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THS posted:that hes cancelled forever and we cant listen to the talking heads anymore gently caress this and you
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smarxist posted:gently caress this and you the talking heads have some really great songs, heavy rotation on my playlist. Remain in Light, really incredible album imo
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BTW if someone wants to understand why the Communist Party of Philippines has taken groups like Tjen Folket and the ex Red Guards seriously recently, it's because of the pseudo-international whose basic idea you can grasp by reading this Engels anniversary text: https://ci-ic.org/blog/2020/11/28/200th-birthday-of-frederick-engels-international-declaration/. The Communist Party of Peru never exactly died, and it has managed to spread the good word of Gonzalo around the world over decades. During the last several years, followers have been linking up to hash out questions of ideological unity and organisational questions. The ex Red Guards joined it like a year or two ago and follow the line established by the Latin Americans. The reason most of the signatories don't call themselves parties is that they have established a rather high bar for the name. A party is an organisation that has formed a meaningful mass base and begun building an underground armed wing meant to be used. Most of the ones that call themselves parties only became that way rather recently, indicating that they've been developing quickly. The Communist Party of Philippines is seeing the writing on the wall: they might have a rival for hearts and minds soon, and one that is very critical of them. It doesn't really matter how well the first world collectives do as revolutionary orgs, they can still form an effective support network of sympathizers.
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uncop posted:BTW if someone wants to understand why the Communist Party of Philippines has taken groups like Tjen Folket and the ex Red Guards seriously recently, it's because of the pseudo-international whose basic idea you can grasp by reading this Engels anniversary text: https://ci-ic.org/blog/2020/11/28/200th-birthday-of-frederick-engels-international-declaration/. I feel like being on the other side of planet and not having the sorts of localish-context clues (save what little bits pass through twitter in a commonly taught in the Philippines, but almost definitely second language like English) is why folks in the CPP thought the austin red guards might be serious (which they are not)
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Dreddout posted:David Byrne did blackface, what conclusions can we draw from this act? ????????
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uncop posted:BTW if someone wants to understand why the Communist Party of Philippines has taken groups like Tjen Folket and the ex Red Guards seriously recently, it's because of the pseudo-international whose basic idea you can grasp by reading this Engels anniversary text: https://ci-ic.org/blog/2020/11/28/200th-birthday-of-frederick-engels-international-declaration/. i don't know anyone who thinks tjen folket are anything but cranks, so this actually makes a bit of sense for context, tjen folket are an antirevisionist splinter made up mostly of people who got excluded from the Red Youth about fifteen years ago for various reasons, but mostly for rejecting electoralism as a valid strategy for the party moving forward. now, you might sympathise with the basic point, but they kept introducing motions to boycott elections and loving up campaigning efforts at the time i actually agree that boycotting an election can be a legitimate strategy in some cases, but when you're a 2-3% party on the fringe you're not undermining anyone's legitimacy. it's a weird group, with lots of effort and activist zeal and very little interest in actually engaging with norwegian mass politics as boring as that is
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ToxicAcne posted:What makes Trotskyist groups so pervasive in the Anglo left. All of these tiny rear end groups seem to be completely ineffectual yet manage to last decades. They're basically the tardigrades of the left. i was probed for posting too well when this was asked. everyone else in the thread seems to agree that its because the cia/fbi/bad evil people love trotskyists and were evil and bad etc so can believe that if you desire. my answer would be that theyre not only prevalent in the "anglo" left which i assume means english speaking countries but all around the world, though there are many areas where they are non-existant or tiny because all of the trotskyists were killed such as vietnam. in terms of why many are still around in the english speaking countries and prevalent compared to stalinist parties, I cant speak for every country but I can for the US: its because the trotskyist parties were historically the ones that didnt hide their communism even during the worst periods of the red scare. the CPUSA engaged in many actions throughout the period of the 30s-50s when they had their largest mass following which basically discredited them among the broader working class which brings us to why today they more or less act as sheepdogs for the democratic party. ive made other posts about the sectarianism of the CPUSA towards the rest of the anti-capitalist left during that time, but I think most revealing to this question and the political approach and how it affected the long term health of the various tendencies is to look at the response to the smith act, which also helps demonstrate that actually the US government does not like trotskyists. the smith act was an anticommunist bill passed in 1940 which made it illegal to advocate the overthrow of the government and made it so non-citizens had to register with the government. most people are familiar with it because of the repression of the CPUSA during the late 40s but the first target was the socialist workers party or SWP, the first trotskyist party in the US. in 41 many of the SWP leaders were arrested on charges related to the smith act due to their prominent role in the teamster strikes of minneapolis during the 30s. the trial was used by the SWP to advocate and defend the cause of marxism and communism, they turned it into a political stump speech basically. all the while, the CPUSA supported the charges as they were part of the anti-trotskyist witch hunt the feds were engaged in. so while james cannon is at this trial defending the ideas of marx and lenin and revolutionary socialism, the CPUSA is attacking them and cheering for their arrest. an excerpt from the CPUSAs Daily Worker about the arrest of the SWP leaders: “The leaders of the Trotskyist organization which operates under the false name of ‘Socialist Workers Party’ deserve no more support from labor … than do the Nazis who camouflage their Party under the false name of ‘National Socialist Workers Party" they called them a fifth column for Hitler, also wrote a short pamphlet that concluded with this: “Being a sabotage organization, concentrating upon the disruption of the war effort, the Trotskyites do not require a large organization. On the contrary, a smaller group is more easily controlled and efficient for their purposes … The dangerous efficiency of this small group is shown by the fact that it succeeded in obtaining aid for the convicted Minneapolis traitors from the AFL and CIO unions representing 1,000,000 workers ... This core of saboteurs is small, but its underground influence is