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Bobulus posted:I am extremely amused that Loren's first thought is that that the andalite will be offended to be ridden like a horse. Meanwhile, Elfangor has no analogue in his society to draw from, so it doesn't even occur to him that this could be a demeaning occurrence. I'm now picturing Visser Three walking through a mall in human morph, seeing Ax in human morph devour cinnabons and cigarette butts, and continuing on without suspicion.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 05:12 |
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Epicurius posted:Humans are surprisingly good at throwing. It's something we take for granted, but humans can throw things better than any other animal on earth. We're good at focusing our vision, and our arms have a very wide range of motion. I picked up the notion somewhere that this is because a primate's arm evolved to swing from branch to branch and it's the same sort of shoulder motion, but apparently not, since we throw better than other primates: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23061016 HisMajestyBOB posted:I'm now picturing Visser Three walking through a mall in human morph, seeing Ax in human morph devour cinnabons and cigarette butts, and continuing on without suspicion. This has probably come up before but I just remembered that in the TV series, when Visser Three is in human morph basically all the time for obvious production reasons, he's played by Arnold Vosloo aka Imhotep from The Mummy. Pretty good casting IMO, he does villains good.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 06:47 |
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freebooter posted:I picked up the notion somewhere that this is because a primate's arm evolved to swing from branch to branch and it's the same sort of shoulder motion, but apparently not, since we throw better than other primates: Eugene Lipinski, actually Though he has some of that same energy in what little I've seen of him in the role. Arnold Vosloo played the big bad on a season of , so maybe that's what you're thinking of? Visser Three's human morph is usually described as being tall, thin, older and with grey hair, which to me conjures an image of someone like Peter Capaldi of late.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 07:28 |
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freebooter posted:I picked up the notion somewhere that this is because a primate's arm evolved to swing from branch to branch and it's the same sort of shoulder motion, but apparently not, since we throw better than other primates: I think it was Jake's narration that mentioned that in book 11.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 10:01 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Eugene Lipinski, actually Though he has some of that same energy in what little I've seen of him in the role. Arnold Vosloo played the big bad on a season of , so maybe that's what you're thinking of? I mean if anyone could portray Visser 3's level of sheer rage, Capaldi could.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 12:04 |
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I'm surprised at how much the whole Time Matrix sequence has stuck with me for the past twenty years, it's such a cool and interesting concept for a kid's book and Katherine is loving aces at vivid visuals. The thing I remember *most* from this book though is coming up in what I assume is the next chapter, with the poor, unfortunate memory of Loren's least favorite McDonald's employee. *shudder*Tree Bucket posted:3: "So. You propel rocks at me!" is now a contender for Best Animorphs line, tied with lobster-morphed Ax musing that "these pincers are most excellent" I did forget how goddamn funny these books could be. "You'll be sorry you ever propelled a rock at me!"
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 17:50 |
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Was it ever established if Andalites have shoulders? If not, no wonder they'd be miserable at throwing.
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 18:03 |
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rollick posted:Was it ever established if Andalites have shoulders? If not, no wonder they'd be miserable at throwing. This is actually a *huge* argument in the fandom that someone else can probably discuss in greater detail than me, but the short of it is there's nothing really in the text that describes them as having humanlike shoulders or even a torso at all, and not much in the way of explicitly describing them as centaur-like either. In fact, some characters describe them as resembling blue deer at a distance, which is a real stretch if they've got human-esque upper halves. All of the official art does portray them as centaurs though, but that could have been just artists making assumptions and Applegate couldn't do anything to change it after the first official art came out. Basically the short answer is
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 18:08 |
The Tolkien fan authors at it again, with their very own version of "do balrogs have wings?"
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 18:41 |
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Andalites have t-rex arms, this is now canon.
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nine-gear crow posted:Eugene Lipinski, actually Though he has some of that same energy in what little I've seen of him in the role. Arnold Vosloo played the big bad on a season of , so maybe that's what you're thinking of? OK this is my personal Mandela effect, I would've happily bet my life it was Vosloo. I watched 24s4 as well, but that was like five years later, I couldn't have confused it with that... Fuschia tude posted:I think it was Jake's narration that mentioned that in book 11. Well then tut tut, KA! (I was actually thinking maybe it was Kim Stanley Robinson, it's the kind of science trivia he litters his books with.)
