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Niric posted:Seriously though, is this a common thing that's been happening for ages that I've never encountered before? Because in a year of a literal plague, this attempt to gameify the workplace with the lure of consumer goods in the most blunt, infantilising way possible seems a bit much If it makes you feel any better, me and a few lads just have a weekly coffee catch-up and we award each other all our points in a circular fashion à la Strangers On A Train, so basically it's money for jam. Mebh posted:I gave him a 4 pack of beer and he went home after we'd tested and rewired everything. He then only charged me 50 quid... Best electrician. This is the correct way to transactionalise human decency. E: 36, also known as a six-pack of six-packs, which would be just the right amount of beer for surviving COVID Xmas Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Party Boat posted:Most big companies have a "reward and recognition" budget where people can nominate others for vouchers or whatever. Yeah, I guess you're right and that is something I'm familiar with (and my brain didn't connect these things because it's still before half 8, gimme a break). But, I dunno, the whole "let's make primary school gold stars into an actual market economy" by distributing a rationed number of points to be spent/exchanged seems like a whole step up from this Failed Imagineer posted:If it makes you feel any better, me and a few lads just have a weekly coffee catch-up and we award each other all our points in a circular fashion à la Strangers On A Train, so basically it's money for jam. Maybe I'm easily pleased, but this legit does make me feel better Niric fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Almost forgot you can choose to send someone a thank you e-card without giving them any "points". In another context this would be a thoughtful gesture, but since the prospect of points has already been introduced, the card-only option just becomes a way to passive-aggressively piss people off. Another neat illustration of capitalism debasing human interaction I spose.
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Honestly I'd prefer shameless marketising to the sort of fake 'we're all a family' vibe some companies I've worked at have pushed. The amount this is pushed always seems inversely proportional to how much I actually do feel like anyone at work is in any way my family. That whole schtick became even more retrospectively grating when my work took me off furlough and let me go (I was going to leave anyway as the company was shutting down and they were starting a new one to rehire everyone with lower salaries) as a reaction to having to pay my NI or whatever it was - not much money. I might not have minded if on the same call they hadn't told they'd spaffed 20 grand on consultants.
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Failed Imagineer posted:since the prospect of points has already been introduced, the card-only option just becomes a way to passive-aggressively piss people off. 
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Without wanting to sound too "everyone is a stupid sheeple except me", it's clearly a workplace psychology that works on a lot of people. I interact with a lot of people who either buy into this stuff completely or else perform such a perfect simulacrum of buying-in that it's functionally the same thing. It's even possible that overall it actually makes for a more pleasant and cooperative workplace, but only as a byproduct of the primary intended purpose i.e. increasing worker compliance
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I'm literally being asked to work with a group of people to implement such a thing at my place of work, so yeah, this is very much a real thing. (Though funnily enough, I hadn't heard of the points based system... man, that seems to be edging a little bit Black Mirror.)
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Points aren't so much gamification as a way to pass the responsibility of making your employees feel appreciated onto the employees themselves because the boss can't be hosed, imo Place I used to work just had an "employee incentive trophy" that came with a voucher thingy you could spend anywhere. One time I won it, because I billed over £55k that month (of which my bosses got over 97%, natch). That £20 gift card probably did more to radicalise me than a thousand pages of Marx. e: I have not read 1000 pages of Marx, dude's a snooze Borrovan fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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On the one hand I'm glad my workplace doesn't have such a transparently cynical system in place to boost compliance. On the other hand I want free stuff. We very occasionally get small vouchers, but it's entirely at your manager's discretion and barely ever happens.
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My wife used to work in a hotel chain that had an employee point system but it was based on feedback from the customers. One of the restaurant staff took this to a new level by going round each table and going "Hey, so I get points if you leave good feedback on this form. I need another 15 to get an iPad. Would you mind?" He got his iPad.
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Borrovan posted:That £20 gift card probably did more to radicalise me than a thousand pages of Marx. This is the blackpilled version of Glengarry Glen Ross. The E: vvvvvvv absolutely. And also they get factored in during your EOY evaluation lol, so it's always worse than you think Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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I guess a lot of these could quickly devolve into a popularity contest as well, right?
