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Dienes posted:Or that Georgia, the pecan state, shan't prefer pecan pie. Maybe they're goddamn tired of all those loving pecans.
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I'm from Montana and I've never seen a cranberry pie in my life Well, there, I helped
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Where in Montana though? My mom is from the highline so I've been through several times and sampled many pies, including *checks notes* wait, a cranberry pie? What is that I've never even seen that.
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CapitanGarlic posted:a cranberry pie If there was any confection on earth that deserved to be called a tart...
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Scarodactyl posted:Where in Montana though? My mom is from the highline so I've been through several times and sampled many pies, including *checks notes* wait, a cranberry pie? What is that I've never even seen that. Of all the things on that map, I have no idea what's going on there. Apparently I've lived 18 years across the border from freaks who have heard of the concept. I've visited cranberry farms and never heard of a cranberry pie.
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I grew up eating cranberries in a lot of stuff, but "cranberry pie" is so unfamiliar a concept I would've guessed it was some obscene urban dictionary term.
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I visited goddamn cranberry bogs annually growing up, went to what was basically a cranberry themed theme park and still have never heard of a cranberry pie Though I would definitely eat one if properly made
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https://www.oxo.com/blog/cooking-and-baking/cranberry-mousse-pie-claire-saffitz/ Im going to try this one when I get around to procuring the ingredients, will report back like 20 pages from now when everyone has forgotten about pie chart chat 
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Freaquency posted:https://www.oxo.com/blog/cooking-and-baking/cranberry-mousse-pie-claire-saffitz/ 1.5 cups of sugar and 2 cups of heavy cream. That's going to taste amazing no matter what fruit you put in it
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gey muckle mowser posted:maybe people buying them as gifts and just posting "fast shipping and my aunt loved it!" without ever actually using the candle to give it an actual rating Maybe but that seems to only affect the scented ones. I smell a conspiracy here.
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Scarodactyl posted:Where in Montana though? My mom is from the highline so I've been through several times and sampled many pies, including *checks notes* wait, a cranberry pie? What is that I've never even seen that. Missoula and the Flathead lake area. As for Havre, you can have 'er, oh ho ho ho I mean it's a given that these "Most popular <x>" maps are both poorly/inconsistently curated and that there's a lot of handwaving involved, but I'd think given this one it's a miracle one of the favorite pies wasn't 'green bean'
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Just down the road from Havre, yeah. Great region for pie acuity, but not a cranberry in sight.
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CapitanGarlic posted:Missoula and the Flathead lake area. As for Havre, you can have 'er, oh ho ho ho These maps remind me of the result of high level market research. I contracted for a well regarded market research firm for a few years, and became quite well regarded in North America for doing efficient and well researched work. If you looked closely at the data a lot of the sources were 'Analyst assumption based on associated market factors' which really means 'Ive never used or purchased this kind product before, and had never given it a second thought until I started this project a month ago. But since I'm pretending to be an expert I can pick a number and who's to say I'm wrong? Anyway, apple pie is the favorite in Connecticut (which I honestly couldn't find on a map, because I don't even live in the US), and I say it'll have a 2.1% year on year growth rate to arrive at a 24.3% market share by 2025.' What I'm saying is there's not much difference between an 'expert' researching this poo poo and 'random internet person making poo poo up to troll people'. Outrail has a new favorite as of 14:47 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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Buttchocks posted:Such a missed opportunity for a pentagram. Shameful. As soon as an image tries to place fascism as a 'left' value, it's instantly not credible. Fascism is a far right condition that favors private capitalism, reduced workers rights, and (generally) tends to promote nationalism. Whoever made that original image isn't being academically honest. This is one of the more comprehensive political charts I've been able to run across: 
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Oxphocker posted:As soon as an image tries to place fascism as a 'left' value, it's instantly not credible. Fascism is a far right condition that favors private capitalism, reduced workers rights, and (generally) tends to promote nationalism. Whoever made that original image isn't being academically honest.
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Just lol at the locations of progressivism and mildly disguised naziism
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Yeah how is progressivism more right than liberalism?? Also what the hell is "activism"???
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"National Socialism"
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Oxphocker posted:As soon as an image tries to place fascism as a 'left' value, it's instantly not credible. Fascism is a far right condition that favors private capitalism, reduced workers rights, and (generally) tends to promote nationalism. Whoever made that original image isn't being academically honest. I see you trying to hide in the corner there, National Socialism. Get back over with your brother Fascism right this instant or so help me, I'm going to count to ten.
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ultrafilter posted:Why is liberalism at the center? Liberals are centrists so that seems fine?
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mandatory lesbian posted:Liberals are centrists so that seems fine? Liberals are center-right to right though. Communists - Socialists - Social-democrats - Centrists* - Progressive Liberals - Conservative Liberals - Nazis. * Left from here is considered leftist, right from here rightist, in any sensible European country. European rightist parties will proudly announce they're the liberals, fighting for liberty and less laws, against all the "useless laws" invented by the leftists social democrats and so on. Other than AOC and Sanders, the US has no leftists. The Democrat - Republican line is just a stretched out rightist half of the political spectrum, with some names (and colours!) shifted around in order to confuse people or whatever.
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What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? That's from 2019, and not much has changed then. By a worldwide standard, Democrats are to the left.
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Is that just measuring taking points or actually implemented/introduced legislation?
