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Mebh posted:Sorry. Got a dual RCD consumer unit. The right side with the sockets on is tripping. I've unplugged everything in the house. Anything big I plug in causes the right rcd to trip. Left one is fine. Its fine with our phone chargers plugged in. I plugged the router in and sat down on the stairs to read a guide and it suddenly tripped again. Either that or one of the phone chargers is leaking slowly to earth through a lovely capacitor. e: 26 Is the atomic number of iron.
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Do you have an attic with a socket that could be getting leaked on?
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i don't think you can go to the pub and eat four bounty bars
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any work done recently? something like a pinched neutral behind a socket face would produce a fault similar to the one you describe. if everything is kosher the next thing I'd do is ramp test your rcd. as an aside, a neutral earth reverse doesn't reveal itself on an energised circuit and pop the breaker until you plug something into it. that was a fun and certainly not head scratching one to find
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Hm mmm maybe. I've not seen one up there. Even unplugging everything it's just the big devices in any room that flip it. It's a brand new rcd too. Just got it installed in June. So I was reading up on earth leakage. It basically means something somewhere is leaking to earth? And it could basically be anything? On an earth leakage tester quote:This device allows you to test your ELCB by generating an earth leakage current between 10mA and 35mA through a socket outlet. It also checks the polarity and continuity of the Live, Neutral and Earth conductors. Also cheers for the insulin tips
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i don't think you can go to the pub and eat four bounty bars
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kecske posted:any work done recently? something like a pinched neutral behind a socket face would produce a fault similar to the one you describe. if everything is kosher the next thing I'd do is ramp test your rcd. Conservatory being built in the back but no electrical work yet just bricks and no work on it for 3 days due to rain. My oven died a month ago. The rcd tripped and after that only the grill part worked. I've had it switched off at the wall and been using my bbq to cook.
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It looks like some landowner cunts bulldozed a Site of Special Scientific Interest, despite the Environment Agency telling them to stop. The Environment Agency hope they can get a prosecution, but eh, it's Herefordshire. I assume whoever did it will donate to the Tory party* and mysteriously avoid having any charges pressed. * - I was going to make a joke about the local MP, but his register of financial interests is almost spectacularly dull by Tory MP standards
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Mebh posted:Conservatory being built in the back but no electrical work yet just bricks and no work on it for 3 days due to rain. My oven died a month ago. The rcd tripped and after that only the grill part worked. I've had it switched off at the wall and been using my bbq to cook. Is the oven on that same RCD? If so I'd strongly suspect a fault with the oven circuit, probably at the wall socket. When an oven lets go there's a *lot* of current, possibly enough to damage the insulation. However - if you eliminate a water leak somewhere, which is the most common cause of random RCD trips - your symptoms suggest it *may* be a fault in the RCD itself. A particularly big failure in the oven itself might have been enough to damage the internals of the RCD, and (thankfully) almost all failure states of an RCD are safe. One thing that's *probably* just snake oil but a lot of sparks swear by is to (with everything disconnected from the circuit) tripping and resetting it a few times with the reset button. I've never heard a sensible reason why it might work but like I say, it's a trick I've heard suggested multiple times. The other thing you can do to help localise it is of course to trip all of the breakers on that RCD and turn them back on one at a time to try and localise the fault to one main.
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kingturnip posted:It looks like some landowner cunts bulldozed a Site of Special Scientific Interest, despite the Environment Agency telling them to stop. I read about that. Absolutely infuriating.
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Vitamin P posted:You are talking absolute dogshit. The media keep going on about how the Red Wall lent their votes to the Tories when largely it's simply not true, they voted Brexit Party and split the Labour vote so the Tories won by default. Their actual vote barely changed between 2017 and 2019, it was Labour votes going to TBP or LDem.
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Lungboy posted:The media keep going on about how the Red Wall lent their votes to the Tories when largely it's simply not true, they voted Brexit Party and split the Labour vote so the Tories won by default. Their actual vote barely changed between 2017 and 2019, it was Labour votes going to TBP or LDem. It is true that Labour votes in those areas has been on the decline for decades now though. Labours relationship with the north of England and the voter base in those seats needs more perspective than just Corbyn and Brexit.
