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as i understand it younge and dawn foster were eased out at the "suggestion" of some other CiF columnists with more clout there
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There was a guy used to go to Gardener’s World Live every year with a big display of arid plants - palms and agave and so on. Really nice guy, always good for plant chat. I would say... late 40s, maybe 50 years old? In 2019 she was a woman and after my dad stopped talking to her about plant food I just said how’ve you been and she said it had been a busy year but she was doing great and she’d made some decisions she should have made a long time ago, with this massive grin. I said oh great, I’m really glad you’re doing well and went to buy some rose bushes. As I went I heard an old man say to her “excuse me sweetheart...” Always a lovely day out at Gardener’s World Live, really sorry it was cancelled this year. Never too late is probably what I’m trying to say.
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gh0stpinballa posted:as i understand it younge and dawn foster were eased out at the "suggestion" of some other CiF columnists with more clout there Hang on, you mean Guardian columnists got pushed out without it getting wall-to-wall coverage in every other broadsheet? That's not my understanding of how this works.
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Dec 1, 2020 16:33
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Its interesting that the phrase is explicitly linked with doctor who in particular rather than just generally scary TV. With doctor who going back to the sixties I suppose it could be that the families with TVs were wealthier and had larger houses? But I think maybe also that the TV was a less dominant feature of the home at that point, both culturally and physically. So families might temporarily draw out a sofa into the centre of the room for the family to watch a particular show on a much smaller tv screen than today's larger ones that occupy pride of place in many lounges across the country. TVs used to be smaller, so you had to sit closer. Also, Doctor Who is and always has been a children's show, so hiding behind the sofa when the Daleks turned up is something a lot of people probably actually did. An adult isn't going to hide behind the sofa because they're scared watching the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or whatever.
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Dec 1, 2020 16:33
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Guavanaut posted:In my nan's house, which had not really changed layout since the late 60s, the sofa was in the middle of the room, you could walk round it in a circle, then there were a couple of chairs against the wall to the left and right, storage heater on the wall behind the sofa with about 3' between them, little side table near the heater, fireplace in front of the sofa, TV set in the far corner to the left of the chimney breast. Sofas (and furniture generally) has been getting bigger almost as quickly as houses are getting smaller. At the age of 10 I took up about the same space on a 3-seater sofa as I do now 3 decades and many, many pies later.
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I remember when tvs had like cupboard doors to pull across them when they weren't being watched so they looked just like a cabinet. TVs never used to be pride of place in the living room like they are now. I am irrationally prejudiced against big tvs and have to watch my mouth when staying with friends with ginormous plasma screen tvs. My tv is 22" and knows its place.I quite often watch it as a reflection in a mirror positioned on a shelf behind my laptop.
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Maybe if you got that smart meter installed you could upgrade to a bigger telly?
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gh0stpinballa posted:as i understand it younge and dawn foster were eased out at the "suggestion" of some other CiF columnists with more clout there foster got the sack when she poked fun at another guardian columnist on twitter for misunderstanding something
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I think the only time I've actually legitimately hid behind my sofa was when I was... maybe seven and watched Jurassic Park for the very first time. We had a joined living and dining room and the sofa separated the two.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I quite often watch it as a reflection in a mirror positioned on a shelf behind my laptop.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I am irrationally prejudiced against big tvs and have to watch my mouth when staying with friends with ginormous plasma screen tvs. ... what are you frightened of saying...?
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My 55-inch LG CX television is probably the closest thing I will ever have to a child.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I remember when tvs had like cupboard doors to pull across them when they weren't being watched so they looked just like a cabinet. TVs never used to be pride of place in the living room like they are now. My gran had one of those TV cupboards, I quite liked it as it seemed secretive and something that a spy would have. Rather than than mounted above the fireplace so if you're watching it its like sitting on the front row at a cinema. My house wasn't big enough to hide behind the sofa, but we made do with cushions and hands.
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EvilHawk posted:I think the only time I've actually legitimately hid behind my sofa was when I was... maybe seven and watched Jurassic Park for the very first time. The one time I remember hiding behind the sofa I was four, watching Jurassic Park, and I had to struggle to fit between the sofa and the wall. It was a sensible decision, because as you can see I am still here and have not been eaten by a dinosaur  Thank you, thread, for the insight into why my parents keep saying I should rearrange my living room, it must seem strange and unnatural to their lead poisoned brains.
