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Crusader posted:re: next week's preview, as they're showing a refugee from a movie universe, how come there wasn't more lower decks crisis point-style movie poo poo flying around the personal transporters are actually based on Movie Transporter technology 
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It's interesting watching the scores of the episodes slowly creeping down. I will say in this one it was nice to let Detmer actually do something. All the stuff on book's planet felt kinda stupid and too easy - as was said before it definitely felt like two episodes should have been used. Can't say I give a poo poo about space hitler, I hope this is the path to removing her stupid poo poo from the show forever. And I thought the They/Them bit was fine, someone said it was too in your face but it was just a correction then moving on! I wish this crew were in a better written show. Saru/Tilly's scenes are just nice and feel p.star trek, it's just the rest that's stupid. And the use of Book's ship by Saru and Tilly sorta annoyed me because it's doing exactly what they've been reprimanding Burnham for.
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Dec 4, 2020 14:58
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FlamingLiberal posted:I thought Tilly did a decent job as XO at least Tilly wasn't the XO, she was a glorified Secretary.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:14
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Legit question for Star Trek nerds, have Kirk, Picard, Janeway, etc., ever actually suffered lasting consequences from disobeying Starfleet or the Federation? Saru's actions, while dissapointing, seem pretty standard Star Trek fare.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:19
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Legit question for Star Trek nerds, have Kirk, Picard, Janeway, etc., ever actually suffered lasting consequences from disobeying Starfleet or the Federation?
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Dec 4, 2020 15:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:Kirk got his Admiralty stripped away after stealing the Enterprise in TSS Yeah, but he kept his captaincy of the Enterprise, which was what he really wanted. Everyone knew that wasn't a real punishment.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:35
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And Sisko told Worf it was unlikely he'll ever get promoted to Captain because he let that Cardassian die to save Jadzia.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:37
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The cognitive dissonance with Emperor Hitler is getting too much. I can't imagine getting away with treating her the way the crew does if it was literally actual Hitler circa 1945 that got teleported to their time (and she has done worse things than actual Hitler for sure). They should not have made her the Emperor of the TE. Should've just been another Captain like Lorca. Lorca did not spend the entirety of S1 threatening to murder everyone and their families every other line.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:42
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I like the ecology bent of Discovery overall even if its fists are entirely comprised of ham Also amusing that Book's brother turned his head shamefacedly every time you got him with a moral quandry, to the point Book used that against him to disarm his dagger.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:50
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Thom12255 posted:The cognitive dissonance with Emperor Hitler is getting too much. I can't imagine getting away with treating her the way the crew does if it was literally actual Hitler circa 1945 that got teleported to their time (and she has done worse things than actual Hitler for sure). Counterpoint- Lorca was trying to pretend to be the normal universe guy, and needed to be somewhat approachable, and he was still a bit of an arse. Mirror Phillipa had kinda made her peace with losing, and is now in a world with strangers, who she's been trained to expect them all to try and kill her with a moment's weakness. She has no idea how to process the change, so she's exaggerating her walls to keep everyone away from her where she can.