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stev posted:Oh gently caress oh poo poo Wait, didn't this happen last year as well?
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https://www.gmb.org.uk/campaign/i-back-british-gas-workers Solidarity requested for British Gas workers getting hosed over by manahement. This poo poo has been going on since the early nineties, but there was no internet back then attempting to get people's attention. quote:British Gas was once a great company, but the company has been let down by successive regimes of mismanagement.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Is the oven on that same RCD? If so I'd strongly suspect a fault with the oven circuit, probably at the wall socket. When an oven lets go there's a *lot* of current, possibly enough to damage the insulation. Hmm. The oven actually allegedly is on the left rcd. I've just tried it and it won't even turn on anymore. Plus turning any of the appliance wall switches for fridge etc. in the kitchen causes the sockets breaker on the right rcd to trip. Even though they're all unplugged at the walls. Fun times. There's no reset button. Just a test one that immediately trips the right rcb if I push it. Guess it's electrician time in the morning.
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Mebh posted:There's no reset button. Just a test one If an RCD has a test button, it should have a reset one, otherwise what's the point of the test, but if that's what's happening then the janky RCD theory looks stronger and both of them should be pulled and replaced for the next round of what's hopefully not a test.
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The weirdest thing to me is that someone actually plans out the production line for what choclates go where in the advent calendar. I figured they just fired them out at random from a big hopper.
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Mebh posted:Hmm. The oven actually allegedly is on the left rcd. I've just tried it and it won't even turn on anymore. Plus turning any of the appliance wall switches for fridge etc. in the kitchen causes the sockets breaker on the right rcd to trip. Even though they're all unplugged at the walls. Fun times. Sorry, I meant the test button, but the word reset was there and my brain not good. I suspect (based only on deduction rather than knowledge) that there's an earth fault somewhere, possibly a dodgy socket bonding neutral to earth, and yeah that's definitely time to step back and let a qualified professional at it. Incidentally this is the kind of stuff that home insurance pays for itself with. The 300+ quids worth of plumbing I've had out of my 60-quid-a-year policy (considerably cheaper than most because the HA owns the walls and poo poo, obviously) in the last year is proof of that.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Sorry, I meant the test button, but the word reset was there and my brain not good. I'm not sure what point that got mandated on consumer equipment but I definitely have in my head that unless you can directly Test something and then Reset it in 2020 then it's been fitted before when the current regs oblige.
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Tindalos posted:Wait, didn't this happen last year as well? Yeah, and it got press then too. A coincidence, I'm sure.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Do you have an attic with a socket that could be getting leaked on? I had a leak in the garage roof a few xmases ago when it was super wet and windy, dripped on to the strip light in there and tripped the whole house. Luckily I tried my house insurance phone number and got a bloke out gratis the next day - he was a bit stumped until I mentioned the leak, took the bulb out and all was well.
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Mebh posted:Sorry. Got a dual RCD consumer unit. The right side with the sockets on is tripping. I've unplugged everything in the house. Anything big I plug in causes the right rcd to trip. Left one is fine. Its fine with our phone chargers plugged in. I plugged the router in and sat down on the stairs to read a guide and it suddenly tripped again. What you've posted makes me think you have got a dodgy socket. However I'm a bit perplexed that the sockets in the kitchen are tripping it as well since they should in theory be on a separate ring to the downstairs. Can you post a photo of your RCD? Also silly question, but have you unplugged the fridge when you plug everything back in to test? A faulty fridge will often trip an RCD.
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OwlFancier posted:The weirdest thing to me is that someone actually plans out the production line for what choclates go where in the advent calendar. Yeah, I can see them letting the calendars be filled at random, with someone giving them the once-over to make sure it's not 25 Maltesers. I skimmed the article but couldn't see whether this is intentional from Mars (free publicity), or just a function of them producing a shitload of advent calendars, where each one is filled randomly. Their responses to the tweets makes me think it's intentional, but I've already spent more time thinking about this than any sane person should do.
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If you’ve run through a lot of the easier trouble shooting steps, ring your DNO on 105 (it’s free and automatic) and see if there are any known faults in your local area that may have caused your supply voltage to drop. If they think it’s likely or they want to check, they’ll send out an engineer. Cuts out one of the potential causes at least.
