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"but you don't understand what football hooligans actually do  " says the guy who's categorically refusing to explain what it is that they actually doand also trying like hell to ignore the Nazi poo poo
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Jakabite posted:It's almost as if your mate's a oval office for being part of a Nazi firm It massively pains me to defend Chelsea fans, but the Headhunters aren't a Nazi firm - as always it's far more complex than that. While some of their number - like all firms - definitely are fascist, because the factors that attract people to hooliganism are the same as the ones that attract people to fascism, others of them have been involved in fights on the other side. It's entirely possible for someone to be not-racist and be part of them, just like it's possible to be personally not-racist and a British citizen, with exactly the same arguments (at different degrees of course) as to how you square those two things. TBH SMcGT's mate could well be a massive fash oval office who's only nice to him because he's white, but there's no way at all for anyone to tell that and the instant dismissal of anyone involved in 70s/80s hooliganism as an irretrievable psychopath who's likely to kill anyone darker than a pint of Carling at a moment's notice raises my hackles both because of the general principle that nobody should ever be unpersoned like that and the specific reason that that sort of opinion is normally followed up with poo poo like this: SpicePro posted:I'll take this a step further & it may be a bit unpopular, but, all prem league football is bigoted trash. Happy to be proven otherwise. Thanks for calling me a racist mate: 
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he ain't a fash oval office fwiw, and some of the best football related discussions I've had have been with him like breaking down Leicester City's title winning side in eye watering tactical detail, but nah, he just goes out and cracks skulls
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It massively pains me to defend Chelsea fans, but the Headhunters aren't a Nazi firm - as always it's far more complex than that. While some of their number - like all firms - definitely are fascist, because the factors that attract people to hooliganism are the same as the ones that attract people to fascism, others of them have been involved in fights on the other side. It's entirely possible for someone to be not-racist and be part of them, just like it's possible to be personally not-racist and a British citizen, with exactly the same arguments (at different degrees of course) as to how you square those two things. Their logo is the loving Totenkopf. They're also one of the only firms still very much on the radar of anti-fascists in London. I'm sure it's possible that someone is naively part of them without harboring racist views, but no anti-fascist has ever fought under the same banner as the SS. There are Chelsea anti-fascists, but there are no anti-fascist Headhunters. Again, their logo is the same as the SS and they are not shy about this. ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:he ain't a fash oval office fwiw, and some of the best football related discussions I've had have been with him like breaking down Leicester City's title winning side in eye watering tactical detail, but nah, he just goes out and cracks skulls No he's just part of a group that flies the SS banner and is well known for being a bunch of fascists. If he is in fact not a fash oval office, you might want to get him to ask some of his mates to stop turning up at political events trying to kick gently caress out of minorities and anyone they think might be 'anTEEFa'. Also don't try and tell me he wouldn't know them, Headhunters are not a particularly large group.
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Alas I deleted the posts database I made before and CBA searching it out, but I'm getting vibes from the Emily Thornberry Rochester thing, where out of nowhere several posters (one of them admittedly TinTower which kinda is its own hilarity) just straight out said all football fans are racists by definition and doubled and tripled down on it.
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Dec 5, 2020 21:15
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"sure he used to beat the poo poo out of people but he's gone through growth, change, or redemption and he doesn't do that any more, he's totally non-violent now" "so he's left the hooligan gang then?" "......no" Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Dec 5, 2020 21:16
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tbf, we're in "all hoolies are fascists, and friends of hoolies are fascists" so apparently I'm fash now, which is news to me
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Dec 5, 2020 21:16
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goddamnedtwisto posted:it's possible to be personally not-racist and a British citizen I guess this is true but it still feels wrong
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Dec 5, 2020 21:17
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This certainly makes a change from centrist concern-trolling
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Dec 5, 2020 21:18
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:tbf, we're in "all hoolies are fascists, and friends of hoolies are fascists" so apparently I'm fash now, which is news to me aw gently caress off, no one said that all hooligans are fascists. They said the ones who fly the loving SS logo as their banner are.
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Dec 5, 2020 21:19
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I feel a lot of how you react to violence comes from how early you were exposed to it. I mean I got in fights all the time as a kid and never got good at it so I'm used to horrific violence and the people who do it and how broken you have to be as a human being to do it. Working in mental health too kind of prepares you for the level of cognitive dissonance that you'll experience with a guy who seems so sweet but can be worked up and convinced to do anything. I've literally been sat up talking to murderers showing me their sweet spin kicks at 3am as agency HCA and not felt a bit of fear. Shits hosed when I think about it.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It massively pains me to defend Chelsea fans, but the Headhunters aren't a Nazi firm - as always it's far more complex than that. While some of their number - like all firms - definitely are fascist, because the factors that attract people to hooliganism are the same as the ones that attract people to fascism, others of them have been involved in fights on the other side. It's entirely possible for someone to be not-racist and be part of them, just like it's possible to be personally not-racist and a British citizen, with exactly the same arguments (at different degrees of course) as to how you square those two things. That’s all eminently reasonable. One wonders why they didn’t just write something to that effect themselves. That said: Jakabite posted:aw gently caress off, no one said that all hooligans are fascists. They said the ones who fly the loving SS logo as their banner are.
