:27
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LionArcher posted:Finn regressed as a character. How? How is continuing directly on from where TFA left him and having him learn and grow for 2.5 hours in any way a regression?
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Nov 27, 2020 20:29
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I think his character regressed in TFA. He was never going to be a Jedi nor ever weld a lightsaber again. Such a tease. Fuckin janitor are you out of your mind mate
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Nov 27, 2020 20:30
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In an episode full of great shots, I think this one got me the most.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:32
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Everyone posted:
Yeah, that part was oddly flirty. I wouldn't mind if they had a thing later on; being a Disney show doesn't mean the leads have to be chaste heroes anyway.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:33
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CelticPredator posted:I think his character regressed in TFA. He was never going to be a Jedi nor ever weld a lightsaber again. Yeah, everything TLJ does with Finn grows directly out of where TFA left him. He grew from "deserter who wanted to run and hide" to "I want to protect my new friend Rey", and that's where TFA ends! I keep seeing people complain that TLJ supposedly made him redo what he learned in TFA...when that is demonstrably false.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:35
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galenanorth posted:Palpatine redemption when LOL didn't they try to do a throughline in the old EU where actually Sheev was aware of the extra-galactic looming threat of the Yhuzon Vong and was playing the long game preparing and helping in a utilitarian sense whip the galaxy into shape; honing them to be ready to fight constant Star Wars? Was I the only one who caught that the Asohka shot watching the crest leave with the engine light playing off her face felt like an echo of Luke leaving Dagobah for Bespin, only full of hope and joy instead of concern? Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Well, I guess the DarkTrooper project has a potential new blood source now, since they've been tracking the Razor Crest.
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Madurai posted:Well, I guess the DarkTrooper project has a potential new blood source now, since they've been tracking the Razor Crest. I pity the poor motherfucker tasked with trying to retrieve it.
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Madurai posted:Well, I guess the DarkTrooper project has a potential new blood source now, since they've been tracking the Razor Crest. Oh poo poo Giancarlo is going to track Din to the Jedi planet.
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It kinda annoys me that she refers to him with his title. It feels that Ahsoka wouldn't respect him enough to use it.
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jivjov posted:Yeah, everything TLJ does with Finn grows directly out of where TFA left him. He grew from "deserter who wanted to run and hide" to "I want to protect my new friend Rey", and that's where TFA ends! I keep seeing people complain that TLJ supposedly made him redo what he learned in TFA...when that is demonstrably false. Except what he does is practically identical to running away and his side adventure achieves absolutely nothing. Finn's actual arc in TLJ is starting with 'I will do anything to help my friends' and ends with him being thwarted by Rose from achieving anything meaningful in the film and realising 'gently caress it maybe actually instead of fighting we should all just run away'. If anything he ends up technically reverted all the way back to when we first meet him.
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Phylodox posted:For anyone who watches Dimension 20, my wife pointed out: Yeah, I started calling him Gorgug almost immediatly, so much so that I forgot his name is Grogu not Gorgu.
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jivjov posted:How? How is continuing directly on from where TFA left him and having him learn and grow for 2.5 hours in any way a regression? He ended TFA not running but standing down a powerful and terrifying wizard to protect his friend/crush. He wakes up next movie wants to find his friend and when that doesn’t seem possible instantly goes back to running. TLJ ends the second time with him making a stupid suicide play that is in fact dumber than him trying to face off against KR, and is only stopped by the new character slamming into him in a play that looked like it should have killed both of them. He is rewarded by this by having a character who is not the person he bonded with the entire first movie confess her love for him, because the Chinese market/America share holders are racist and having Finn paired with Ray might hurt the bottom line (it wouldn’t but you know) In ROS because Shareholders/racism he’s paired with a third woman (because Rose was treated dirty by exes and racists) with a potentially interesting plot than was cut underused. JB has talked about it a little, and he’s clearly pissed about the whole thing and makes a point to say JJ wanted to do more with him but behind the scenes poo poo was wack. He does not bring up RJ. Same thing with the force ghosts at the end. Rumors they shot footage with the voices but it got scrapped because China hates ghosts sounds exactly like bs Disney would pull. Back to mando. Great episode and I want to watch it again tonight and I need the soundtrack to it and all of clone wars rebels like right now. LionArcher fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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CelticPredator posted:I think his character regressed in TFA. He was never going to be a Jedi nor ever weld a lightsaber again. Stormtrooper janitor that becomes a radical revolutionary who spearheads THE stormtrooper uprising would have been cool as hell and a good alternative to Jedi Finn. TLJ laid the foundation for that. Just listen to Finn in TLJ's third act where he inspires the remaining resistance members — that character just straight up disappears in TROS and is replaced with...?
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FogHelmut posted:So is Thrawn in the show now, or was that just a shoutout to the nerds who watch children's cartoons? If the rumors are true Thrawn will probably not be in this show, and this shout out is kind of a drop for an upcoming show. Spoilers for a RUMORED animated series that may or may not be coming next year: There is a possible Rebels sequel animated series in the works that follows Ezra and Thrawn after they space whale hyperspaced into the unknown regions. Part of the plot would be Ahsoka and Sabine hunting for them, while Ezra and Thrawn deal with their predicament. It sounds really badass so I hope its true. Rebels was firing on all cylinders by the end of the show and a continuation where the little kid main character is already grown up a bit and no longer awkward should cut out a lot of the growing pains a new animated SW series usually has. LionArcher posted:He ended TFA not running but standing down a powerful and terrifying wizard to protect his friend/crush. He wakes up next movie wants to find his friend and when that doesn’t seem possible instantly goes back to running. TLJ ends the second time with him making a stupid suicide play that is in fact dumber than him trying to face off against KR, and is only stopped by the new character slamming into him in a play that looked like it should have killed both of them. Gotta disagree bud, Finn's journey in TLJ is about moving from beyond just fighting for his friends to fighting the First Order itself because the state of the galaxy sucks. Thats why he goes from being a resistance pretender to proud Rebel Scum. Rose stopping him from suiciding is more about reigning in his blood lust and living to fight another day, its not Finn's main arc in the movie. He should have come out of TLJ into the next movie as a full fledged resistance general, someone organizing stormtrooper rebellions and leading armies / being a bamf, its what they set him up for!!! Jerkface fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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On watching again, man you can tell immediately when the Magistrate realizes she lost the fight and it's when Ahsoka switches forms and starts to take things seriously.
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Also, just want to appreciate Ahsoka's theme. One of the best themes of the franchise, natch.
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