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Olpainless posted:I guess a lot of these could quickly devolve into a popularity contest as well, right? The guy who has won manager of the year award at our company has won it 5 years on the trot because he manages the largest department and everyone basically just votes internally
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My experience of reward and recognition systems where I used to work was that they were massively underused. I was in finance so got to see the numbers at a company level and despite a pretty modest budget (0.23% of salary iirc) we never came close to spending it. Even though anyone could make a nomination a lot of people just never thought to. Giving every employee a specific share of that budget as with the points system is something we never did, but I can see the argument that it would encourage more people to use it because it's "their" points. You might get some spurious awards but you'd get that in any system. Of course the best solution is to just pay everyone well so that you don't need to faff around with shiny reward schemes to make people feel "valued".
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I wrote the rules to conduct virtual court hearings during COVID lockdown pt 1 and was promised a "substantial" bonus over the summer by my happy managers. Got a £50 Amazon voucher in the end. oh well, The Last of Us 2 was quite fun
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Reminds me when I started my job, we had a real problem with terrible managers across the company. The solution was that they came up with a new scheme where people could nominate their managers for an award. Problem solved?
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Gorn Myson posted:I'm curious about your scepticism. What makes you think its going to struggle to stick? I've met a lot of people who have happily embraced this narrative. doesn't map readily onto just-world notions of fairness, basically true, it's a given that 30%~ of the country will believe whatever - in a country of tens of millions of people, that's always a lot - but they're not the swing opinion that matters anyway
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Marmaduke! posted:Reminds me when I started my job, we had a real problem with terrible managers across the company. The solution was that they came up with a new scheme where people could nominate their managers for an award. Problem solved? And presumably "not nominating managers for an award to show your displeasure" works just as well as not voting, likewise?
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PostNouveau posted:Heard about these on Trash Future: X-posting from the capitalism.png thread because it seems to intersect with a bunch of thread interests beans E:vvvvv took me a minute but then I laugh Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:X-posting from the capitalism.png thread because it seems to intersect with a bunch of thread interests beans
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Everyone know this in abstract, but it's still shocking to me when it's just stated plainly. https://twitter.com/ezzzzzzx/status/1335656384151564289?s=20
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Mebh posted:After he determined it was definitely a fault and we were methodically checking the stickers one by one the very first one we checked was the oven and he went "aha that's come right off" as he checked it. He's pulled it out and neutral just fell out. He rechecked the board, abs there was still a fault but he was still cheerful, I said oh gently caress there's one behind all the cupboards, and he had this look of "of course it's going to be behind that one" but he said "not to worry, we'll check all the others first before we try to move that" so around we went. Bloody hell. It reminds me a bit of this, but in reverse, obviously: https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/electrician-in-awe-of-last-electricians-work-20161007114965 We bought our house after the previous owner extended and renovated and kept discovering poo poo like that: pipes of different diameters joined inside a wall and sealed just with silicon; no heat hoods above downlighters so that the circuit literally burned out (three cheers for fire-retardant ceiling panels!); the bathroom slowly sinking into the kitchen because of inadequate joists and noggins, etc. Infuriating. We just did a renovation ourselves, after being here for nearly 13 years, and that prompted a huge clear-out which s still ongoing. Decluttering and getting rid of stuff is so satisfying. Higher-value stuff gets ebayed, anything else decent gets Freegled (Freegle is brilliant) or charity-shopped, and the rest goes to the dump. I loving LOVE visiting the dump. It's tremendously gratifying. No reason for posting about decluttering, of course. Not at all prompted by the picture of your laden sofa. Failed Imagineer posted:X-posting from the capitalism.png thread because it seems to intersect with a bunch of thread interests beans This isn't a terrible idea. It's quite pricey but if you're a serious runner you might get through a couple of pairs of shoes a year if not more. The other aspect is that trainers are environmental disasters. I like trainers but haven't bought for some time because once they are worn out that's it - one has to chuck them - and they are basically impossible to recycle as they are made of a variety of components. I find the idea of throwing away trainers where the uppers might still be fine but the sole is worn away really problematic. it's even worse when they have leather (an animal product that should be respected) or a shitload of non-degradable plastic. I buy Veja and while they are better than others but one still can't resole them, so the fundamental issue remains the same: once the sole goes they are rubbish. These shoes solve that issue as they are fully recyclable. As a new technology yes, they will be more expensive, but we can't complain about environmental degradation, resource exploitation, etc and not be prepared to pay for something better. We can't have it both ways. "It's easy to have principles when it doesn't cost you anything".
