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Pine Cone Jones posted:So I've been hearing stuff about the 230 repeal gaining traction because donny is upset, is there any actual news to this? Doubtful. People in cspam said it would destroy our internet infrastructure or some poo poo.
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CainFortea posted:They're usually the same consequence actually. I'm listening, I'm interested in the physics discovery I guess we've made here. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-02/the-rate-of-pedestrians-injured-by-bicyclists-is-going-down, contrast that with cars. It's rather telling that none of the people ranting the most about bikes here gets upset with dangerous driving or the social & environmental consequences of excessive vehicle traffic. I guess you like contributing to climate change & dead kids. Flying_Crab fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Dec 3, 2020 |
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Dec 3, 2020 22:33
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mlmp08 posted:Motorists angry about bicyclists while failing to see car problems are analogous to men whose pet issue is that maybe a woman will lie about DV or assault or something. 
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Dec 3, 2020 22:34
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Pine Cone Jones posted:So I've been hearing stuff about the 230 repeal gaining traction because donny is upset, is there any actual news to this? Literally zero traction. The NDAA is the closest thing to hallowed ground that there is left (Democrats like functioning government, Republicans like defense spending). Congress responded to the 230/Confederate veto threat by literally just debuting the conferenced bill. Republican Senators are basically saying "not the time/place, you dumb gently caress". Even Rand Paul just put out a "reform 230, not kill 230" statement. The goal of Republicans is to complain about 230 forever and never touch it. Donnie isn't understanding that background. It's unclear if Donnie will actually veto the NDAA, or if Congress would override the veto. Tune in tomorrow!
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Flying_Crab posted:I'm listening, I'm interested in physics discovery I guess we've made here. You’re likely to get a very stupid answer that “well actually, the most likely outcome for both is no one gets hit,” because that would be a disingenuous way of technically being correct.
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Dec 3, 2020 22:36
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Holy gently caress shut up
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Dec 3, 2020 22:37
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Flying_Crab posted:I'm listening, I'm interested in the physics discovery I guess we've made here. What's confusing about it? A cyclist runs a red light and gets hit by a car, cyclist is severely injured or dead. A motorist run a red light and hits a cyclist, cyclist is severely injured or dead. Its weird that I have to spell this out so clearly. It's also super duper weird how bike people literally only pay attention to motorists complaining about bikers and ignore any other complaint they hear about other motorists.
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Dec 3, 2020 22:39
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Holy gently caress shut up No, it’s super important to highlight
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Dec 3, 2020 22:40
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If this conversation was a guy on a bicycle I’d be rooting for the car
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Dec 3, 2020 22:42
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Don't worry, self driving cars will ALSO solve the bicycle problem!
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Dec 3, 2020 22:47
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Woofer posted:If this conversation was a guy on a bicycle I’d be rooting for the car Sorry. Motorists outnumber cyclists and kill thousands per year, but in spite of that they’re still too fragile to quietly accept that maybe they aren’t great drivers and that better things are possible. It does get tedious.
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Dec 3, 2020 22:47
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Allowing cyclists to open carry and stand their .
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Dec 3, 2020 22:51
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We can go back and forth trading stories about that time you got stuck behind a bunch of Middle Aged Males in Lycra (MAMIL- this is actually a thing and no one likes them, but even other cyclists or Jesus) or that time some rear end in a top hat on a fixie blew through a stop sign and almost hit someone, but I think we can all agree that a bike vs car collision is much less worse than a car vs bike one. Every time I’ve nearly been killed by a car, it has been when I’ve been following the law to a T. Now I ride aggressively to increase my own visibility, and therefore, survivability. I blow kisses and give thumbs up to pissed off drivers who were inconvenienced for 10 seconds when I took the lane to pass some rear end in a top hat double parked in the bike lane.
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Dec 3, 2020 22:58
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Pine Cone Jones posted:So I've been hearing stuff about the 230 repeal gaining traction because donny is upset, is there any actual news to this? A follow-up, here's how seriously Congress is taking Donnie's veto threat on the NDAA: https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1334619518698655747
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pantslesswithwolves posted:We can go back and forth trading stories about that time you got stuck behind a bunch of Middle Aged Males in Lycra (MAMIL- this is actually a thing and no one likes them, but even other cyclists or Jesus) or that time some rear end in a top hat on a fixie blew through a stop sign and almost hit someone, but I think we can all agree that a bike vs car collision is much less worse than a car vs bike one. I drive more than I ride, but the bottom line is that it is incredibly easy to be a courteous driver and also to have a general understanding of risk. That won't protect you from the time you gently caress up and just don't see something, but I promise that if a bicyclist jumps a curb or something, they don't also cast a vampiric curse that steals your life source or your wallet. Motorists kill doggos at insane levels compared to bicyclists, too. Maybe if we had better transportation options less doggos would get killed by commuters and drunked rivers.
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Dec 3, 2020 23:15
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Every time I’ve nearly been killed by a car, it has been when I’ve been following the law to a T. Now I ride aggressively to increase my own visibility, and therefore, survivability. I blow kisses and give thumbs up to pissed off drivers who were inconvenienced for 10 seconds when I took the lane to pass some rear end in a top hat double parked in the bike lane. This. I've had someone doing extreme Karening try and hit me with her car deliberately for riding my bike how the law specified, and I've seen other cyclists hit intentionally. Last year a friend of mine was killed by a car while walking, I'm a dick about this for a reason.
