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Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 3 days!)

Tour shirts from cancelled 2020 shows

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I saw a report that about 4000 more theme park employees with Disney are losing their jobs, and now I see another article saying that these job cuts across Disney will reach about 32,000 into next year.

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-announces-layoffs-of-28000-park-employees-due-to-covid-19-impact

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009
Tomorrow is Qubili's final day. A moment I am sure that will be met with a chorus of "Wait, I thought it died earlier".

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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My girlfriend linked me some Twitter post about a Captain Jack Sparrow show that never aired on there, but I can't figure out how to link it. Apparently it was a bunch of impersonators that weren't allowed to break character or they lose.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Solice Kirsk posted:

My girlfriend linked me some Twitter post about a Captain Jack Sparrow show that never aired on there, but I can't figure out how to link it. Apparently it was a bunch of impersonators that weren't allowed to break character or they lose.

You have been punked.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Ugh, I figured. That's too good of an idea to have been on Quibi.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I mean one of the most memorable shows on Quibi had an Emmy winning actress obsessed with her golden arm, so is that show idea that far off base?

big dyke energy
Jul 29, 2006

Football? Yaaaay
Her golden arm that was giving her, iirc, gold poisoning and killing her.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I drove by the mall in this city that I've moved too recently. It was just a surreal experience, driving around the parking and seeing it totally empty, a decaying Sears Automotive and Brakes shops hidden in the butt-end of the mall.

I didn't go inside though, but there was still a few boomers who refuse to accept the death of the mall as an American Institution and were busily hobbling inside to to cash in on those hot deals or whatever the gently caress brick and mortar businesses are still in malls these days.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Its even more surreal when you watch it happen to malls you've been around your entire life. The one in my town is still bustling but I notice a lot of the smaller store fronts have businesses cycling in and out, and there's a lot more empty spaces due to stores going belly up in the pandemic. Has had the obligatory dead Sears with Sears Automotive on the end for years at this point.

Next town over however, hoo boy. That one died roughly 15 years ago, got bought by a shady developer who used it for a tax dodge, and got into legal trouble for it, then it got resold to another developer who had plans to make it into a community center. Not much progress seems to be made so far on it but at least this dev is doing something unlike tax dodge guy, I think?

My final mall story is one in the next city over. It has no less than three store fronts with antique mall type places in them, one of which is in an anchor store space. Extremely wierd to see all the vintage junk and collectibles next to classic mall stores. According to a friend there there's plans to turn it into senior housing.

In conclusion malls are a land of contrasts nobody knows what to do with dead and dying malls.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica
Put in a Cobra Kai franchise IMO

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Turbinosamente posted:

In conclusion malls are a land of contrasts nobody knows what to do with dead and dying malls.
The best thing I have seen to do with dead malls is the Dead Mall Series on YouTube by Dan Bell

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Turbinosamente posted:

In conclusion malls are a land of contrasts nobody knows what to do with dead and dying malls.

When they're in exurbs with cheap land prices and the costs to rehab the mall would be prohibitive, indoor paintball :hellyeah:

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Volmarias posted:

When they're in exurbs with cheap land prices and the costs to rehab the mall would be prohibitive, indoor paintball :hellyeah:

Indoor paintball armored train.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


In Tallahassee the Florida state government keeps buying old decrepit malls to renovate into office space. Then they fail to maintain them and they become massive environmental hazards to the state workers leading to class action suits against the government for things like bat guano all over everything.

Really the problem in Tally is they keep trying to have two malls in a city of only about 200K. One mall does fine while the second mall slowly decays. Then it gets bough by the state and someone opens a new second mall and the cycle continues.

Meanwhile the dead mall in my suburban Atlanta hometown because the set for Stranger Things.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Malls became such a phenomenon whose reach massively outstayed their grasp.

DreadUnknown
Nov 4, 2020

Bird is the word.

Soylent Pudding posted:

In Tallahassee the Florida state government keeps buying old decrepit malls to renovate into office space. Then they fail to maintain them and they become massive environmental hazards to the state workers leading to class action suits against the government for things like bat guano all over everything.

Really the problem in Tally is they keep trying to have two malls in a city of only about 200K. One mall does fine while the second mall slowly decays. Then it gets bough by the state and someone opens a new second mall and the cycle continues.

Meanwhile the dead mall in my suburban Atlanta hometown because the set for Stranger Things.

That's such an incredibly Florida idea, holy poo poo. I don't know why cities don't just turn them into low-income housing, it's probably a lot less work than having to build it from the ground up.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Vox is running a series of articles on the demise of department stores this week. The first one is definitely relevant to discussions about dying malls.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

DreadUnknown posted:

I don't know why cities don't just turn them into low-income housing, it's probably a lot less work than having to build it from the ground up.