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ultrafilter posted:What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? I have some bad news for you with in regards to the New York times being a credible voice on anything regarding the left: It's not. That graph is pure asspull. On what planet are the centrist parties from countries with full universal healthcare more to the right of the Democratic party which does not support it? E: Ah, it's a chart of rhetoric in party platforms. Less surprising in that respect, as the Democratic party has been appropriating the language of the left for generations. A graph of material outcomes would look considerably different. Sardonik has a new favorite as of 20:10 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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From the article:quote:These findings are based on data from the Manifesto Project, which reviews and categorizes each line in party manifestos, the documents that lay out a group’s goals and policy ideas. We used the topics that the platforms emphasize, like market regulation and multiculturalism, to put them on a common scale. Wikipedia on the Manifesto Project: quote:The Manifesto Project can be considered one of the most widely used and influential comparative datasets in political science; its importance was recognized in 2003 by the Lijphart/Przeworski/Verba Data Set Award of the American Political Science Association for best data set in political science.
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Sentient Data posted:Is that just measuring taking points or actually implemented/introduced legislation? Literally just implied tone of words on the dems' website, treating it as analogous to a manifesto. If you dig in, their bubble is sitting next to one of those western european nazi-but-not-named-nazi parties. The analysis that produced it was absolute dogshit from top to bottom and anyone who believes an unlabeled graph of subjective values is a brainless moron. They just assign a numeric category to every single sentence, and weight those categories according to how left or right they think it is. For example they deem the full phrase "Under President Obama’s leadership," as a phrase that indicates 305.1 Political Authority: Party Competence a category which they assign a slight left leaning value. Note that they do this in spite of the fact that 305.2 Political Authority: Personal Competence exists, because that assigns a slight right leaning value, and they needed to game the system to fool people like ultrafilter. It's beyond worthless, and you should feel very self-satisfied that you suspected it. Edit: Seriously check out the categories they assign things: https://visuals.manifesto-project.wzb.eu/mpdb-shiny/cmp_dashboard_corpus_doc/(You can't link to specific documents because javascript ruins websites, just look up anything related to dems, it's garbage analysis even within the bunk framework of believing what they say in their platform) ikanreed has a new favorite as of 20:21 on Dec 4, 2020 |
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That chart puts the LibDems about as far left as Corbyn's Labour party. It puts Pelosi/Schumer only slightly to their right. I think it might not be a very good chart, so on topic for the thread I guess.
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If it measures stated policies, then at least it's consistent. Maybe the Democrats are bad at what they do, or are run by people who secretly don't want to do what they say, but they at least feel it's valuable to have a fig-leaf of leftism. Presumably there are other ineffective/dishonest "left-leaning" parties in that list. (Lib-dems? Don't know much about UK politics but they, uh, don't really come off as "left" from what I've seen.) The graph is not necessarily measuring the soul of a party, but it's measuring something. And the reason I offer that weak defense of the chart is that what it really shows isn't that the Democrats are okay (they're not), but that the Republicans aren't even trying to be. They are an absurd party in a global context, and trying to "meet them in the middle" is in no way reasonable.
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According to the breakdown, it doesn't even measure policy, it just measures the flowerness of the language used by the copy editors that the various groups hired. I want to see that tool used on a wide swath of unrelated corporate websites just to see what happens. Hell, pull up archive.org and you could label the chart "How views change over time" even if the core goals/policies of the parties never moved an inch
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Eiba posted:If it measures stated policies. It measures literally every sentence regardless of whether it makes any policy statements. "America is a beautiful country" would be assigned a "nationalism" category, or maybe an environmentalism category, because the assignment is entirely up to the whims of their judges
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Okay, that's pretty stupid on the face of it, and I wouldn't even take obvious messages from it. Welp.
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That sounds extra dumb because, for example, presumably the phrase "preserve our current healthcare system" would be rated the same way in manifestos from two different countries, but it means such dramatically different things depending on what your current system is. If the Democrats say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a right-wing policy, but if Labour in the UK say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a left-wing policy.
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vyelkin posted:That sounds extra dumb because, for example, presumably the phrase "preserve our current healthcare system" would be rated the same way in manifestos from two different countries, but it means such dramatically different things depending on what your current system is. If the Democrats say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a right-wing policy, but if Labour in the UK say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a left-wing policy. They do assign a different competence depending on if they feel the party is leftist or right. So that single sentence would be mapped differently depending on their feelings. Quite the objective measurement here. The dems when campaigning do like to appeal to leftist stuff. Obama won in 08 primaries largely for attacking HRC for he free market approach yet when Obama won the general he went all in on that approach without batting an eye.
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vyelkin posted:That sounds extra dumb because, for example, presumably the phrase "preserve our current healthcare system" would be rated the same way in manifestos from two different countries, but it means such dramatically different things depending on what your current system is. If the Democrats say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a right-wing policy, but if Labour in the UK say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a left-wing policy. It could also be rated in at least two different ways, either emphasizing "preserve" as a right wing value or "healthcare" as a left wing one. And since it's people doing the rating based on ???, you can be sure it's consistent and unbiased.
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vyelkin posted:That sounds extra dumb because, for example, presumably the phrase "preserve our current healthcare system" would be rated the same way in manifestos from two different countries, but it means such dramatically different things depending on what your current system is. If the Democrats say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a right-wing policy, but if Labour in the UK say "preserve our current healthcare system" that's a left-wing policy. Maintaining things as they exist is pretty much the definition of conservatism.
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