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Dec 3, 2020 23:17
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facialimpediment posted:A follow-up, here's how seriously Congress is taking Donnie's veto threat on the NDAA: Well that's certainly good. A friend of mine was freaking out a bit over the idea of a repeal.
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Dec 3, 2020 23:20
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1334629500164902912?s=19
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Dec 3, 2020 23:48
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Great way to get trump to spite fire him.
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:It really annoys me how many “libertarians” I know that defend what he does as just part of the political process. I had one try to gaslight me when I called it pushing towards fascism. I pointed out multiple reasons (jail opponents, suppress minority groups, abolish free press) and he still was like “well that’s not fascism because it doesn’t include socialism.” I wanted to punch him so badly but need to keep my career. Libertarians are just republicans without the sack to admit it
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Dec 4, 2020 00:25
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Milo and POTUS posted:Libertarians are just republicans without the sack to admit it The past four years have proven plenty of libertarians are fascists who just want legal weed and no age of consent.
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Dec 4, 2020 00:31
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Milo and POTUS posted:Libertarians are just republicans without the sack to admit it I don't really like that definition, and this seems to apply in the UK as it does in the US, the conservatives have a lot of libertarians in them (gently caress everything, got mine (or I will do soon!)), but libertarians aren't inherently conservative. They can tag team with any other political party at convenience due to a total lack of any kind of political conviction beyond "gimme".
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So the party of states’ rights wants scotus to legislate state law?
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Woofer posted:So the party of states’ rights wants scotus to legislate state law? Yes, because things didn't go their way.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Yes, because things didn't go their way. This may be Season 7 of House of Cards, but the writing sure seems like it's Season 6.
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Woofer posted:So the party of states’ rights wants scotus to legislate state law? Cases decided as a matter of state law generally are not supposed to be reviewable by SCOTUS, unless certain aspects of those laws are based off of federal law or the federal constitution. It's one of those legal policies that allows them(SCOTUS) to pass when they want to and take the case up when they say they have to. I get the feeling they are gonna pass on this one.
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Hexyflexy posted:I don't really like that definition, and this seems to apply in the UK as it does in the US, the conservatives have a lot of libertarians in them (gently caress everything, got mine (or I will do soon!)), but libertarians aren't inherently conservative. They can tag team with any other political party at convenience due to a total lack of any kind of political conviction beyond "gimme". Hes right. Libertarians originated from the left, looking for free movement of goods and people among other things. The current crop have just cherry picked "freedoms" for themselves and want to say that "I'm a libertarian, not a Republican, and I still voted for Trump because freedom" etc etc. There is a reliance on labeling to identify good and bad, it doesn't matter what the origin of the label was.
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I always thought libertarian had more in common with anarchists than either of our two major parties. E: I guess based on the definitions. In 2020 I just see libertarians as republicans who wanna smoke weed, like someone said earlier.
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Dec 4, 2020 02:29
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They also believe if a teenage girl can speak at the UN she's old enough to have sex with them, and also if she is any other age. They're pro tier garbage people. I feel like this point should never not be emphasized
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Dec 4, 2020 02:34
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There are also a lot of self-identitied libertarians that are basically Bernie-Bros, except for the whole gun and large capacity magazine thing. Seeing a lot more of that in recent years.
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Dec 4, 2020 02:44
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I've never been in danger because some guy on a bicycle got mad at me, yall are whiny as gently caress
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Dec 4, 2020 02:51
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It's amazing how entitled motorists in this country are lmao
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Dec 4, 2020 03:04
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Woofer posted:I always thought libertarian had more in common with anarchists than either of our two major parties. Libertarians are supposed to be sov cits with enough sense to spew their bullshit in soft core language. In practice they are republicans who want to earn imaginary street cred by saying they aren't part of the two party system.
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NYT figured out the redactions on the bribes-for-pardon scheme, a lot of nobodies and Jared Kushner's lawyer. https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1334673609441337344 https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1334679618524241921 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Dec 4, 2020 03:08
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Flying_Crab posted:The consequences of someone running a light as a 200lb bicycle/rider at 12mph vs a 4,000 pound vehicle going 30-50mph are not in any way comparable And yet I have debilitating injuries that result from a series of collisions I received from bike couriers bombing down the street and running me over, so please don't minimize it too much. Now me, I don't drive, much - in fact, I mostly ride public transportation or walk. Yet I've never been hit by a car, but two cyclists have sent me to the hospital as a pedestrian. They hit-and-ran, too - hopped right on their bikes and pedaled off, and I was too injured to get up without assistance. Real fine examples of humanity. The only guy to actually hit me and then proceed to leap out of his vehicle and try to beat me up with a collapsing steel baton was driving a car, though, so there does seem to be a scale involved. I think the answer is y'all both of you need to walk more. Kesper North fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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facialimpediment posted:NYT figured out the redactions on the bribes-for-pardon scheme, a lot of nobodies and Jared Kushner's lawyer. Dumbasses. The trick is to get the potential pardon recipient coverage on Fox News to attract Donald's attention. It worked for the guy who totally didn't attempt to sell photos of the sensitive bits on a nuclear submarine.
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950162&perpage=40&noseen=1 SHUT THE gently caress UP ABOUT BICYCLES
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Hyrax Attack! posted:It was fascinating learning how Italy was straight up defeated by Ethiopia in 1896 and lost 6,000 guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adwa Yup and 40 years later they were still mad so Mussolini made a deal for help with the British which made the French and Ethiopians mad. Then Nazi Germany got into it and was arming the Ethiopians because they were mad about Italy meddling with their affairs in Austria. The Interbellum was a weird time from our post Cold War point of view
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