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V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

uncop posted:

None of these people care about mass politics in this sense at all. The election boycott strategy's purpose is not really to influence the legitimacy of the state, it's to find people who have lost all belief im liberal democracy and feel a bit of catharsis from seeing politics that loudly agrees with them.

They try to find people that are outside the realm of mainstream leftist organisations and can be organised on different principles. In every country, they just want to find thousands of disgruntled folks that could be convinced to assist fugitives and so on, and hundreds of extremely disgruntled folks who could be convinced to completely subordinate their lives to the cause. Their strategy is to get the guns blazing ASAP and do the mass politics through the army. That's actually why I'm so obsessed with them, rather than any hard ideological agreement. I'm a nerd, and they're interesting.

Of course, in *Norway*, nothing like that is going to happen unless these guys were some kinda unparalleled geniuses compared to their rivals.

the history of norwegian maoism is interesting and i have a fair amount of sympathy for the M-L tendencies of the seventies and eighties here, though they did get killed off by the oil crisis and the advent of the neoliberal consensus, and they had some very bad ideas like self-proletarisation. they got a lot of poo poo done and ushered in a period of serious labour militancy and a fairly strong challenge to the New Leftism of the extant opposition to hegemonic atlanticism - being willing to bite the bullet and just outright support the FNL shifted the terrain in a serious way imo

tjen folket is a weird and perverted ghost of AKP-ml and they keep trying to do stuff that failed for a better-organised group with more sympathy and more members in a much poorer society, and they spend a *lot* of time and effort attacking the rest of the left for reasons that are completely bizarre to 99% of people

i do try to be charitable but these guys are basically a sect and they've done actual appreciable damage to smaller soft-left organisations by doing entryism and raiding them for funds

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# ? May 26, 2024 20:21

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

apropos to nothing posted:

the last thing ill say is, rather than focus on what "The Trots" or whoever else think or do, its much more productive to actually engage with individual parties and what their political program is. if you look at the approach of two "trotskyist" parties today such as the SEP and the IMT, youd prolly find as much if not more separating them in terms of program and orientation than what split what would become the early SWP from the CPUSA in the first place.

if you wanna learn more about the SWP trials there is a book called Socialism on Trial which is solely the courtroom transcript of Cannon's testimony, and on the minneapolis strikes I'd reccomend Farrell Dobb's Teamster Rebellion

i suppose the liberating part ought to be, after every battling faction heretical ends up dead, there cant be heretics no more. except for the posadists obv

# ? Dec 1, 2020 23:39

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

https://twitter.com/notwoofers/status/1333495707098107910?s=21

# ? Dec 2, 2020 04:44

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

GalacticAcid posted:

Gorbachev is described as a revisionist Bourgeois liberal

drat straight

# ? Dec 2, 2020 05:27

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

gorbachev? #BEB

# ? Dec 2, 2020 08:03

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos

comedyblissoption posted:

gorbachev? #BEB

GorbachBEB

# ? Dec 2, 2020 14:45

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

The Gorbachev Pizza Hut ad is still astonishing to watch

# ? Dec 2, 2020 18:44

T-man: Aug 22, 2010; Talk shit, get bzzzt.

anyone born after 1969? BEB

# ? Dec 2, 2020 18:50

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/notwoofers/status/1333495707098107910?s=21

You either die a hero or live long enough to become a revisionist

# ? Dec 2, 2020 18:53

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/notwoofers/status/1333495707098107910?s=21

this was the standing ML line at the time though

# ? Dec 2, 2020 18:56

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

Peanut President posted:

GorbachBEB

BEB!

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:00

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:

You either die a hero or live long enough to become a Genocide Defender

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:01

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

what�s beb

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:40

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

please don�t reply �nothing much what�s beb with you�

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:40

THS: Sep 15, 2017

babes electing biden

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:41

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

indigi posted:

what�s beb

It means Bourgeois Electoral Bullshit, it's a catchphrase from the RevCom guys.

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:44

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

oh thanks. that�s funny

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:47

T-man: Aug 22, 2010; Talk shit, get bzzzt.

indigi posted:

please don’t reply “nothing much what’s beb with you”

turn off your monitor to see BEB

# ? Dec 2, 2020 19:49

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

indigi posted:

please don’t reply “nothing much what’s beb with you”

beb my balls

# ? Dec 2, 2020 20:44

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

I would like to issue a formal apology for my recent statement, it was very unprofessional of me.

# ? Dec 2, 2020 20:45

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

It means Bourgeois Electoral Bullshit, it's a catchphrase from the RevCom guys.

still funny
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1290309692736995328?s=20

# ? Dec 2, 2020 20:49

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

Atrocious Joe posted:

still funny
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1290309692736995328?s=20

Clear proof that it was RevCom that got Joe over the finish line in Georgia and Pennsylvania. If I were Bob, I'd be angling for a lesser cabinet position or at worst a plum ambassador position.

# ? Dec 2, 2020 20:58

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiffTrax/status/1333652047871184896

# ? Dec 2, 2020 23:59

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/jonny290/status/1334242631551918080

lmao

# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:00

T-man: Aug 22, 2010; Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Algund Eenboom posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiffTrax/status/1333652047871184896

local goon made good

# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:10

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Algund Eenboom posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RiffTrax/status/1333652047871184896

lol. why did he get banned anyway

# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:32

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

being fishmech

# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:55

Malleum: Aug 16, 2014; Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?; Buglord

also hosting revenge porn

# ? Dec 3, 2020 00:59

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

oh yeah the giant curated server that was extremely fishmech

# ? Dec 3, 2020 01:05

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Whomst amongst us.

# ? Dec 3, 2020 01:06

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Clear proof that it was RevCom that got Joe over the finish line in Georgia and Pennsylvania. If I were Bob, I'd be angling for a lesser cabinet position or at worst a plum ambassador position.

After Neera Tanden's appointment gets declined by the senate, Biden is gonna compromise by nominating Chairman Bob

# ? Dec 3, 2020 01:19