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bus hustler posted:There was never anything wrong with a prebuilt when things were competitive, but now that you basically can't get parts if you want a computer (and I have a 13 day off-from-work stretch after CP2077 launches, I know) they are honestly pretty strong if you can get and want modern parts. This has a lot of truth to it. To be fair, yes we are in the PC building megathread, not the PC buying megathread, so I can kind of get why people are defensive about it, but some of the hate a prebuilt gets is a little unnecessary. Especially right now. It's basically impossible to get certain parts unless you are able to monitor the Discord drop servers constantly. I have been for over a week now and apart from yesterday and the first day I tried, every part i've tried to buy has been purchased by the time I can click on the link and complete the transaction. Right now, if you want a PC and don't want to struggle to buy it, a prebuilt is a pretty good way to go. Peace of mind, saved time, etc, all make sense. If you can afford to pay an extra $400-$500 for someone else to build your PC, then by all means, go for it.
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The problem with prebuilds is that if you view them with a critical eye, they always cut corners in really loving stupid ways and/or overcharge you for basic poo poo. I haven't found a single exception to this rule. HOWEVER, as a practical matter these aren't real-world problems for most users. So if our hypothetical prebuilt  shitbox has a 1,000W 80+ What has gotten better is that more of them just use standard parts, even if they're bad and dumb specific choices, rather than bespoke cut down mobos with negative 900 series chipsets you can't buy retail. The trap with building your own PC is becoming a perfectionist dildo like me who can't stand knowing They Did Some Dumb poo poo instead of just plugging in the box and watching it do its thing 95% as well. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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sean10mm posted:The problem with prebuilds is that if you view them with a critical eye, they always cut corners in really loving stupid ways and/or overcharge you for basic poo poo. I haven't found a single exception to this rule. yeah thats it i didnt want to say it but basically the sensitive nerds need to let it go when someone is being SUB OPTIMAL. especially if the prebuilt isnt a ripoff but just "more than they need." absolutely people should step in and point out specific issues with parts, known warranty issues, etc. its also tough because while they do cheap out on PSUs, they actually have a lot of loving warranty data and if it was cheaper to get better PSUs... they would! they're optiplexes but at work we own essentially a farm of regular rear end optiplex desktops running 2080supers. they all work! i dunno i get kind of weird when someone is buying a GPU they dont need but then gets a lecture about buying too much GPU they dont need, etc. but then we have people wanting to buy on credit which is also a bad idea 
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sean10mm posted:The trap with building your own PC is becoming a perfectionist dildo like me who can't stand knowing They Did Some Dumb poo poo instead of just plugging in the box and watching it do its thing 95% as well. I am this way about so many things, so I totally understand you. My partner was just pointing out the soft costs of me spending 5-10 hours or more picking parts and obsessing over shipping schedules and all that and the difference in price is less than what I'd bill someone for that much of my time. I think I'm going to choose based on the chip and my comfort level on price, then. I know the OP says the Ryzen 5 3600 is the current sweet spot, but I don't mind spending a little more to get something beefier if those $ are well spent. That's the bottleneck that's the biggest pain to upgrade, so it's where I'm most inclined to be picky. The Amazon filter for their systems shows the following chips. Is there a quick and dirty ranking of good bang for the buck in comparing them? Should I just spend what I can afford and stick to the Ryzen for now? It looks like the current sets follow the "bigger number is better," but I know all of that stuff is intentionally muddled and confusing. AMD FX AMD Ryzen 3 AMD Ryzen 5 AMD Ryzen 7 AMD Ryzen 9 Intel Core i3 Intel Core i5 Intel Core i7 Intel Core i9
