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On the news they were saying these vaccines likely only protect you for up to 6 months. I guess I was vaccine dumb and thought it was for life or something. So we will need to take these shots every 6 months forever? I would imagine most health care companies will require you to have the vaccine or you go on the list like smokers who have to pay an extra monthly fee of $100. Likely more than that $200-400 extra per month? Until you can prove you got the vaccine/quit smoking.
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Philthy posted:On the news they were saying these vaccines likely only protect you for up to 6 months. I guess I was vaccine dumb and thought it was for life or something. So we will need to take these shots every 6 months forever?
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my hope is that after the first one while some people who have immune system problems or other issues might need boosters, for most other people it just becomes like one of the other common coronaviruses that you generally don't notice
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ben shapino posted:so the placebo killed a guy? died of placebo or with placebo??
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Dec 1, 2020 20:57
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Tagra posted:I really did think Twitter was all Russian bots or propaganda machines of some sort until I saw the videos of people banging on election centers chanting "Stop the count". There really are that many people who truly believe these things... Repeat ANYTHING enough times loud enough, people will believe it.
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just lol if the well deserved obliteration of the US health insurance industry comes about, not because they cheerfully left their clients to die, but because "aint no doomcorp makin me take the alien microwhatsit injections"
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Strategic Tea posted:just lol if the well deserved obliteration of the US health insurance industry comes about, not because they cheerfully left their clients to die, but because "aint no doomcorp makin me take the alien microwhatsit injections" That's actually a good point. Do insurance companies treat lack of vaccinations like smoking? Refuse coverage or upping rates due to not having it?
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Dec 1, 2020 21:23
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pro starcraft loser posted:That's actually a good point. Do insurance companies treat lack of vaccinations like smoking? Refuse coverage or upping rates due to not having it? Will it make them more money forcing them to take the vaccine / paying $100+ a month if they dont or having the people sit in a hospital for 30 days costing them 10+M per person?
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Dec 1, 2020 21:25
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Philthy posted:Will it make them more money forcing them to take the vaccine or having the people sit in a hospital for 30 days? Denying coverage because they didn't get vaccinated for (whatever) will probably be more profitable.
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wesleywillis posted:Denying coverage because they didn't get vaccinated for (whatever) will probably be more profitable. They wont be legally able to deny coverage. They can add "discounts" if you have the vaccine and don't smoke. Meaning, they raise all the rates across the board and then it goes back to normal with "discounts" for the people who get vaccinated / quit smoking. They all did this with smoking about 10 years or so back. At least for my heath coverage. It was going to jump $100 for everyone. But if you didn't smoke you got $100 off per month.
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Philthy posted:On the news they were saying these vaccines likely only protect you for up to 6 months. I guess I was vaccine dumb and thought it was for life or something. So we will need to take these shots every 6 months forever? The media has butchered the reporting on anything science, from everything I've seen. They continually take a scientific position of "We have no evidence x happening" and turn it into "x doesn't happen." Scientists won't tell you immunity will last x years until it's been x years since the first chunk of people in their study got COVID and have been retested. Every study I've seen posted has indicated that immunity looks like it will be fairly long lasting. Whether that means a few years, decades, or lifetime remains to be seen, but it's not a binary thing so even if you somehow catch COVID again in five years you might have a lot more mild effects. quote:I would imagine most health care companies will require you to have the vaccine or you go on the list like smokers who have to pay an extra monthly fee of $100. Likely more than that $200-400 extra per month? Until you can prove you got the vaccine/quit smoking. If they could get away with increasing fees for bad choices, a COVID booster would likely be fairly far down the line. CarlosTheDwarf posted:Theres a new article on CNN, which now I can't easily find, that makes it sound like the vaccine won't be widely available for a long time. Maybe July. I'm 45, was really hoping to get it in March. July seems pessimistic to me. I imagine they're going off of numbers if we're only using the two mRNA vaccines that look likely to be approved. Johnson and Johnson and Oxford seem to have a much larger capacity (and perhaps already have a large stockpile?) and may get approved early next year. In all likelihood doctors will still recommend people who tested positive get the shot, but I doubt most people in that position are going to be begging to be in the front of the line given what we know about immunity so far. Snowglobe of Doom posted:https://twitter.com/kyamamura/status/1333519939924152320