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Dec 4, 2020 15:52
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mehall posted:She has no idea how to process the change, so she's exaggerating her walls to keep everyone away from her where she can. But she was still cartoonishly evil when she was in the Mirror Universe (arguably more so), when there was no reason for it to be an act or exaggeration. Like she enslaved (and ate!) the race of the captain of the ship, that should give anyone pause on whether she should tag along on their space adventures. If they do end up sending her back to the 23rd century I don't get what the point of her being in season 3 was anyway. Wouldn't it have made more sense to just have a 3 minute scene at the end of season 2 where she can say "nah i'm going to hang out with ash". enki42 fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Dec 4, 2020 15:58
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mehall posted:Counterpoint- She's literally murdered and eaten billions of sapient people. And it's played like it's a joke. It'd be fine in lower decks because it's set that sorta scene but not here
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Dec 4, 2020 16:02
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I was extremely turned off by her chuckling over eating Kelpian flesh at Saru's dinner party. I'd have had her thrown in the brig, and checked off every therapy box to be sure she gets a wide-eyed empath hectoring her every waking moment.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:05
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it’s likely another actor contract situation where they’re stuck and don’t really know how to fix the story situation but they can’t jettison the character
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Dec 4, 2020 16:31
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Yep. I’ve said this before, but I suspect the show they initially drafted contracts for is very different from what they’re trying to do now, so they’re stuck with a few actors that are unfortunately billed as leads that actively drag the story down.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:36
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Yeah, but he kept his captaincy of the Enterprise, which was what he really wanted. Everyone knew that wasn't a real punishment. Hell, Janeway got a promotion
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Dec 4, 2020 16:36
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Taear posted:She's literally murdered and eaten billions of sapient people. And it's played like it's a joke. Yeah, people got a little bit too close to Dukat too at times but I never got the impression that they stopped considering him a huge piece of poo poo and monster. The situation with Georgiou is just jarring, she like part of the family now.
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Dec 4, 2020 16:49
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Crusader posted:it’s likely another actor contract situation where they’re stuck and don’t really know how to fix the story situation but they can’t jettison the character FlamingLiberal posted:Yes that is just the only real punishment I can think of
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Dec 4, 2020 16:54
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There's a lot that can be said about this episode, but I think the only thing that needs to be said is how terrible of an actor Ache Hernandez is. EDIT - Wait, they want this dude because he knows they're out of dilithium in a galaxy where the entire strife is that dilithium exploded and is scarce? That's the big secret? Played with a dramatic bass beat? What the hell, who thought that was supposed to be a big deal? Super Deuce fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Dec 4, 2020 17:33
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Brawnfire posted:I was extremely turned off by her chuckling over eating Kelpian flesh at Saru's dinner party. I'd have had her thrown in the brig, and checked off every therapy box to be sure she gets a wide-eyed empath hectoring her every waking moment. ...with food references!
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Dec 4, 2020 17:47
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HD DAD posted:Yep. I’ve said this before, but I suspect the show they initially drafted contracts for is very different from what they’re trying to do now, so they’re stuck with a few actors that are unfortunately billed as leads that actively drag the story down. The Season 3 team needs to find a wormhole to go back to Season 1 to make the show that leads up to Season 3.
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Dec 4, 2020 17:48
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I am not sure if it was the actress or the direction, but I fully expected the Orion leader to demand to speak to the Federation's manager.
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Super Deuce posted:There's a lot that can be said about this episode, but I think the only thing that needs to be said is how terrible of an actor Ache Hernandez is. My understanding is that dilithium is rare but the Emerald Chain wields a lot of power because they hoard enough to move fleets around the quadrant. If that stops being true then the Federation and other players can start pressing on their territories and they wouldn't be able to retaliate.
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Dec 4, 2020 18:05
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Yeah, it's about maintaining face when you're actually crumbling on the inside. Kinda like how the Klingons were so resistant to help after Praxis blew up - even if they need the help, they don't want to acknowledge they do because that gives you an uncomfortable weak spot. For tough guys, you don't want that.quote:I was extremely turned off by her chuckling over eating Kelpian flesh at Saru's dinner party. I'd have had her thrown in the brig, and checked off every therapy box to be sure she gets a wide-eyed empath hectoring her every waking moment. The Golden Gael fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Bilirubin posted:...with food references! Perfect! "Now now Georgiou, you're being a pineapple!"
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:My understanding is that dilithium is rare but the Emerald Chain wields a lot of power because they hoard enough to move fleets around the quadrant. If that stops being true then the Federation and other players can start pressing on their territories and they wouldn't be able to retaliate. Which is fine if it's not what everyone is facing in the scale they are. Let's say there was a report that all oil reserves are gone and only 5% of the current oil the world has or can have is left. It's not a surprise to find out the US doesn't have that much oil, either. Tilly's response should have been, "Yes, and?"
