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I don't know exactly when Ernest Cline wrote that awful porn polemic but the fact he doesn't seem to be aware of the existence of the Suicide Girls or that they've been a thing for like 20+ years makes it even more pathetic.
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SuicideGirls go for the Chad Warren Ellis, not the virgin Ernest Cline
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Dec 1, 2020 10:25
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Bismuth posted:"short" references maybe, but the book's entire foundation is referencing other properties, I feel like disney or hasbro could add up every reference to one of their properties and come up with 1/3+ of the book that is entirely using them as life support theres a difference between referencing an intellectual property ("he saw the latest transformers movie") and using its characters and writing them as your own ("optimus prime looked soulfully into megatrons eyes as he withdrew his dipstick") ready player one has at least its own 'world' as a foundation, as shallow as it is, and that gives it a degree of freedom in referencing said material. also all the characters know and acknowledge that references come from fictional/outside sources, instead of it being written as if it were a "reality" for said characters
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Dec 1, 2020 11:14
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ErrEff posted:Harry Knowles championed it and used his platform to make the deals happen after Cline's film Fanboys got made. Him and Cline are longtime friends since the early days of Knowles' Butt-Numb-A-Thon film festival. IIRC one thing that's conspiciously missing from the book entirely is references to Nintendo properties of any kind.
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Dec 1, 2020 11:34
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Randarkman posted:IIRC one thing that's conspiciously missing from the book entirely is references to Nintendo properties of any kind. That is because Nintendo will sue the everloving loving poo poo out of a 3 year old for making a lovely crayon drawing of Mario and their parents for posting it on the internet, faster than you can blink
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Dec 1, 2020 11:46
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MrQwerty posted:That is because Nintendo will sue the everloving loving poo poo out of a 3 year old for making a lovely crayon drawing of Mario and their parents for posting it on the internet, faster than you can blink How come they don't sue all the people who sell Animal Crossing related crap on Etsy?
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Dec 1, 2020 12:02
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I'm glad we're still making GBS threads on this book years later. It's genuinely bad in so many ways. I'm too high to effort post about it but the worst parts have to be a tie between the rant about masturbation or the Japanese players telling Wade that he is an honarable samurai.
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Dec 1, 2020 12:13
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jkk posted:How come they don't sue all the people who sell Animal Crossing related crap on Etsy? Because there are so many of them, lawyers are expensive, and it wouldn't be worth their time because how much in damages would they even be able to get
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Dec 1, 2020 12:14
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Elderbean posted:I'm glad we're still making GBS threads on this book years later. It's genuinely bad in so many ways. I'm too high to effort post about it but the worst parts have to be a tie between the rant about masturbation or the Japanese players telling Wade that he is an honarable samurai. It's closer to a screed than a rant I'd say. But yeah it's embarassing as all gently caress and I hate it especially for how it repeats that fallacy that seems pretty common that if you're a geek you're good at science and vice versa and that obviously being scientists, Einstein and Marie Curie had to have been geeks who couldn't get laid and therefore depended upon masturbation. I loving hate it. Anyway I bet alot of the owners of the properties and prodcuts mentioned in the book were okay with it, because by way of the book's popularity and success I bet it served as a pretty good advertisement for a lot of this poo poo. And there does seem to be a subset of "geek culture" where people strive to outwardly signal how much they are into the things they should be into as part of that dumb culture, and I bet this book did a lot of heavy lifting in, maybe not defining, but codifying what those things cold and should be.
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Dec 1, 2020 12:21
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Elderbean posted:I'm glad we're still making GBS threads on this book years later. It's genuinely bad in so many ways. I'm too high to effort post about it but the worst parts have to be a tie between the rant about masturbation or the Japanese players telling Wade that he is an honarable samurai. I like the part where the Iron Giant, a parable around "What if a gun had a soul, and didn't want to be a gun?", is seen lasering motherfuckers and blowing poo poo up just because it looks cool.
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Dec 1, 2020 12:33
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Bismuth posted:I want to know why this specific terrible crossover fanfiction got really popular. My best friend's older brother (who I believe is about to turn 40?) is the target demographic for this poo poo. He still lives, mentally, in the 80s and 90s and has no self awareness. It's kind of disturbing to witness. I'm pretty sure he thinks that "Ultimate Showdown for Ultimate Destiny" song is the pinnacle of songwriting, simply from all of the references in it. My friend said recently, of his brother, "I think he's had a very dissatisfying adulthood, and the past gives him comfort. I think he always imagined he'd be world famous for one of his many dabblings by now." By dabblings, he's referring to various barely started projects (novels, songs, etc) that were quickly abandoned after they started. He's now started a FB page/group (I can't remember) where once a day he sings in a video. He is the only person in the world who genuinely thinks he's got a good voice, no one tells him otherwise. Also, he's already missed a bunch of days. ANYWAY, I believe he's pumped for RP2.