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Philthy posted:They wont be legally able to deny coverage. They can add "discounts" if you have the vaccine and don't smoke. Meaning, they raise all the rates across the board and then it goes back to normal with "discounts" for the people who get vaccinated / quit smoking. They all did this with smoking about 10 years or so back. At least for my heath coverage. It was going to jump $100 for everyone. But if you didn't smoke you got $100 off per month. Reminds me of a colleague who has private health insurance (in the UK, so extremely optional and basically a luxury) who got a 'discount' for wearing those fitness monitor watches. Literally you must pay extra for the privilege of not wearing active spyware tracking your location and heartbeat 
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I still need the feeling to remind you that rational people can actually oppose these new hastened vaccinations because of a very recent and very real concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_vaccine#Pandemrix-related_increase_of_narcolepsy_in_Finland_and_Sweden Obviously all adults in the critical sectors will get that one to be able to function, but there will be a period where non-mandatory people will just sit out and wait, especially if they are less than 20 year old. EDIT: These people are not against vaccinations per say, but they are absolutely against hastened and not-mass population-tested vaccinations because what happened last time. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Just Another Lurker posted:FFS i liked that lad and now he's just another bloody hypocrite. Literally anyone on youtube is a hypocrite and all are bad.
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Do US states have the right to prevent travel from other states? Because I'm thinking of a near future scenario where the vaccine is widely available but some states have crazy low levels of vaccination because Republicans so they end up being virus "hot spots". Meanwhile more sane states will have it under control and maybe they won't let people in from the idiot states? Is that even possible?
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They could but not likely because even the strictest states don't seem to give too many fucks these days. The fact that airlines are still flying says it all.
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FiskTireBoy posted:Do US states have the right to prevent travel from other states? Because I'm thinking of a near future scenario where the vaccine is widely available but some states have crazy low levels of vaccination because Republicans so they end up being virus "hot spots". Meanwhile more sane states will have it under control and maybe they won't let people in from the idiot states? Is that even possible? Philthy posted:They could but not likely because even the strictest states don't seem to give too many fucks these days. The fact that airlines are still flying says it all. I think that's something that might fall under the federal government, specifically congress, via the commerce clause, but IANAL so I dunno what weird moon law applies to who can really say who can and can't cross state borders.
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i am harry posted:Literally anyone on youtube is a hypocrite and all are bad. i will not have you slander ulillillia like that
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My biggest fear about the covid vaccine is that its going to hurt when they inject it into my penis
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The Scientist posted:My biggest fear about the covid vaccine is that its going to hurt when they inject it into my penis I hear it makes your dong giant.
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Side effect: poo poo, cum, puke at the same time.
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teen witch posted:Honestly make me look like loving Pinhead with the vaccines, hell if I could trial them I would. Stanford university is trialing an oral vaccine pill, they're looking for volunteers, sfchronicle has an article about it with the email to enroll
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wilderthanmild posted:I think that's something that might fall under the federal government, specifically congress, via the commerce clause, but IANAL so I dunno what weird moon law applies to who can really say who can and can't cross state borders. The interstate highways are federal property so states can't prevent the use of those. They could put checkpoints on the exits but there are just too many. Best they could do is just make it illegal and hope that deters some people. E: this also has interesting consequences for traveling with guns, where for example you can legally travel through NJ with a loaded gun in your car if you stay on the interstate, but if you go off it instantly becomes a felony. human garbage bag fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Dec 2, 2020 |
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Remember the swingers party in New Orleans in November? 41 positive cases out of 300 attendees. The organizer wrote a blog post justifying why they did it, and then eschews all responsibility. Like, he genuinely doesn't seem to get why it's his fault. "You see, we have no idea how many people got tested after our event, nor if anyone tested positive and didn’t tell us. There could also be people that are positive, but without symptoms, so they never got tested." Yeah dude. We all knew that. That's why you don't hold these kinds of events.