The UK government passed legislation allowing this for office buildings etc, and the housing ends up being really really lovely. I mean if you're all for shanty towns then yeah it's a great idea, but really it's not advisable

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Ford moved 1800 employees into the Fairlane mall in their hometown of Dearborn, MI.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2017/04/18/ford-converts-240000-sq-ft-of-unused-mall-into-workplace.html

Not sure how it's doing now but when they started a lot was said of those employees eating and shopping at the remaining restaurants and stores.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Malls became such a phenomenon whose reach massively outstayed their grasp.

It really makes me curious what Mallrats 2 is going to be about.

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.
Retail space is constructed very differently from housing. If you're converting a full mall into actual living spaces, you might as well just tear it down and build an apartment building/complex on the land

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

It really makes me curious what Mallrats 2 is going to be about.

Literal rats living in an abandoned mall.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Zero One posted:

Ford moved 1800 employees into the Fairlane mall in their hometown of Dearborn, MI.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2017/04/18/ford-converts-240000-sq-ft-of-unused-mall-into-workplace.html

Not sure how it's doing now but when they started a lot was said of those employees eating and shopping at the remaining restaurants and stores.

That's an interesting idea. Rent out part of the mall to corporations and then you've got a built foot traffic from people required to be there 8 hours a day. Aaaaand then coronavirus hit and there is no shortage of office space and companies like WeWork are dying faster than malls could ever hope to.

Speaking of WeWork...how the hell are they still in business?

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Krispy Wafer posted:

That's an interesting idea. Rent out part of the mall to corporations and then you've got a built foot traffic from people required to be there 8 hours a day. Aaaaand then coronavirus hit and there is no shortage of office space and companies like WeWork are dying faster than malls could ever hope to.

Speaking of WeWork...how the hell are they still in business?

There is a VC born every minute. The Softbank money hasn't run out yet.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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In 2085 the CEO of Dismazonoogle leans back in his float-chair: "Wouldn't it be cool if there was a physical Amazon warehouse you could visit and just kind of shop in? Maybe split it off into different sections."

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
IIRC a problem with dead malls is that malls are pretty lovely for any function other than being malls, and renovating them to be something else is enough hassle you might as well just flatten them and build something new.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

The last time I physically set foot in a mall was 2015, and even then the change from how I remembered a mall in the early 2000s was dramatic. I can't imagine walking into a mall nowadays, I imagine it'd be just like the last time I visited Fry's this summer. Just empty space, with only the hollow ghost of what once was for company...and a bored cashier asking me if I want to get the loyalty card for a store chain clearly on the brink of financial insolvency.

Come to think of it, can anyone tell me why the lights are left on in a box store that's recently closed? I drive by a recently shuttered Kmart pretty regularly, and the lights are still on at night.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

DreadUnknown posted:

That's such an incredibly Florida idea, holy poo poo. I don't know why cities don't just turn them into low-income housing, it's probably a lot less work than having to build it from the ground up.

Lack of widespread plumbing and other things pointed out earlier, that much low income housing might make it easier for those who need low income housing. This is America and we can't have that.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

A White Guy posted:

The last time I physically set foot in a mall was 2015, and even then the change from how I remembered a mall in the early 2000s was dramatic. I can't imagine walking into a mall nowadays, I imagine it'd be just like the last time I visited Fry's this summer. Just empty space, with only the hollow ghost of what once was for company...and a bored cashier asking me if I want to get the loyalty card for a store chain clearly on the brink of financial insolvency.

Come to think of it, can anyone tell me why the lights are left on in a box store that's recently closed? I drive by a recently shuttered Kmart pretty regularly, and the lights are still on at night.

People will still break in and steal stuff , and then you can factor in not wanting the publicity of having said place broken into.

Like, even run down places have copper wire and whatever that is probably worth protecting is what it comes down to.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

A White Guy posted:

The last time I physically set foot in a mall was 2015, and even then the change from how I remembered a mall in the early 2000s was dramatic. I can't imagine walking into a mall nowadays, I imagine it'd be just like the last time I visited Fry's this summer. Just empty space, with only the hollow ghost of what once was for company...and a bored cashier asking me if I want to get the loyalty card for a store chain clearly on the brink of financial insolvency.

Come to think of it, can anyone tell me why the lights are left on in a box store that's recently closed? I drive by a recently shuttered Kmart pretty regularly, and the lights are still on at night.

A number of reasons, probably, including deterring trespassing and theft.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Here's a question I've asked in a thread or two before:

Why couldn't a big Amazon warehouse just build a small room on the front or the side full of kiosks where you can order stuff that's in the warehouse, pay for it, and have an Amazon employee pop out of a door and hand you the thing right away??