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 22:09 |
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rollick posted:Andalites have t-rex arms, this is now canon. Nooooooo
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# ? Dec 1, 2020 22:23 |
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ninjahedgehog posted:This is actually a *huge* argument in the fandom that someone else can probably discuss in greater detail than me, but the short of it is there's nothing really in the text that describes them as having humanlike shoulders or even a torso at all, and not much in the way of explicitly describing them as centaur-like either. In fact, some characters describe them as resembling blue deer at a distance, which is a real stretch if they've got human-esque upper halves. Not to go all "sharks aren't smooth" on you, but I think we can pretty officially and conclusively put this to rest. There are one or two descriptions that are ambiguous enough to cause confusion, but the text pretty clearly backs up the official artwork in lots of places. I took a sampling of expository 'Andalite appearance descriptions' from a few of the earlier books: Finding Ax in book #4: He stood on four delicate hooves, looking, at first glance, like a pale blue and tan deer or antelope. But he had a strong upper body, like a mythical centaur, with two small arms and many-fingered hands. His face was almost triangular, built around two huge, almond-shaped eyes. There was a small vertical slit where his nose should have been, and nothing where his mouth should have been. From book #6: It's amazing how quickly we'd all gotten used to the fact that this guy from another planet was with us. I barely even thought about the fact that an Andalite was standing there, looking like a cross between a blue deer, a mouthless human, a goat with eyes on the ends of his horns, and a scorpion. From book #7: He looks like some odd cross of a human, a deer, and a scorpion. But not really like any of those things. His upper body and head are more or less the human-looking parts. He has thin arms and many-fingered hands. His face is flat, with slits for a nose and two large almond eyes. He has no mouth at all, which is why thought-speak is the natural language of Andalites. From book #8, when Ax is describing himself: I am told that I look like a cross between a deer, a scorpion, and a human. I've seen deer in the woods, and I don't agree. For one thing, they have mouths and I don't. And they have only two eyes, while I have four. From book #9: Up close he looks like a cross between a deer or a horse, and a human and a scorpion. Sort of like a mythical centaur. His upper body is like a boy’s. He has weak-looking arms and a head with two movable stalks on top, kind of like antlers. Each stalk has an eye. The eyes are constantly looking left and right and back. I got tired of looking after this but I'm sure there are more. Alt-Andalite designs are fun though! But I think the text does pretty much back up the centaur comparison.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 01:11 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 39quote:We ran. Or I ran, and Loren rode lightly on my back. And we quickly outran the visser’s beasts. Those biological wheels were swift, but not as swift as an Andalite’s hooves. Andalites, as pointed out, don't have houses. Also note that Elfangor understands roads as a way you can drive cars without damaging the food supply...which I guess is true, but it's also an example of Andalite thinking. quote:I didn’t know what to say to that. My own home scoop had been empty. My mother and father had not been there. I doubted that Loren’s mother would be in her house. But I wasn’t sure. I sort of want to make a "We have Andalites at home" joke, here, but... quote:“How do you know about Andalites?!” Loren yelled. There was water leaking from her eyes. “Oh, God, you’re not real! You’re not real!” I mean, as funny as it sort of comes across, it is really pretty horrible. There's that big trope in horror where there the world seems normal, but then you start noticing slight differences, and you realize either something is wrong with you or with the world. And that's what we're seeing here, from Loren's perspective. It's especially horrific, because it's like we've talked about earlier, a question of identity. This is a thing that looks like her mom, acts like her mom, sounds like her mom, but it's not her mom....it's just her own reconstruction of her mom. Chapter 40 quote:I felt that Loren needed a little time alone. It was dangerous letting her walk around by herself. But I couldn’t force her to talk to me when she was angry and afraid. She's ready to kill at this point.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 02:22 |
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Hah. Lorien is Quenya for "dreamland," which I guess sums up the Time Matrix universe pretty well. Is this another Tolkien reference from the authors?
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 02:57 |
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Epicurius posted:<We each - you, me, Visser Thirty-two had ideas of where to go. You wanted your home. I wanted mine. I guess he wanted his. Nobody’s vision was complete. We were all freezing and suffocating for lack of air.> This explains why the Visser would have conjured up the Yeerk homeworld even though he shouldn't sensibly want to go there since it's under Andalite occupation. (Though I think the actual answer is that KA just hadn't decided that yet.) edit - also, unless I'm mistaken, I think this bizzaro world is as close as we ever come to an actual scene on the modern-day Andalite homeworld? The only other I can think of is the Ellimist going there in prehistoric times. I'm trying off the top of my head to think of how many planets we as readers get to visit and it's a pretty extensive list: Taxxon, Yeerk, Hork-Bajir, Leera, the weird-as-hell one where they have to fight the Howlers, Ellimist, the sentient ocean planet the Ellimist gets trapped on for a while... freebooter fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 2, 2020 |
# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:10 |
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This section of the book exemplifies something I love about Animorphs in general, the way it incorporates some really cool weird science fiction.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:11 |
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freebooter posted:This explains why the Visser would have conjured up the Yeerk homeworld even though he shouldn't sensibly want to go there since it's under Andalite occupation. (Though I think the actual answer is that KA just hadn't decided that yet.) Blockade. Or at least it is in the main books.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:29 |
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Honestly Loren's been holding up impressively well up to this point, and it makes sense that she'd start breaking down right when home seems so close, but is actually farther away then ever.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:32 |
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Epicurius posted:Blockade. Or at least it is in the main books. Yeah but same difference because he doesn't strike me as the type to want to sit out the rest of the war under siege
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:33 |
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Epicurius posted:Blockade. Or at least it is in the main books. Yeah, isn't it said somewhere or another that basically the only thing keeping the Yeerks from just storming into the Andalite core systems is the fact that the Andalites have a fleet in orbit around the Yeerk homeworld that's just sitting there and waiting for orders to glass it if things are pushed "too far"?