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human garbage bag posted:The interstate highways are federal property so states can't prevent the use of those. They could put checkpoints on the exits but there are just too many. Best they could do is just make it illegal and hope that deters some people. Some states have checkpoints for checking for produce that might be carrying pests. Maybe that same line of justification could be used to ask people to present proof of having had a vaccination.
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wilderthanmild posted:I think that's something that might fall under the federal government, specifically congress, via the commerce clause, but IANAL so I dunno what weird moon law applies to who can really say who can and can't cross state borders. Here in Australia they closed the borders without much trouble whenever a state had a breakout (there were always people trying to sneak across and getting grabbed by the cops, and some state and federal politicians screaming OPEN THE BORDERS because of the loss of commerce, and media frenzies when politicians made exceptions for Hollywood actors or whatever but that was all pretty much expected) but idiot billionaire Clive Palmer got his knickers in a twist because he wanted to cross a state border and they wouldn't grant him an exemption even though he is very rich and therefore rules should not apply to him so he tried suing that state under Section 92 of the Australian constitution which guarantees movement between states. Lawyers for the state went "Hey there's a pandemic on and closing the border is reasonable and necessary, plus there's over 70 years of precedent against Section 92 backing this up" and the High Court judge ruled on the case and pretty much went "Yeah that's all pretty obvious, gently caress you Clive, pay the court costs." Note that this is the same idiot billionaire who bought 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine back in April and donated them to the Australian stockpile and the doctors went "Uh thanks, I guess this will come in handy if we have a malaria outbreak?????"
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The Scientist posted:My biggest fear about the covid vaccine is that its going to hurt when they inject it into my penis Well, at least it doesn't result in sterilizing immunity...
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Philthy posted:Side effect: poo poo, cum, puke at the same time. Back in 2017 I had a pneumonia so bad I pissed and puked on the floor at the same time from coughing so hard. If the vaccine makes me cum too, I'll take it. I already regret typing this but I'm gonna post anyway.
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One of my friends in the UK just polled his friends and 70% are not having it. If that or anything like it happens country wide, what will happen??? It’s so frustrating what social media has done to us.
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Bape Culture posted:One of my friends in the UK just polled his friends and 70% are not having it. Thankfully that's not representative of the general UK population.  However the fall globally due to misinformation is a real concern.
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It's horrible of me but I'm kind of looking forward to the deaths spiking, if only to see the idiots scramble to explain it.
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North Dakota shooting for that high score https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1333822333681889280
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Bape Culture posted:One of my friends in the UK just polled his friends and 70% are not having it. It's of necessarily social media. If accepting something is contingent on trusting the government, and the government has enacted one fuckup after another, continuously, for several years...
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Atopian posted:It's of necessarily social media. Isn’t it a bit weird that the majority of anti science, anti mask, anti vax people are right wing? They want authoritarianism but not for anything positive as far as I can tell. Strange times.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:North Dakota shooting for that high score According to worldometer, they're 8th in deaths/million so a little way to go yet. New jersey is around 1 in 500
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:According to worldometer, they're 8th in deaths/million so a little way to go yet. New jersey is around 1 in 500 Yeah but New Jersey blew their load early on and just aren't putting in the same effort in these days  North Dakota are workin' hard on pushing their numbers 
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We're in for some good lols this month as theres bound to be lots of covid-denier gop politicans getting caught buying & bullying their way to the head of the vaccine queue.
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compshateme85 posted:Remember the swingers party in New Orleans in November? 41 positive cases out of 300 attendees. The organizer wrote a blog post justifying why they did it, and then eschews all responsibility. Like, he genuinely doesn't seem to get why it's his fault. Notice how many of the sentences start with "I". Narcissism turns out to be deadly in a pandemic.
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FiskTireBoy posted:Do US states have the right to prevent travel from other states? Because I'm thinking of a near future scenario where the vaccine is widely available but some states have crazy low levels of vaccination because Republicans so they end up being virus "hot spots". Meanwhile more sane states will have it under control and maybe they won't let people in from the idiot states? Is that even possible? People from Wisconsin are not allowed in Chicago.
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