The answers I've gotten are
1. Amazon fulfillment centers are in the middle of nowhere
2. Amazon doesn't want to have employees dedicated to getting people stuff

I think these are both crap.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Here's a question I've asked in a thread or two before:

Why couldn't a big Amazon warehouse just build a small room on the front or the side full of kiosks where you can order stuff that's in the warehouse, pay for it, and have an Amazon employee pop out of a door and hand you the thing right away??

The answers I've gotten are
1. Amazon fulfillment centers are in the middle of nowhere
2. Amazon doesn't want to have employees dedicated to getting people stuff

I think these are both crap.

They own Whole Foods so you can just get your 50 gallon silicone personal friction disperser from an anonymous locker with a QR code on your phone.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
What's so important it can't wait 2 days for prime/a couple more years for the drone blimp?

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

A number of reasons, probably, including deterring trespassing and theft.

Plus you'll destroy your building if you don't leave the HVAC systems running, mold, moisture, etc will ruin the structure, once you have that it's a pretty small sum to literally keep the lights on.



Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Here's a question I've asked in a thread or two before:

Why couldn't a big Amazon warehouse just build a small room on the front or the side full of kiosks where you can order stuff that's in the warehouse, pay for it, and have an Amazon employee pop out of a door and hand you the thing right away??

The answers I've gotten are
1. Amazon fulfillment centers are in the middle of nowhere
2. Amazon doesn't want to have employees dedicated to getting people stuff

I think these are both crap.

They just built one 5 minutes up the road from me, I'd be tickled if I could have a robot pop in the back and hand me my package for sure.

Serious answer for why it's not done is likely the warehouses have bulk quantities of products, so you may live near the one that has nothing but Kitchen Aide appliances and cheap Chinese made USB-C cables, the the Fulfillment Centers get trucked bulk quantities of this stuff, but only as ordered, so there's no stock of stuff for you to swing by and pick up.

Honestly I can't think of any advantage to swinging by a Fulfillment Center that the Amazon Locker system doesn't have.

Paper Tiger
Jun 17, 2007

🖨️🐯torn apart by idle hands

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Here's a question I've asked in a thread or two before:

Why couldn't a big Amazon warehouse just build a small room on the front or the side full of kiosks where you can order stuff that's in the warehouse, pay for it, and have an Amazon employee pop out of a door and hand you the thing right away??

The answers I've gotten are
1. Amazon fulfillment centers are in the middle of nowhere
2. Amazon doesn't want to have employees dedicated to getting people stuff

I think these are both crap.

From charitable to less charitable:
-They'd have to set up additional parking and restrooms and stuff for all the customers who show up
-They'd have a bunch of cars getting in the way of the trucks that are either trying to pick up or drop off stuff, and the trucks & loading docks have schedules to keep
-If you don't have people dedicated to customer service, the customers will just hassle any random employee they can find
-They want to hide how the sausage is made (as it were), if customers saw their employees' working conditions even incidentally, then that'd remove the plausible deniability
-You can make an employee or contractor sign a waiver so they can't sue if they get injured at the warehouse, that's harder to do with a customer. Even if a customer isn't supposed to be on the warehouse floor, by God they'll find a way

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Paper Tiger posted:

From charitable to less charitable:

-You can make an employee or contractor sign a waiver so they can't sue if they get injured at the warehouse, that's harder to do with a customer. Even if a customer isn't supposed to be on the warehouse floor, by God they'll find a way

I don't think that's uncharitable, it's not a good idea to let people wander around warehouses, the same way a Jiffy Lube Lubetech needs to escort you to your car, there's hazards implicit in that environment you need to be aware of.

I've gone back to look at stuff in the backend of customer-fronting warehouses for Industrial and Electrical supply places, and there's always someone present.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
They’re on their way to having same‐day pickup, but they’re not doing it by having customers go to the warehouse.

They’ll batch the orders and run vans between the warehouse and the storefronts all day.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
I went into a Safeway for the first time in about 9 months, because I forgot I needed a roasting pan.

I may never go again.

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ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Here's a question I've asked in a thread or two before:

Why couldn't a big Amazon warehouse just build a small room on the front or the side full of kiosks where you can order stuff that's in the warehouse, pay for it, and have an Amazon employee pop out of a door and hand you the thing right away??

The answers I've gotten are
1. Amazon fulfillment centers are in the middle of nowhere
2. Amazon doesn't want to have employees dedicated to getting people stuff

I think these are both crap.

What you're essentially describing there is a giant Service Merchandise.

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