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Super Deuce posted:Which is fine if it's not what everyone is facing in the scale they are. Let's say there was a report that all oil reserves are gone and only 5% of the current oil the world has or can have is left. It's not a surprise to find out the US doesn't have that much oil, either. I think the point is, and I'm speculating because the show hasn't really been clear about it, is that the Emerald Chain has projected that it has a lot of dilithium, by post-Burn standards. That is apparently not true. I don't think it's hard to see why that changes the geopolitical landscape. It's like Germany in 1940 finding out the US can either defend itself or Europe but not both.
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The worst thing about Georgiou is that it seems like in their interactions Michael has completely forgotten who she is and keeps treating her as if she's regular universe Georgiou. Which just makes Michael even more annoying.
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Dec 4, 2020 18:48
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Brawnfire posted:Perfect! Alchenar posted:The worst thing about Georgiou is that it seems like in their interactions Michael has completely forgotten who she is and keeps treating her as if she's regular universe Georgiou. Which just makes Michael even more annoying.
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Dec 4, 2020 19:13
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I mean, I guess Philippa helped save everyone's rear end a few times (as well as all life in the universe). Plus she looks exactly like somebody else they know, so it's not hard to imagine people getting a sort of "we're in the trenches together" feeling/Stockholm syndrome with her. I know this is probably not what the writers intended but it seems somewhat believable to me. Kira got this with Gul Dukat on occasion, but the writers were smart enough to have her realize this was a mistake after a while.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Legit question for Star Trek nerds, have Kirk, Picard, Janeway, etc., ever actually suffered lasting consequences from disobeying Starfleet or the Federation? Picard ruined his life/career for like 14 years after telling Starfleet to get stuffed and was still iced out by his contemporaries and the new kids when he tried to climb back into the boat.
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Dec 4, 2020 19:15
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I thought it was funny that Saru thought he pulled one over by sending out a ship that clearly came out of his federation ship and then that second ship attacks osira or whatever her name is. Then she immediately calls them and says "Yeah, I know it was you, we're going to war now."
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Dec 4, 2020 19:18
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If I were the admiral, I would bust Saru down so hard at this point.
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Dec 4, 2020 19:20
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Dec 4, 2020 19:21
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Drink-Mix Man posted:If I were the admiral, I would bust Saru down so hard at this point. no you see this is totally what will convince the admiral that Michael is right and they need to be more daring and outgoing!!! Fully expect to see Michael as XO again by the end of the season.
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Tarquinn posted:
Was one of the phrases "Manifest"?
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I keep wanting the show to revisit that federation worshiper that Burnam promoted to Chief Communications Liaison or whatever his title was. Admiral: "Burnam, the latest courier download includes question after question from some fellow in the Nutjob System who claims to have been promoted to within the Federation? By you? And now I've got HR bugging me about his status and rank? And this guy has established a network of Federation "operatives" for intelligence? Additionally, this guy has hitched a ride with a courier to come here expecting a briefing? Who is this guy? Burnam, you can't run around the galaxy promoting people to the Federation. It's not how we do things in this timeline."
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i'm kinda ok with the fig leaf attempt at deniability that was in no way plausible immediately failing, as long as the aftermath later isn't inane
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Snow Cone Capone posted:no you see this is totally what will convince the admiral that Michael is right and they need to be more daring and outgoing!!! I thought it was a nice bit of characterization that the admiral wasn't actually opposed to Michael's idea and appreciated that a knee-capped Starfleet necessitated more proactive members. He was just pissed they didn't ask him.
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Cojawfee posted:I thought it was funny that Saru thought he pulled one over by sending out a ship that clearly came out of his federation ship and then that second ship attacks osira or whatever her name is. Then she immediately calls them and says "Yeah, I know it was you, we're going to war now." There should've been an additional scene where Discovery just followed them in warp and blew them up. Admiral Vance is gonna be real mad you did the right thing by protecting those people but also left this mess for everyone else! You gotta take care of the loose ends Saru.
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