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Edit for above: extremely quick and dirty list of cpus to look for: R5 3600 best value w/good performance R5 5600x best gaming without overspending R7 3700 as good as 3600 if you can get it for similar price/slightly more i7-10700k pretty good only if same priced or cheaper than r5600x i5-10600k better than 3600 slightly but only worth it if similar price bus hustler posted:There was never anything wrong with a prebuilt when things were competitive, but now that you basically can't get parts if you want a computer (and I have a 13 day off-from-work stretch after CP2077 launches, I know) they are honestly pretty strong if you can get and want modern parts. Just for some perspective I built a pc with this thread the year I regged and at that time you would get dragged a lot harder if you said you were too busy to shop around and build it yourself lol That happens to some degree with any enthusiast hobby we have a thread for to be fair (I remember someone in the TV thread making GBS threads on anyone who couldn't pull the board out of their tv and resolder dead capacitors themselves around the time I bought my first non goodwill TV) but it was especially loud here. Anyway actual question, is it worth it to spend an extra $15 to go for the 3600mhz ram over the 3200mhz for a ryzen 3600 system on a b450 board? It seems trivial but I know some systems see zero benefit out of faster ram so I could save that $15 for sexy maid outfit dlc or whatever Wowporn fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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bus hustler posted:not great word choice here Hey, please don't do this. Thank you. Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Also "optimal self build choices" can turn into "just because I wanna" real quickly. For instance the PC I just built for myself isn't *really* optimal, and I paid more in some areas than  BEEP BOOP OPTIMIZE COMPLETE would say to do because I felt like it, but in PC building terms that's framed as "having fun with" it or whatever instead of being OH GOD PREBUILT RIPOFF HERE WE GO AGAINGeekboy posted:I am this way about so many things, so I totally understand you. What makes this tricky is availability and pricing are extremely unstable for a bunch of these. Ryzen 5 5600X is the best gaming CPU choice, period, provided you can find it in stock for the $300 MSRP. Ryzen 5 3600 is the best bargain gaming CPU choice, IF IF IF you can find it for the price it SHOULD sell for, which is around $200. But there are dildos trying to sell them for $340 which is just... gently caress off. The 5800X, 5900X and 5950X are great if a) you can find them in stock for MSRP and b) they don't break your budget, but if gaming is your focus the extra spent here is probably a mistake vs. spending more on the graphics card. I would still pass on Intel UNLESS you can find them on sale. A 10600K is a worse 5600X A 10700K is a worse 5800X A 10900K is a worse 5900X Intel doesn't make a 5950X competitor. BUT if you can get them for a decent chunk less than their AMD competitor they are still perfectly good CPUs, but again pricing is a moving target here so "it depends." I wouldn't mind buying a 10600K for like $250. e: And don't ask how much time I sunk into figuring out exactly what parts to buy for my build lmao 
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sean10mm posted:Ryzen 5 5600X is the best gaming CPU choice, period, provided you can find it in stock for the $300 MSRP. This is exactly what I was looking for. THANK YOU, GOONS. sean10mm posted:e: And don't ask how much time I sunk into figuring out exactly what parts to buy for my build lmao I won't ask you this and you won't ask me how much time I've spent watching model kit reviews.
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Wowporn posted:Anyway actual question, is it worth it to spend an extra $15 to go for the 3600mhz ram over the 3200mhz for a ryzen 3600 system on a b450 board? It seems trivial but I know some systems see zero benefit out of faster ram so I could save that $15 for sexy maid outfit dlc or whatever 3600 CL16 is the best "plug and play" RAM speed for Ryzen. Just remember to turn on XMP after you install it.  It's not a huge difference vs. 3200 CL16 (and usually tied with 3200 CL14, but that's expensive too usually) but it's there. I'd spend $15 on it, sure.
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It's been a while since I built a gaming rig and am in the market to build a "console killer" small form factor machine to hook up to my 4K big screen. I know a lot of killer GPU stuff has come out recently, what is the latest hotness for 4K gaming at a not-insane price point?
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i found the hunting for parts to be a fun part of the process so i don't really view it as sunk cost or time that i could spend doing X
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cr0y posted:It's been a while since I built a gaming rig and am in the market to build a "console killer" small form factor machine to hook up to my 4K big screen. I know a lot of killer GPU stuff has come out recently, what is the latest hotness for 4K gaming at a not-insane price point? Your only good options for 4k gaming on high/ultra settings now is a RTX 3080 or 3090 which will set you back $700-$1200 and that is if you can find them. As for CPU you can get a 3700X if your only goal is "better than consoles."