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OMFG FURRY posted:theres a difference between referencing an intellectual property ("he saw the latest transformers movie") and using its characters and writing them as your own ("optimus prime looked soulfully into megatrons eyes as he withdrew his dipstick") Actually, here's a question: a whole lot of movies and books have a little disclaimer quote:This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental. Is the bar for using a real person's name or likeness without their permission a lot higher? If that was the case, could Cline have hosed up by including Prince? Prince was pretty litigious about copyright when he was alive, I dunno how much his estate is carrying that on now that he's kicked it. Also I guess Cline could have gotten permission from the estate.
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Randarkman posted:It's closer to a screed than a rant I'd say. But yeah it's embarassing as all gently caress and I hate it especially for how it repeats that fallacy that seems pretty common that if you're a geek you're good at science and vice versa and that obviously being scientists, Einstein and Marie Curie had to have been geeks who couldn't get laid and therefore depended upon masturbation. I loving hate it. I'm trying to find out who that scientist who hosed a lot during the early-to-mid 20th century was, but Google and Wikipedia are not helping me. I first read about him on these very forums, dammit Also 
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Dec 1, 2020 15:45
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Leroy Dennui posted:I'm trying to find out who that scientist who hosed a lot during the early-to-mid 20th century was, but Google and Wikipedia are not helping me. Stephen Hawking was a major pussy hound when he was young and healthy
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Dec 1, 2020 15:52
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Leroy Dennui posted:I'm trying to find out who that scientist who hosed a lot during the early-to-mid 20th century was, but Google and Wikipedia are not helping me. I first read about him on these very forums, dammit Richard Feynman? Who had a short essay in his book that is basically the proto-ancestor of modern PUA? (Though a little bit less revolting than PUA theory, since his only tactic is to go to bars and ask girls if wanna gently caress.) Also Einstein was both married and had a whole bunch of affairs, he was not sitting alone whacking off.
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Laterite posted:I don't know exactly when Ernest Cline wrote that awful porn polemic but the fact he doesn't seem to be aware of the existence of the Suicide Girls or that they've been a thing for like 20+ years makes it even more pathetic.  It's not actually about what type of porn Cline likes. It's about signaling that he don't like society's beauty standards, and thus women who feel upset and restricted by those standards (which is secretly almost every woman) should totally gently caress him because he will actually appreciate them. It's casting a net for "not like other girls" girls, appealing to their subconscious misogyny by talking about how smart and cool they are while simultaneously talking poo poo about other women (who are all "fake" and "bimbos").It's basically the nerd predator version of PUA techniques. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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"Rubenesque"
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Leroy Dennui posted:I'm trying to find out who that scientist who hosed a lot during the early-to-mid 20th century was, but Google and Wikipedia are not helping me. I first read about him on these very forums, dammit Dr. Alfred Kinsey, inventor of the Kinsey scale of hetero-homosexuality, researched orgies.
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Dec 1, 2020 16:07
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The science of sex and sexuality is legit field with many contributors.
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Hydrogen has one proton, right? Shouldn't you be knocking protons off multiple atoms?
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Who What Now posted:The science of sex and sexuality is legit field with many contributors. Me, mostly
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Elderbean posted:Hydrogen has one proton, right? Shouldn't you be knocking protons off multiple atoms? People who loving love science don't know poo poo about science.
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Dec 1, 2020 18:54
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Elderbean posted:Hydrogen has one proton, right? Shouldn't you be knocking protons off multiple atoms? This person deserves death
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Klyith posted:Richard Feynman? Who had a short essay in his book that is basically the proto-ancestor of modern PUA? (Though a little bit less revolting than PUA theory, since his only tactic is to go to bars and ask girls if wanna gently caress.) Pretty sure it was Feynman who I was thinking of; it's a shame that he was pretty gross.