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Necrothatcher posted:... what are you frightened of saying...? 
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Necrothatcher posted:... what are you frightened of saying...? "Nice screen, for a oval office to have." And then instinctively poking them in the eyes.
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Necrothatcher posted:... what are you frightened of saying...? That big tvs are low class. Yeah, I'm a tv snob. For quite a few of my formative years, my parents went through a 'we don't have a tv we make our own entertainment' phase and so myself and my siblings felt completely alienated at school because we couldn't join in tv conversations. And when they did get a tv we weren't allowed to watch Top of the Pops so still alienated. I guess some of it rubbed off. (Nor were we allowed to watch Monty Python so even more alienation because the boys at school spent the whole time regurgitating the entire script of the previous night's MP. I thought it was because the parentals disapproved. Only in later years did I realize it was because they simply didn't get it - the parentals thought Terry & June was the absolute peak of comedy.) (I was a teen in the 70s for anyone who is bemused here! TOTP? Monty Python? Terry & June?) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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^^^ Considering who was presenting TOTP in 1973, did you ever consider that they may have been right? gh0stpinballa posted:as i understand it younge and dawn foster were eased out at the "suggestion" of some other CiF columnists with more clout there So what you're saying is that comment is not, in fact, free? Jedit fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1333800860111888385 God this opposition really is loving spineless. WHO IS THIS FOR?! WHO IS IMPRESSED BY LABOUR ABSTAINING? The obvious conclusion is that they'd rather the legislation pass than fail, or they'd vote against it. Abstaining achieves nothing and the idea that Labour comes out looking good in any sense from this is bullshit. Feels like Powell was just trying to bore out the question, even someone as thick and as as much of a bad faith arguer like JHB was able to consistently point out how stupid this position is. Labour's whole plan of "hope everyone hates the Tories enough to vote for us by default" is copied wholescale from the US Dems (who barely scraped a win this year against an utter clown of an incumbent), despite the UK having a slightly healthier democratic process and more minority parties to choose from. They're wholly counting on people having nowhere to go and voting Labour, despite the very clear option of local parties/SNP/not voting because gently caress Starmer.
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Jedit posted:^^^ Considering who was presenting TOTP in 1973, did you ever consider that they may have been right? Given that none of us had any idea at the time and Saville wasn't the only presenter, not really. IIRC Dave Lee Travis was the best presenter. What it did do was blight our early teens - we moved a lot and one way of making friends in new schools is to have something to talk to other kids about and worst of all, when the boy in the 5th form (Year 11 in the new money) that I fancied like crazy asked me if I liked Slade and I'd never heard of them .. I sobbed my heart out and went home and demanded that we be allowed to watch it from then on in. (That boy also introduced me to Black Sabbath  )
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:That big tvs are low class. Yeah, I'm a tv snob. My parents weren't TV-size snobs, but TV-height snobs - the lower it was, the better. I missed a lot of formative TV just by virtue of having lived in India (all the kids used to go to the local restaurant on Saturday morning to watch Spiderman, and that was it), and then not being very interested in it when we came to the UK
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winegums posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1333800860111888385 How poo poo do you have to be as a political operator to literally admit that what you do is irrelevant anyway? Utter, utter dog poo poo. It also right pisses me off that it's all about support for businesses. What about support for people? loving people exist too and they can do things like die and starve and suffer.
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Angrymog posted:My parents weren't TV-size snobs, but TV-height snobs - the lower it was, the better. What, like, on the floor? That can't be great for the ol' neck
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Genuinely have no idea how I managed with a sub-40 inch TV. My eyesight was either amazing or we must have sat really close. I can't really talk though, I'm the prick who starts messing with other people's TV settings to turn off motion smoothing. Most of the time they say they can't see any difference. 