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Julio Cruz posted:even in loving 2020 I didn't expect to see an unironic "football hooligans are good, actually" post
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Dec 5, 2020 21:24
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Thanks for calling me a racist mate: It's not a personal thing, it's a systemic thing. (and it's not *just* about race)
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Dec 5, 2020 21:24
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Continuity NIP posted:Saint Pauli are okay Union Berlin too I have nothing against general football fans, the crucial word is "hooligans"
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Dec 5, 2020 21:25
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Julio Cruz posted:I have nothing against general football fans, the crucial word is "hooligans" I don't give a gently caress about football I just know that lot are fine
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Dec 5, 2020 21:26
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I don't even have anything against hooligans. I just don't like fascists
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Dec 5, 2020 21:27
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#notallheadhunters
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https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1335320592627752963
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Dec 5, 2020 21:49
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I reckon if someones favourite pastime is throwing fash salutes while waving flags emblazoned with fash symbols and singing songs about gassing jews then the odds on them being actual fash is probably on the high side.
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Dec 5, 2020 21:55
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How could anyone who can take part in an intense discussion about Leicester's title winning side be fascist?
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Dec 5, 2020 22:01
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Random Integer posted:I reckon if someones favourite pastime is throwing fash salutes while waving flags emblazoned with fash symbols and singing songs about gassing jews then the odds on them being actual fash is probably on the high side. and no-one I know has ever done that
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Dec 5, 2020 22:05
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man im nowhere near hard enough for this thread, you guys are tough
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Dec 5, 2020 22:14
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Look if we just all supported Clapton F.C. everything would be fine. Maybe.
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SpicePro posted:Look if we just all supported Clapton F.C. everything would be fine. Maybe. support your nearest non-league team
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these sure seem like a lovely bunch of chaps who being a member of is cool and good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Headhunters
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I'm giving it ten posts before someone goes "No I don't think that about football fans, these guys are comrades" by posting a picture of the Green Brigade, Nicosia, or that one from Tel Aviv. Maybe some people might post in sequence the first, second and fourth one down on the top ten socialist ultras article that is the first google result for "antifa ultras", thinking it won't be obvious.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:support your nearest non-league team British Transport Police, in the London Underground League Division 2
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Nutapii posted:I'm giving it ten posts before someone goes "No I don't think that about football fans, these guys are comrades" by posting a picture of the Green Brigade, Nicosia, or that one from Tel Aviv. All the Hapoel teams in Israel (there are a few, I think, and hapoel literally means 'the worker', it's sort of like F.C.) haven't been socialist in decades, just an fyi
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:and no-one I know has ever done that I was talking about the Headhunters, not your mate.
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no but you see hooligans don't actually get into massive fights any more, that was all long ago like *checks notes* 2014
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It massively pains me to defend Chelsea fans, but the Headhunters aren't a Nazi firm - as always it's far more complex than that. While some of their number - like all firms - definitely are fascist, because the factors that attract people to hooliganism are the same as the ones that attract people to fascism, others of them have been involved in fights on the other side. It's entirely possible for someone to be not-racist and be part of them, just like it's possible to be personally not-racist and a British citizen, with exactly the same arguments (at different degrees of course) as to how you square those two things. I know the square root of gently caress all about English football hooliganism (Green Street? Mate all I know about it comes from one episode of well known historical documentary Life On Mars where it kicks off between United & City fans & Gene Hunt & friends end up bashing as many heads as the hooligans) but while it might be possible to be a Headhunter and a leftist, I'm going to cock an eyebrow at any self-declared leftist or anti-racist who is happy cutting about associated with a group who don't just use a Totenkopf emblem (specifically an SS totenkopf going by their own website, rather than the badge worn by Prussian hussars or whatever) but have active connections to Combat 18, the UVF & the National Front. It's a bit iffy to say the least. It's not a football fan thing, gently caress, it's not even a hooliganism thing as much as I think vaguely football related violence is staggeringly pointless (at least they tend to do it away from the ground these days so people who are just there to watch the football can get on with that). It's specifically a Chelsea Headhunters thing. And any other group with clear links to right-wing groups, like certain segments of the Rangers fanbase or Lazio ultras with their Mussolini worship. Nutapii posted:I'm giving it ten posts before someone goes "No I don't think that about football fans, these guys are comrades" by posting a picture of the Green Brigade, Nicosia, or that one from Tel Aviv. Can I mention Livorno? They are probably in whatever article that is but I found out about them because I was hugely into Italian football through the 90s & early 00s. Cristiano & Alessandro Lucarelli were both well known for being passionate Communists even after they left Livorno. Mostly just remember one time they had a big Che banner at a game. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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 What the gently caress.What on earth is this tosh about Albanians who steal poo poo from lavatories invading us... Does half the country genuinely read and believe poo poo like this and that's why they voted leave?
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Mebh posted:
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How dare you question the journalistic integrity of the paper of record, the sunday sport, world leading reporter on the british celebrity sex dwarf community.
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and boiled bellends
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:half this thread believes that most football fans are part of the SS, so it's not surprising Hugely funny that after being told that your mate being in a Nazi firm might mean he's actually not the best guy around, you've pivoted to accusing everyone of making GBS threads on all football fans. So, for the last time (hopefully): it isn't all football fans, it's just the ones who are part of a group that flies the SS logo proudly. You stupid gently caress.
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