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Dec 1, 2020 19:03
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Leroy Dennui posted:Pretty sure it was Feynman who I was thinking of; it's a shame that he was pretty gross. Eh *tilts hand back and forth* there's way worse examples. The guy was about average misogynistic for the 60s and 70s. He was predatory to women sexually, but good to them as co-workers and fellow scientists. I feel like the most lasting damage was writing that story the way he did and presenting it as an example other nerds would follow. The thing really is delivered like "I have learned a fact, and it is that some women will gently caress you if you treat them like poo poo!"
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Dec 1, 2020 19:37
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It's true that geeks have a hard time getting laid, because geek and nerd are very different Cline and all his fans are geeks who think they're nerds
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Dec 1, 2020 19:49
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Re: Legal liabilities, it helps to have your mega-crossover fanfiction sold by the largest publisher in the world. Imagine being the lawyers having to vet all this poo poo.
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Dec 1, 2020 19:50
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Simone Magus posted:It's true that geeks have a hard time getting laid, because geek and nerd are very different they bite the heads off of live chickens?
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Dec 1, 2020 19:51
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Also as dumb as the Ready Player One masturbation screed is, it's also just a short rehash of the much longer (and equally embarrassing) essays on the subject in Cryptonomicon. Because Ernest Cline has never had an original thought.
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Dec 1, 2020 19:52
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Bonaventure posted:they bite the heads off of live chickens? Nerd culture today is a cesspool that threatens our very civilization, but at least the tremendously stupid "geek vs nerd" debate (which relies entirely on two arbitrary re-definitions of two made-up social categories) isn't a thing anymore for anyone under 30.
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IGN rarely reviews books, but I guess they really wanted to publicly say that RP2 sucks!
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Dec 1, 2020 20:16
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Agent Escalus posted:IGN rarely reviews books, but I guess they really wanted to publicly say that RP2 sucks! It's even funnier when they dunk on it that they seem to live the first book.
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Elderbean posted:Hydrogen has one proton, right? Shouldn't you be knocking protons off multiple atoms? I cannot emphasize enough that this part in RP1 is Wade literally stopping the plot from progressing to recite this entire passage from Halliday's journal, while also describing how he spent like a week with an OASIS-compatible sexbot and virtual brothels (the same kind of job his mom had when she died of a speedball overdose) before feeling dirty and getting rid of it. He did this because the girl he had a crush on stopped talking to him when he tried to learn her real name. He later hacks IOI and gets her personal file to find out her name, address, and appearance and she forgives him almost instantly when he tells her this because he's saving the virtual world from being monetized. RP2 actually ramps up the weird sex and relationship poo poo.
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LanceHunter posted:Nerd culture today is a cesspool that threatens our very civilization, but at least the tremendously stupid "geek vs nerd" debate (which relies entirely on two arbitrary re-definitions of two made-up social categories) isn't a thing anymore for anyone under 30.  I was just pointing out that geeks are like, gross weird people. Like, Beavis is a geek. Cline isn't a nerd and nerds don't have an inherently hard time getting laid
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The words basically mean the same thing now and both are basically worthless as far as actually providing a useful description of a group of people. e: Also I'm pretty sure Ernest Cline is married. Gross people get laid all the time (as in it's not uncommon). Randarkman fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Dec 1, 2020 21:32
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Randarkman posted:The words basically mean the same thing now and both are basically worthless as far as actually providing a useful description of a group of people. Okay sorry jeez
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I'm pretty sure there's an Onion about a teen being a feminist hero for jerking off to big girls and it's like reading Ernests biography.
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Dec 1, 2020 21:51
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Randarkman posted:The words basically mean the same thing now and both are basically worthless as far as actually providing a useful description of a group of people. His wedding announcement goes out of its way to mention that RP1 was getting made by Spielberg.
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Dec 1, 2020 22:47
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I wonder how Cline sees himself. Does he know that his writing is awful and that his success is a literary black swan event? Does he see himself as some kind of auteur?
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my ex read effectively zero books and one of the exceptions was RP1 which she claimed was one of the coolest books she'd ever read and that I'd probably like it because videogames. then she started to describe the premise to me and since she was my gf at the time I didn't tell her that whole diatribe made her sound like a complete dumbass but, it made her sound like a complete dumbass. anyway I broke up with her rear end by grabbing her tail and spinning around like Super Mario 64 and then after launching her into the air Dante and I went into Devil Trigger mode and air comboed her before I shoved a Bob-omb in her pussy and the resulting explosion blasted her off into the skybox like in Super Smash Bros
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