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i found the hunting for parts to be a fun part of the process so i don't really view it as sunk cost or time that i could spend doing X Same, but that's just in line with PC building these days being something I do as a hobby, rather than something I do because it's the only thing that makes sense. Back in the 2000s I was a heavy computer user who was also a poor student who needed to find an affordable way to replace computers that more or less became totally unusable after 3-4 years. Then I built an i5-2500k machine in 2011, and honestly I could still be using that today and it would still be tolerable for many of my needs. Yet I still built a new machine in early 2016, and am building another one now. This is despite the fact that I'm now a working adult making good money, that pre-builts aren't awful anymore, and that my computers are still extremely usable when I decide to replace them. This isn't about necessity or financial stringency anymore, it's about wanting nice things and enjoying the process of fully owning the process of sourcing, building, and maintaining my machine. But for someone who isn't into this as a hobby, god all of this probably just sounds like a total pain in the rear end. Kefit fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Is there a dischord channel for rtx 3000s hunting at this point?
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Veskit posted:Is there a dischord channel for rtx 3000s hunting at this point? Here's the tracker I used to snag my 3070. https://discord.gg/Dghrpab97Q
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Your only good options for 4k gaming on high/ultra settings now is a RTX 3080 or 3090 which will set you back $700-$1200 and that is if you can find them. As for CPU you can get a 3700X if your only goal is "better than consoles." The 3080 is the perfect card when it comes to performance for money, but that also makes it impossible to get right now. You could go on Amazon or Ebay and spend the $400-$500 its going for above MSRP, but at that point i'd say just buy a 3090. Those, because they are stupidely expensive and a bit of an overkill, are at least possible to find. You still need to be ready to buy one when it drops and be on Discord, but they don't sell out instantly like 3070s or 3080s. Veskit posted:Is there a dischord channel for rtx 3000s hunting at this point? https://discord.gg/PY4MGX3r https://discord.gg/z7uFsN8A Are the two I use.
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Boxman posted:Here's the tracker I used to snag my 3070. Ty ty
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Kefit posted:But for someone who isn't into this as a hobby, god all of this probably just sounds like a total pain in the rear end. FWIW, this is exactly what it is. Even if it was just finding all the exact right parts and putting in a single order at NewEgg or Tiger Direct, that would still be fun. I just don’t have the time and energy to track who has what in stock. It sounds kind of fun and I totally get the appeal, but it’s like hearing someone describe Dark Souls vs playing it for me: I recognize and acknowledge that this is fun and good. But, no thanks.
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I would not say its fun right now. The poor and lower class aren’t considering new hardware unless its a must but the middle and upper class have insatiable demand for anything of quality. Even a12x25 fans are sold out and getting scalped on amazon.
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Wowporn posted:
I dont disagree with that Im just trying to be nice about it. Also I hope nobody thinks this is an angry derail just discussing. I think it's gotten a little harder again - BIOS flashbacks, B550 doesn't support zen1 or zen+ chips natively but also needs a flash to support the zen3 chips lol. We are legit seeing GPU cables burn out if they're installed wrong. No parts are available at all. I will probably never, ever buy a prebuilt. I love speccing out systems, & I love pretending I got a deal, and I love to buy used/garage sale stuff. spunkshui posted:Even a12x25 fans are sold out and getting scalped on amazon. people are posting in stock notices for modular PSU cables
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A lot of it is just the current stock issue, the release of new product coupled with demand for that new product and the age of bots/scalpers we live in. If you could just go onto a website and buy the part you wanted, of course it would be the best way and enjoyable. Right now that's just not the case. It's frustrating when you want Part A, Part B and Part C for your new build but can't get them because bots are buying them up to stick on Ebay for an extra $300-$400. If it wasn't like that, and it usually isn't, things would be perfectly fine. This has happened in the past and some parts were super difficult to find because everyone and their dad wanted to build PC's to mine bitcoins with, then it stopped for a bit and now it's twice as bad as it's ever been.
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bus hustler posted:We are legit seeing GPU cables burn out if they're installed wrong. No parts are available at all. I'm sorry what? Aren't they keyed? How is it even possible to install that wrong.
