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Thought you map nerds would appreciate my latest interior design acquisition, an old french school map I date roughly to the 60s, owing to Oriental Pakistan and to the United Arab Republic (RAU in french)  
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Chikimiki posted:Thought you map nerds would appreciate my latest interior design acquisition, an old french school map I date roughly to the 60s, owing to Oriental Pakistan and to the United Arab Republic (RAU in french) 
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Nov 29, 2020 16:52
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Chikimiki posted:Thought you map nerds would appreciate my latest interior design acquisition, an old french school map I date roughly to the 60s, owing to Oriental Pakistan and to the United Arab Republic (RAU in french) It also labels Xinjiang as "Sin-kiang (Chinese Turkestan)".
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Nov 29, 2020 16:57
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People knew how to have fun back in the day  Also note that a lot of the spellings are obsolete, like Chang-Haï instead of Shanghai for instance.
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Nov 29, 2020 16:57
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Aleppo is probably the oldest continuously built and rebuilt city in the Mediterranean (or maybe Byblos or Jerusalem)
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Nov 29, 2020 17:05
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Sampatrick posted:Aleppo is probably the oldest continuously built and rebuilt city in the Mediterranean (or maybe Byblos or Jerusalem) I think it’s Damascus
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Nov 29, 2020 17:10
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Hate to be that guy, but again this comes down to how you define a "city" and "continuously settled." There are a lot of contenders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities
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Nov 29, 2020 17:24
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The old city of Jerusalem appears quite old. It isnt fully classical in the Roman sense, but it is still old. it is amazing to walk through the old city and see all those landmarks youve heard about all your life in such close proximity.
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Nov 29, 2020 17:25
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I think it’s Damascus Byblos is older than Damascus
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Nov 29, 2020 17:38
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Chikimiki posted:Thought you map nerds would appreciate my latest interior design acquisition, an old french school map I date roughly to the 60s, owing to Oriental Pakistan and to the United Arab Republic (RAU in french) Political map of Asia... includes France.
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Nov 29, 2020 18:32
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OddObserver posted:Political map of Asia... includes France. I mean with that projection its hard not to and it is probably one of the better ones to show Asia in detail
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Nov 29, 2020 18:42
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Europe begins at the Pyrénées
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Nov 29, 2020 18:44
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OddObserver posted:Political map of Asia... includes France.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:08
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I demand high res for avatar purposes.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:27
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MeinPanzer posted:This kind of gets back to the "oldest X in Y country" debate, but however you take things Constantinople isn't really exceptional in this regard for a large Mediterranean city and I think you're greatly underestimating how much Byzantion/Constantinople was constantly rebuilt through history. In this regard, Rome is just as "classical (keep in mind that tons of structures in Rome have ancient foundations). Yeah, those pesky humans who live in a place keep knocking down crappy old buildings before they become old enough to be really special, and building new things on the sites.
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Nov 29, 2020 19:56
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The Library of Constantinople was the last of the great ancient libraries, though. For as much as Alexandria gets the fame, Constantine actually moved a lot of its stock to his new capital city before it was destroyed. Then the slobbering barbarians burned it in 1204.
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Grand Fromage posted:For complete preservation, 1204. The Venetians were the first to truly ransack the city, loot all the great treasures, burn down whole sections. 800 years is a while ago but still, that's a hell of a lot longer than anywhere else made it. In 1453 it was already by far the longest surviving classical city. I don't know enough about the Ottoman era but my understanding is that they didn't change the city a ton, I know Mehmed II didn't allow mass destruction. Churches became mosques, new mosques and a new palace built, but otherwise not all that different until well into the 1800s when it was "modernized". The sultan lamented how much had to be rebuilt when he took it over. The Roman state didn't have enough money or people to maintain alot of their monuments, especially the palace which was abandoned instead of repaired. Constantinople was a depopulated wreck by the time it got conquered. And alot of structures never got fully renovated after the end of the Iconclasm, so there are fewer mosaics and other decorations than might be expected. If you ever do come, drop me a message, I'll make sure you get a proper guide instead of one of the half dozen varieties of bitter nationalists that hang around major sites to give their sides myths and slanders. Also the actual good restaurants/bars (basically none in the Old City).
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Nov 29, 2020 23:31
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I know that it was impressive that Constantinople maintained itself as the same state for so long, but I can't help but think that it was probably better for people under its dominion after the city finally fell and a new regime got established. An invincible city is great if you can afford city living, but not so much if you're living in the territory where the next round of invaders are coming through. In a very real way, the city fell to its own aristocracy maneuvering for power, both because the fourth crusade was directed by a claimant to the throne and because the crusades themselves were the result of a ploy by the greek orthodox to get the catholics to help reclaim territory that they lost in the last round of conquests (one of the prominent crusaders even having come from a family who pushed the Byzantines out of Italy for good, that's a lot of wheeling and dealing). Byzantine posted:The Library of Constantinople was the last of the great ancient libraries, though. For as much as Alexandria gets the fame, Constantine actually moved a lot of its stock to his new capital city before it was destroyed. It's not an ancient library if it lasts long past the ancient era.