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kingturnip posted:Yeah, I can see them letting the calendars be filled at random, with someone giving them the once-over to make sure it's not 25 Maltesers. From a consistency perspective, having the hopper for specific days be full of the same shape and weight of chocolate in the line as you load them would lead to less potential issues. That they’ve pointed the first hopper on the line to 1,2,3,4 would be deliberate then.
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Definitely check for actual causes. I often get emails from customers complaining about "nuisance tripping" of an RCBO that we "need to fix". 9 times of of 10 it's an actual fault in the field wiring that's very much Not Our Problem. But no, it's obviously a "nuisance" trip, because it was fine before and now it isn't! They never even check on the helpful error display whether it was overcurrent or RCD.
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serious gaylord posted:What you've posted makes me think you have got a dodgy socket. However I'm a bit perplexed that the sockets in the kitchen are tripping it as well since they should in theory be on a separate ring to the downstairs. Yeah fridge is unplugged. Still doing it this morning.  Sockets one on the right covers both floors.
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Bobstar posted:Definitely check for actual causes. I often get emails from customers complaining about "nuisance tripping" of an RCBO that we "need to fix". 9 times of of 10 it's an actual fault in the field wiring that's very much Not Our Problem. But no, it's obviously a "nuisance" trip, because it was fine before and now it isn't! Also we’ve just had the first bout of properly cold weather and if anything loves changing temperatures it’s low voltage networks.
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does the rcd hold in if you turn off the 4 circuits it feeds? if so, reinstate the 4 circuits one at a time with a time delay between them. if nothing else this will prove the fault is on the sockets but also shows if the rcd is ok and lets you restore power to the other 3 circuits also troubleshooting faults this way isn't ideal and is ideally best left to someone with the kit and knowledge to safely prove the integrity of the installation kecske fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Needs to be flying chemtrail spreading 5G masks IMO Doesn't make a lick of sense, but why would it?
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Mebh posted:Yeah fridge is unplugged. Still doing it this morning. Yeah if you've already done the plug one thing in at a time and turn it on trick its time for an electrician. I would expect theres a fault in one of the sockets given everythings on the same circuit downstairs and you haven't got any 'new' devices that have suddenly spiked the load. We can help you diagnose as best as we can but if theres a fault in the actual RCD that can throw off every DIY test until a sparky plugs in a test unit. You mentioned they're building a new conservatory but are only doing the brickwork at the moment? Again a silly question, but they have to drill into old brick work for the brick ties when doing this. Have you got any sockets in line with any of the new courses in the kitchen? I have heard of brickies using ridiculously long drill bits and going right through the cavity and hitting cables before.
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OwlFancier posted:The weirdest thing to me is that someone actually plans out the production line for what choclates go where in the advent calendar. This is the sort of thing that really goes on behind closed doors in  halls, op 
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all chocolates have become so lovely though with quality as well as quantity. The world changed the day they took the galaxy truffle out of celebrations and replaced it with a loving twix  loving biscuit aisle basic bitch(apologie but spoilers contain strong swears)
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thespaceinvader posted:Needs to be flying chemtrail spreading 5G masks IMO  crispix posted:This is the sort of thing that really goes on behind closed doors in
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While we're chatting about electricity, I just discovered this guy on Youtube, who seems like he should be annoying but he's actually quite fun. Learn all about US power! (and he talks about UK power right at the end) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4
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Yep electrician who fitted the rcd is coming over tomorrow. He walked me through isolating the oven and it's still doing it. Conservatory drill points all look to be high up and away from the sockets as it's just the frame they attached. Thanks for the help goons. Basically wanted 100 percent to make sure it wasn't anything dumb that I missed. Really love this forum sometimes.
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Red Oktober posted:Shocking amount of electricity knowledge in this thread, love it.
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Bobstar posted:While we're chatting about electricity, I just discovered this guy on Youtube, who seems like he should be annoying but he's actually quite fun. I liked his video on toasters and rice cookers. Love that old school technology, we still have a rice cooker like that.
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