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:35 |
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feetnotes posted:Not to go all "sharks aren't smooth" on you, but I think we can pretty officially and conclusively put this to rest. There are one or two descriptions that are ambiguous enough to cause confusion, but the text pretty clearly backs up the official artwork in lots of places. I took a sampling of expository 'Andalite appearance descriptions' from a few of the earlier books: Counterpoint: Book 5 says: "From a distance you'd think he was a small horse or a deer. He has four hooved feet that flash with amazing speed. His upper body looks like a horse's neck and head, except that when he gets close enough, you see that he has two smaller, human-sized arms sticking out." The original Andalite sketch is sort of halfway between both. https://twitter.com/MichaelGrantBks/status/1118990778095693824 They do sort of have little T-Rex arms, though!
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 03:45 |
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freebooter posted:Yeah but same difference because he doesn't strike me as the type to want to sit out the rest of the war under siege considering he's using the time matrix, maybe he was envisioning the yeerk homeworld some time pre-blockade, with the intent to change things more favourably? he is with pets that he doesn't seem to have any time in the present.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 10:51 |
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Epicurius posted:
Elfangor is introduced to books, sees that you can't use thought-speak to connect to them and that you have to manually search through them in their entirety to find what you're looking for, and recognizes them as less advanced. Ax (the previously lazier brother and worse student) is introduced to books, sees that you don't have to automatically get what you're looking for from them but instead can just page through them aimlessly, and immediately decides they're better.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 14:23 |
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disaster pastor posted:
It does tell you a lot about their respective personalities.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 15:00 |
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Ax also thinks books are superior to computers because books don't have loading times and can't crash out.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 18:46 |
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freebooter posted:This explains why the Visser would have conjured up the Yeerk homeworld even though he shouldn't sensibly want to go there since it's under Andalite occupation. (Though I think the actual answer is that KA just hadn't decided that yet.) I always thought it was interesting how Applegate barely gives any actual planet names, instead everything is the Andalite homeworld, the Hork-Bajir homeworld, the Taxxon homeworld, etc. Did she ever give a reason for that?
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:59 |
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ninjahedgehog posted:I always thought it was interesting how Applegate barely gives any actual planet names, instead everything is the Andalite homeworld, the Hork-Bajir homeworld, the Taxxon homeworld, etc. Did she ever give a reason for that? These books are for younger readers and it is far more efficient context wise to catch the reader up with X's homeworld than "made up name" also this is the x home-world every time a planet is brought up.
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 21:05 |
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Everyone's name for their planet just translates to Earth
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# ? Dec 2, 2020 22:05 |
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Having taken a break I've just caught up about 300 posts over the last couple of days and this series is dark. I enjoyed Jake's time misadventure, it was an interesting look into leadership in a wartime situation, especially in a more tactical than strategic role. You need someone people have trust can make relatively calm decisions quickly. It's also kind of horrible the effect it's having on him and interesting as well to see his behaviour chasing a bit in response to it rather than the more normal 'reset' is expect in 90s kid lit. The Rachel book was actually kind of horrifying as well. Maybe it's reading it all as an adult but I didn't really see any of it as a comedy bit, the whole thing was near death and body horror all the way through. Also the Andalite chronicles rock, I'm glad to see that Visser 3 hasn't gotten worse since acquiring an Andalite host and has in fact always been a terrible super violation boss
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:36 |
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GodFish posted:Everyone's name for their planet just translates to Earth Reminds me of that line from Pratchett's series about the "nomes" stranded on earth. They ask their revived navigation AI what star their ancestors came from, and it replies "The Sun." Every species calls its star The Sun... Also I seem to remember that there are heap of people-group names that translate as "the people" or "the strangers" depending on whose bits of language survived.