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Geekboy posted:FWIW, this is exactly what it is. Even if it was just finding all the exact right parts and putting in a single order at NewEgg or Tiger Direct, that would still be fun. I just don’t have the time and energy to track who has what in stock. It sounds kind of fun and I totally get the appeal, but it’s like hearing someone describe Dark Souls vs playing it for me: I recognize and acknowledge that this is fun and good. But, no thanks. Finding stock was easy back in 2019. It was fun just researching on what's the best bang for buck because there were so many good choices. It's all different now and you take what you can get.
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https://www.newegg.ca/msi-trident-as-10sc-1066ca/p/N82E16883152661 So my friend wants to buy a computer despite my insistence that he can save money building it himself. He's set himself a 2k buy limit and is asking me for advice, this build being his current question. The PSU seems rather low at 450 watts. Any other points or recommended pre builds i can suggest to him?
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I get major retail therapy from speccing out and comparing endless parts but this thing where literally every GPU on the market is sold out or hugely scalped is pretty lame, I'm hoping it will be at least a little less lovely in like a month cause following stock drops 24/7 does not fit well with my lifestyle
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Wowporn posted:I get major retail therapy from speccing out and comparing endless parts but this thing where literally every GPU on the market is sold out or hugely scalped is pretty lame, I'm hoping it will be at least a little less lovely in like a month cause following stock drops 24/7 does not fit well with my lifestyle I thought I would too but I just have anxiety now from waiting for everything to ship (and potentially loving up the rig I just built trying to get my 3060 in there...)
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Boxman posted:I'm sorry what? Aren't they keyed? How is it even possible to install that wrong. People using 1 PSU cable split to 2 GPU 8-pin connectors are seeing them overload and melt. Not super widespread but someone posted their burned out 3080 on reddit. I just think we hit a Zen moment a few years ago where PC building was cheap and easy. It's still pretty easy. But cases have gotten smaller, GPUs bigger, parts more expensive & less available. Not trying to turn this into the "DONT BUILD" thread, but definitely acknowledging the golden age is gone. bus hustler fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.newegg.ca/msi-trident-as-10sc-1066ca/p/N82E16883152661 This is impressively bad. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...f4-d687ac69f330 5 mins of looking on 1 website Better everything and lower price. https://youtu.be/Gz7WMF4wWko This is a good watch. Long but good. spunkshui fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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spunkshui posted:This is impressively bad. https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-strix-gaming-pc-black-amd-ryzen-5-3600x-1tb-hdd-512gb-ssd-16gb-ram-geforce-rtx-2060-super/14431177 So he's in Canada so that changes things, but this looks like the same drat system for less money
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bus hustler posted:https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-strix-gaming-pc-black-amd-ryzen-5-3600x-1tb-hdd-512gb-ssd-16gb-ram-geforce-rtx-2060-super/14431177 That looks better than what I have now. Granted I built mine in 2016 and have only recently had money to do some incremental updates. Even without the markdown thats well within his budget.
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Did I see this posted here? I missed it, if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfASASNLgIk tl;dw - RTX 3060Ti outperforms a 2080 Super and the RX6800 and around 2x the performance of a 1070.
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Great so we can expect the 2080 super to be in stock and drop to around $329 soon  (the edibles are kicking in)
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Even lower end hardware is out of stock right now, and this is super frustrating. I'm having a hell of a time finding a 3200G or 3400G in stock at MSRP. I've even considered changing the kids builds to a 3100/3300 plus a 1650 GPU, but can't find any of those anywhere either. I refuse to pay scalpers, so PC's for the kids might have to wait.
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10/29/2020 for the 3070. 10/042020 for the 3080.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Did I see this posted here? I missed it, if so: Newegg just dropped like 5-6 combo deals with the 3060ti too. I might have gotten 1, so lets see if I get that cancellation email. Edit: 3070 and 3080 are being dropped at 7:20PM EST. So get on and get ready and maybe you'll get one. https://twitter.com/newegg/status/1334651221538271232?s=21 They are getting slammed so new time is 7:20 for 3070 and 7:30 for 3080 ShowTime fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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