large. Remove the core and you wreck a strong fascist weapon in America.” weird coincidence that more or less the same language would be used against them a few years later, curious  meanwhile of course in 48 the SWP publically defended the CPUSA from their persecutions the SWP knew this was the start of a larger attack against marxists in the US so they used the trial to defend marxism and communist ideas. flash forward to 1948 when the CPUSA is attacked on the same grounds once stalin and the US are no longer on friendly terms, and the CPUSA approach was to use first amendment defenses and as those failed, hide their politics. they basically had many of their members go underground or hide party affiliations to avoid the witch hunt. the difference between maintaining and continuing a mass orientation and open political operations even with small forces compared to the retreat of the CPUSA I think is a political approach that I see still to this day among a lot of the parties with stalinist histories or approaches, typically dont raise their independent banner in mass work. its especially clear from the framing of the last quote above where the CPUSA argues its the SWPs nefarious sneaky ways which won them the support of the unions during their trial and not the result of the hard work and clear sighted leadership they helped provide during the minneapolis strikes. the last thing ill say is, rather than focus on what "The Trots" or whoever else think or do, its much more productive to actually engage with individual parties and what their political program is. if you look at the approach of two "trotskyist" parties today such as the SEP and the IMT, youd prolly find as much if not more separating them in terms of program and orientation than what split what would become the early SWP from the CPUSA in the first place. if you wanna learn more about the SWP trials there is a book called Socialism on Trial which is solely the courtroom transcript of Cannon's testimony, and on the minneapolis strikes I'd reccomend Farrell Dobb's Teamster Rebellion
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A coworker brought up sex positivity around me at work one time, I have never so ruthlessly changed the subject
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Its Coke posted:the only incorrect thing he said is that sex negative feminism is dead even if that's true he doesn't need to go bother some unknown internet woman about it, somehow think that isn't gonna change hearts and minds like as a gay man I am baffled by the sentiment "straight men bad because they horny" but there's nothing to accomplish arguing with a person like that aside from looking like a creep by going on about sex positivity I guess
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If you found that guy’s behavior at all compelling or relatable *you might be a redneck voice* you might be a pervert
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Mr. Lobe posted:even if that's true he doesn't need to go bother some unknown internet woman about it, somehow think that isn't gonna change hearts and minds true GalacticAcid posted:If you found that guy’s behavior at all compelling or relatable *you might be a redneck voice* you might be a pervert not his behavior, just the points he was making
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Mr. Lobe posted:even if that's true he doesn't need to go bother some unknown internet woman about it, somehow think that isn't gonna change hearts and minds I feel like sex positivity is a topic relevant to feminism, but repeatedly harassing some random woman on the internet is not the way to broach it.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I feel like sex positivity is a topic relevant to feminism, but repeatedly harassing some random woman on the internet is not the way to broach it. I agree
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sex positivity is one of the types of liberalism. much like many other modern ideas not really because of anything to do with the actual concept but because it gets abused by dumbasses. please god stop trying to talk about your kinks in the interest of normalization. also yeah the saga of american communism sucks lol. thanks and god bless to cpusa for taking their leading position and wasting it on sectarianism because they thought that's what Daddy stalin wanted during such a crucial moment. they're also partially responsible for the weakness of union labor in America because in the 30s and 40s basically all union leadership were commies of various stripes, so their failure to build unity and defend the movement had a lot of fun cascade effects.
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Larry Parrish posted:please god stop trying to talk about your kinks in the interest of normalization. i am essentially doing this every time i say i'm a communist.
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lol yeah it's really cool how saying you support feminism is like half a step from saying 'legalize rape' now. thanks online weirdos, even normal people are skeezed by u now.
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starting a communist org begging its members to not dedicate everything, spend most of their time on hobbies or social activities outside the bounds of the org, and take it easy
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i finally finished black bolshevik, great book
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i say swears online posted:you know you look really cute while holding up half the sky like that What would you do if I was there holding up the sky with u right now? Haha! just kidding! 😘 I'm so silly!! 😘
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V. Illych L. posted:i don't know anyone who thinks tjen folket are anything but cranks, so this actually makes a bit of sense None of these people care about mass politics in this sense at all. The election boycott strategy's purpose is not really to influence the legitimacy of the state, it's to find people who have lost all belief im liberal democracy and feel a bit of catharsis from seeing politics that loudly agrees with them. They try to find people that are outside the realm of mainstream leftist organisations and can be organised on different principles. In every country, they just want to find thousands of disgruntled folks that could be convinced to assist fugitives and so on, and hundreds of extremely disgruntled folks who could be convinced to completely subordinate their lives to the cause. Their strategy is to get the guns blazing ASAP and do the mass politics through the army. That's actually why I'm so obsessed with them, rather than any hard ideological agreement. I'm a nerd, and they're interesting. Of course, in *Norway*, nothing like that is going to happen unless these guys were some kinda unparalleled geniuses compared to their rivals.
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Dreddout posted:David Byrne did blackface, what conclusions can we draw from this act? he supports ralph northam?
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GalacticAcid posted:If you found that guy’s behavior at all compelling or relatable *you might be a redneck voice* you might be a pervert what if i don't agree with him BUT i am a pervert
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as a pervert i find his representation of us very offensive and agree that men that are feminists are fine but Male Feminists can get hosed in conclusion i want the invisible hand of the market to fist me
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