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peanut- posted:Everyone know this in abstract, but it's still shocking to me when it's just stated plainly.
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Borrovan posted:"90% of the judiciary went to the same 10% of schools" is a factoid I like dropping on my students that might or might not be true since I got it from a 30 year old journal article that it was only even tangentially relevant to anyway Pretty sure I saw similar figures in a recent BBC article about education discrimination, maybe a year or two back. e: It's 71% having gone to Oxbridge according to the 'Elitist Britain' survey from ~2019. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Marmaduke! posted:Reminds me when I started my job, we had a real problem with terrible managers across the company. The solution was that they came up with a new scheme where people could nominate their managers for an award. Problem solved? At one of the earlier jobs in my 'career' (such as it was at the time), I was asked by my manager to create a certificate for a manager in a team across the corridor, who was frustrated that she never got any certificates for anything. The certificate I was asked to create was "Person most deserving of getting a certificate". The fact that it was a joke was completely lost on her, and she was (I think) genuinely really pleased.
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Borrovan posted:Points aren't so much gamification as a way to pass the responsibility of making your employees feel appreciated onto the employees themselves because the boss can't be hosed, imo Isn't "a voucher thingy you could spend anywhere" just money?
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No because then it'd be even more nakedly obvious that £20 one-time bonus is taking the piss.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Isn't "a voucher thingy you could spend anywhere" just money? I imagine "spend anywhere" means "spend at any sufficiently large chain" so it's still broken money.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Isn't "a voucher thingy you could spend anywhere" just money? I don't know about you but my dealer doesn't take vouchers.
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therattle posted:This isn't a terrible idea. It's quite pricey but if you're a serious runner you might get through a couple of pairs of shoes a year if not more. The other aspect is that trainers are environmental disasters. I like trainers but haven't bought for some time because once they are worn out that's it - one has to chuck them - and they are basically impossible to recycle as they are made of a variety of components. I find the idea of throwing away trainers where the uppers might still be fine but the sole is worn away really problematic. it's even worse when they have leather (an animal product that should be respected) or a shitload of non-degradable plastic. I buy Veja and while they are better than others but one still can't resole them, so the fundamental issue remains the same: once the sole goes they are rubbish. These shoes solve that issue as they are fully recyclable. As a new technology yes, they will be more expensive, but we can't complain about environmental degradation, resource exploitation, etc and not be prepared to pay for something better. We can't have it both ways. "It's easy to have principles when it doesn't cost you anything". I'm by no means a serious runner but I can get through a pair of shoes in 4 months, and at £80-£120 a pair (depending on whether they have my size in sales) that's not far off a £25 a month subscription. Of course that assumes I maintain my mileage all the time and don't get injured, or busy, or lazy at which point the lifespan of my shoes can go way up. Recyclable shoes are something we definitely need, but tying it to a subscription model feels like they're going for the gym membership model of relying on loads of people subscribing and then not using them.
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These reward programs are done with vouchers because the company can easily pay the income tax/NI due on the value on the employee's behalf if its a voucher.
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Points make prizes at work seems very infantalising imo. Please don't let HR idiots in the public sector get hold of this idea 
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Hey remember when Boris was on a call with company executives about acquiring a bunch of ventilators, and wanted to call it Operation Last Gasp? Well I was just wondering, has he called the vaccine rollout anything inappropriate yet? Because I would like to offer "Operation Stabbing Spree" for his consideration
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Hey remember when Boris was on a call with company executives about acquiring a bunch of ventilators, and wanted to call it Operation Last Gasp? Operation Shooting Up
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forkboy84 posted:Operation Shooting Up Pretty sure that's already patented as the US education boards school plan.
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Vigil for Virgil posted:Pretty sure that's already patented as the US education boards school plan. 
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