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:46 |
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MrNemo posted:The Rachel book was actually kind of horrifying as well. Maybe it's reading it all as an adult but I didn't really see any of it as a comedy bit, the whole thing was near death and body horror all the way through. (Oops, double post.) Yeah, the whole series is full of stuff like that. Having a Yeerk in your brain, plundering your memories, watching your thoughts and steering your body's interactions with your unknowing loved ones- it would literally be the worst hell imaginable. But as a kid I kind left it at "oohh spooky"!
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:52 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 41quote:We wandered around the edge of our new universe, keeping the blank whiteness on our right as we went. Some of this might be Elfangor's bias, obviously, but it seems pretty obvious the Yeerk homeworld is a lot more barren than either the Andalite or Human homeworlds. quote:We skirted around the Yeerk patches. Most of the Earth environment was made up of woods and grass fields. But here and there were human buildings as well. We saw the street where Loren lived. I guess they tie them to their hooves? quote:We walked along a street that appeared in the middle of a field. The street merely began, ran for a few hundred feet, and ended. It made Loren anxious, I could tell. She explained that the street didn’t belong there. So this is obviously horrific, and I think its something people who had read the book before still remember, but I don't know if there's something more in this. Like, the real life version of this guy has been serving Loren and her friends consistently, but to her, he's just "acne guy". I think there's this tendency of not paying attention to service workers....the guy behind the counter at McDonalds, the cashier behind the register at the grocery store. Maybe it's just me who's wondering if that's some of what Applegate is showing here. quote:<The food he has may still be real,> I suggested. <It would help you to eat some human food.> It's possible she sang this song to him quote:But the human food revived Loren. She had her old energy back. And even her sense of humor. I'm kind of impressed Elfangor can identify a hyperspiral by sight. Chapter 42 quote:I led the way toward what I hoped was the center of this universe. The patches of sky grew more varied over our heads. And the patches of different environments grew more numerous. Soon we were walking through a place that was only half Earth, with the rest divided between gentle Andalite countryside and harsh Yeerk lands. So there's a little bit of Andalite history and society there. It also, I think, explains the Andalite military structure, Each clan/family, it looks like, were originally autonomous, with their own grazing land. I could very easily see them forming warrior bands to protect their family against encroachments from neighboring clans, and while war between Andalites clearly isn't a thing anymore, it makes sense they'd use old terms and old patterns when building a national military. quote:“We’re very different, aren’t we?” Loren said. She sounded sad. Wizard of Oz reference, maybe? quote:<The Time Matrix! It should be in there!> I cried. So, they made it into the vortex! Will the Visser be waiting for them? (I mean, you know he will, right?)
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 02:08 |
This is probably the first space opera I experienced outside of Star Wars, and it is fantastic.
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 02:25 |
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I don't know why, but I love the exchange of "That was sarcasm, too." <Yes, I'm beginning to recognise it.>
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 02:52 |
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Epicurius posted:
Yeah, I'm picturing a hoof soaking bag like for first aid, something like a Capri Sun with a ziploc top that you'd prop open and step into.
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 10:49 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 43quote:Into the vortex. That's pretty horrifying in itself, if you think about it. quote:<Stand perfectly still,> I said. <Hold out your hands and don’t move them.> I'll say again, this chapter is horrifying. Chapter 44 quote:The Mortron flew at me! She's propelling corpses at Mortrons. quote:“Softball!” Loren yelled. That's very precise! quote:<Yes. Your face is changing. And I, too, feel myself changing. We must leave. But this time there can only be one person directing the Time Matrix. We have to go somewhere real. Somewhere that is a part of the true universe.> This is the debate we had earlier, and this is, I think, what the book is about, and maybe even what the series is about. quote:<Yes. That’s exactly what I mean. I can’t give my people the Time Matrix. And I can’t let the Yeerks have it, either. And it cannot be destroyed, only hidden.> I like this line...it's just a completely realistic and yet hopeless admission. quote:She smiled with her human mouth. “Then I’ll take care of driving the Time Matrix. Let’s go.” So, they made it to Earth. Not much more of this book now.
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# ? Dec 4, 2020 04:22 |
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Epicurius posted:That's very precise! Yeah but remember when you're a teenager, each lived year and each anticipated year lasts for about five years. I feel like my adult life, even the Plague Year, is just whipping by. Also this scene with the baseball bat reminds me of a much darker baseball bat scene about ten books from now.
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# ? Dec 4, 2020 08:45 |
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Epicurius posted:That's pretty horrifying in itself, if you think about it. Yup, that's the main thing I remembered from this book. And the ending.
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Epicurius posted:The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 43 This, I think, we can both agree on. I believe Ax says it outright later on.
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