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Nov 30, 2020 03:28
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's not an ancient library if it lasts long past the ancient era. I mean, it burnt down in the 5th century. Then was probably rebuilt and probably destroyed in the 4th crusade. Then it was destroyed again by the Ottomans. So it's not like the Imperial library was one building that existed intact.
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Nov 30, 2020 03:50
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People love the idea of an ancient place that's never been altered by anything other than weather and erosion. That's the main draw of Stonehenge. And Stonehenge is bullshit because they literally "reconstructed" it last century.
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Nov 30, 2020 03:57
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:People love the idea of an ancient place that's never been altered by anything other than weather and erosion. That's the main draw of Stonehenge. And Stonehenge is bullshit because they literally "reconstructed" it last century. hey dont fetish shame
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Nov 30, 2020 05:31
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 something tells me the ottomans thought crimea was sorta neat
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Nov 30, 2020 10:41
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So much so that if the Ottomans died out the Khans of Krim took over. Although that was mostly the Ottomans deep institutional loathing of Turks.
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Nov 30, 2020 11:43
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I find funny that the USA citizens refer to their country has "America". It would be like germans refering to themselves as "Europe". Anyway, if USA=america, then the people living on the south of USA are south-americans.. 
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Nov 30, 2020 13:17
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Tei posted:I find funny that the USA citizens refer to their country has "America". Inhabitants of the Federal Republic of Germany are called germans Inhabitants of the United States of America are called...
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Nov 30, 2020 15:02
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Tei posted:I find funny that the USA citizens refer to their country has "America". It's because their country is called United States of America. Did you ever wonder what "USA" stands for? Well now you know! Similarly, we call people from the Republic of South Africa "South Africans" even though, technically, a person from Botswana is also a South African. It's all pretty straight forward and easy to understand.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:04
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Inhabitants of the Federal Republic of Germany are called germans US American.  That's a silly comparison though.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:32
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unitedstatesperson unitedstatian
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Nov 30, 2020 15:37
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naming your country with colonialist ambitions has unfortunate implications, news at 11.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:39
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cebrail posted:It's because their country is called United States of America. Did you ever wonder what "USA" stands for? Well now you know! Going by your example they should be called “U.S. Americans” to avoid being confused with the continent. That’s a little unwieldy though, we should go with “yank” or “gringo”.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:42
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The continents are referred to as North America, South America, or just The Americas, and the denonynms for the first two do not get confused with the US (although “North America” is also ambiguous for terrible reasons as well). You have a similar problem with other countries with similar naming issues. The adjective and demonym for the Central African Republic is “Central African” in English, despite the ambiguity.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:49
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And both are the result of Europeans showing up somewhere and drawing a bunch of lines.
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Nov 30, 2020 15:54
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DuckHuntDog posted:The continents are referred to as North America, South America, or just The Americas, and the denonynms for the first two do not get confused with the US (although “North America” is also ambiguous for terrible reasons as well). Old article but still applies, it’s definitely confusing in Latin America: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/06/what-does-american-actually-mean/276999/
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Nov 30, 2020 15:56
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Words can have specific and general meanings at the same time. Or do you think everyone who says they're gay is a male homosexual.
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DuckHuntDog posted:The continents are referred to as North America, South America, or just The Americas, and the denonynms for the first two do not get confused with the US (although “North America” is also ambiguous for terrible reasons as well). It being 2 continents is an english-speaking convention. Its one continent in Spanish language and French language cultures iirc. The real reason is just dibs. First to revolt got America, second to revolt got Colombia, everyone else has to name themselves something weird like Little Venice because theres a lot of houses built on the water or Silver place because of silver's mined here but in latin to make it fancy or Equator because we're really close to the equator  . Should've overthrew Spanish tyranny faster Bolivarailures 
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Some suggestions for how to fix this problem. Ideas for alternative demonyms for people from the USA: North Central American Non-Latin American (may be confusing with Suriname and Belize) Americxn United American Vespuccian When you think about it it's pretty weird that everything here got named after Amerigo's given name rather than his surname.
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Nov 30, 2020 16:12
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South Canada and North Canada (with an eventual reunification of our peoples of course
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Nov 30, 2020 16:14
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I've always thought that the United States of America was the Central African Republic of the Americas, such an incredibly generic name. And their main political parties are called the Democrats and the Republicans? Jesus Christ. Why not the Federalists, too. However, they make up for it by using various measurement units that no one else uses.
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Nov 30, 2020 16:23
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Phlegmish posted:I've always thought that the United States of America was the Central African Republic of the Americas, such an incredibly generic name. And their main political parties are called the Democrats and the Republicans? Jesus Christ. Why not the Federalists, too. Don't you disrespect my empire like that. I'll have you know that for every great city in Europe we have an even better one in the US. Where would you rather go; Paris, France or Paris, Texas. Put your cowboy hat on and stop lying to yourself.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Inhabitants of the Federal Republic of Germany are called germans Americs
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