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Guavanaut posted:In my nan's house, which had not really changed layout since the late 60s, the sofa was in the middle of the room, you could walk round it in a circle, then there were a couple of chairs against the wall to the left and right This is my 1960s-70s childhood sitting room in a semi-detached house. But we could fit it in partly because all the furniture was much slimmer and harder than the huge, bursting mounds of padding people sit on now.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What, like, on the floor? Ours more or less was, but that's because we lived in a house boat, and rather than try to get a sofa in the place, they (the parents) basically built the living room to have a low seating area on one side* that had big bean bags on it, but I think my mum's ire was mostly aimed at TVs that were higher than a lowish-TV stand. (actually, those TVs mounted on the wall above fireplaces and things can't be good for the neck either?) *For the first year after we moved in, IIRC we used the back seat from our 2cv as a sofa. This of course meant that I was just rattling around loose in the back of the car when we went on trips. Ah, the late eighties/early 90s.
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winegums posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1333800860111888385 Had a go about this and the other abstentions with a Starmerphile I know who kept going on about his 'gravitas' in the House. He didn't have a reply. We really have to try and get some kind of credible opposition before the next election. God knows how. (I mean credible to those of us who are pissed off with Labour but probably feeling we might have to vote for them in 2024 as the only chance of getting shut of the tories.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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stev posted:Genuinely have no idea how I managed with a sub-40 inch TV. My eyesight was either amazing or we must have sat really close. Motion smoothing? I have never heard of that! I know those 3D photos people post on Facebook sometimes make me feel nauseous.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Given that none of us had any idea at the time and Saville wasn't the only presenter, not really. IIRC Dave Lee Travis was the best presenter. I've got some bad news for you. In fact was any 70/early 80s TOTP presenter *not* some kind of deviant?
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stev posted:Genuinely have no idea how I managed with a sub-40 inch TV. My eyesight was either amazing or we must have sat really close. i loving hate motion smoothing and watching tv somewhere with it on
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https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1333763598443835392?s=19 Found who it's for.
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I like motion smoothing, but I've been ruined by years of videogames and think it looks fine. The house I currently live in had the exact same 32" Panasonic that I had around 2005. It is heavy as poo poo, two feet deep and the screen is laughably tiny. Hell, my 43" only just feels adequate, whenever I buy a place I'm probably going to upgrade to something over 50".
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've got some bad news for you. In fact was any 70/early 80s TOTP presenter *not* some kind of deviant? Given the amount of deviance evident in the whole of the media world back then (and probably now still) - let alone allegations about senior politicians that linger to this day - just about any form of entertainment or politics from back then could be tainted. And this is why I am in great favour of social media despite all its drawbacks. If it wasn't for alternative media sources we have available to us these days, most of us wouldn't have a clue about half the stuff that went on (is going on) both in terms of celebrities and politicians and world politics.
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stev posted:Genuinely have no idea how I managed with a sub-40 inch TV. My eyesight was either amazing or we must have sat really close. I thought I was getting more sophisticated as I got older because I watched more stuff with subtitles. In reality it's because of bigger hd screens.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Motion smoothing? I have never heard of that! It's the setting that simulates a high framerate on modern TVs, making everything look like it was filmed on a lovely cheap camera like Eastenders. Most new TVs have it turned on by default, and everyone who actually makes films and TV shows wants it abolished. Bobstar posted:I think it's the thing that makes everything look like a soap. Has something to do with high frame rates. 24 frames helps create the illusion - your mind fills in the missing frames with what it's supposed to see. When a film simulates 48+ frames you can't do that though, and suddenly that castle is very obviously a polystyrene set. stev fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Jippa posted:I thought I was getting more sophisticated as I got older because I watched more stuff with subtitles. In reality it's because of bigger hd screens. I preffer subtitles even on english language things; I just find it easier to follow if I can read the words
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Motion smoothing? I have never heard of that! I think it's the thing that makes everything look like a soap. Has something to do with high frame rates. I saw someone arguing that we should stop living in the past regarding frame rates, and embrace the new look. To which I say, films are meant to look cinematic. It's like arguing that theatrical lighting is heightened and stylised, and would be better if it was naturalistic. It wouldn't (unless that's the effect you're going for).
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Bobstar posted:I think it's the thing that makes everything look like a soap. Has something to do with high frame rates.
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