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Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004


Darthemed posted:


Venom: The Madness #3 (1994)
Pencils: Kelley Jones
Inks: John Beatty; Al Milgrom; Kent Williams

The way Kelley Jones draws the muscles under the arms as just subcutaneous piles of gravel always made me kind of queasy.

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Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

TwoPair posted:

I didn't post it because I thought it was particularly badly drawn (in retrospect the thread with bad art in the title was a poor choice), it was because I found his expression out of place. He's in a traditional action pose, yet the face (to me) just looks sad/melancholy.

He doesn't, tho? At least to me. He looks mad/determined, not sad.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Wolverine got some hgh belly going on

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





It's pretty generic. The only thing that stands out is Happy McMurder Girl.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Spidey is PACKING no wonder MJ stuck with him.

And Echo is just happy to have guns now instead of sticks or a bow.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
I read the faces as stylized and trying deliberately to convey facial features that don't scream "generic white person." The bodies aren't really any worse to me than 80% of commercial superhero art.

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

Splint Chesthair posted:

The way Kelley Jones draws the muscles under the arms as just subcutaneous piles of gravel always made me kind of queasy.

I was honestly surprised when I looked it up and found out those muscles actually exist, and they weren't just entirely made-up superhero body greebling. Real humans have like, 3-5 of them on each side rather than 30-50, is all.

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005




This would be a whole lot less disingenuous if , for a company that has been around for more than 50 years, they could come up with more than 4 characters, 3 of which most people have never heard about.

Good for the writers and artist getting paid and exposure from this, but yeesh.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Thunderbolts #144 Variant Cover

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.
I have no neck, and I must scream.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
Before seeing the signature I knew that was Strowman who definitely has a unique style. I remember his art in David's original X-Factor and I loved it, but found it so bad in David's more recent X-Factor run that I couldn't even finish the issues he drew.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Bro Dad posted:

Thunderbolts #144 Variant Cover



I'm mainly upset here about that typography at the top

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Libra posted:

However, I will poke fun at Scowly McKnifedude on the left there. The nineties are over, man!

you shut your loving mouth about my boy Warpath

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Madkal posted:

Before seeing the signature I knew that was Strowman who definitely has a unique style. I remember his art in David's original X-Factor and I loved it, but found it so bad in David's more recent X-Factor run that I couldn't even finish the issues he drew.

Were those the Civil War tie-in issues because I distinctly remember those being the absolute ugliest issues of the entire run

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Vincent posted:

This would be a whole lot less disingenuous if , for a company that has been around for more than 50 years, they could come up with more than 4 characters, 3 of which most people have never heard about.

Good for the writers and artist getting paid and exposure from this, but yeesh.
I'm not sure what the solution here is, on one hand you're correct that Marvel/superhero comics/American pop culture is insufficiently diverse. On the other hand the alternatives are to lift up the profile of existing characters and introduce new characters while simultaneously trying to bring in people other than white dudes to write more white dudes, or just go "yeah we suck and will continue to suck". Neither is ideal but I prefer the former to the latter.

And on the subject of good art, here's the intro to the one shot (written and drawn by Jeffrey Veregge) that shows that they could in fact come up with more than four characters, though your point of "none of them are flagship characters" stands:




Internet Wizard posted:

Were those the Civil War tie-in issues because I distinctly remember those being the absolute ugliest issues of the entire run
The Civil War issues of X-Factor were drawn by Dennis Calero

Larry Stroman's run on the modern X-Factor series started with issue 33

Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Dec 8, 2020

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Edge & Christian posted:

And on the subject of good art, here's the intro to the one shot (written and drawn by Jeffrey Veregge) that shows that they could in fact come up with more than four characters, though your point of "none of them are flagship characters" stands:



That's beautiful.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

BiggerBoat posted:

I'm mainly upset here about that typography at the top

yeah I don't really have any problem with the art but that's a plain ugly title

goatface posted:

That's beautiful.

it is!

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Yea according to my trades its the X-Factor Secret Invasion Trade with the ugly art.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



BiggerBoat posted:

I'm mainly upset here about that typography at the top

It's got a real 10,000 Fonts for $9.99 Comp USA CD vibe going on there.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

I'm always disappointed when we see Juggernaut without the helmet and he's just a muscular dude and doesn't actually have a dome shaped head.

Edit: ugh I opened the https://x-men.fandom.com/ wiki to read about Juggernaut's armor and the background image they've chosen is a piece of Greg Land art with a rather atrocious porn face



just the loving worst

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Dec 8, 2020

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Flesh Forge posted:

yeah I don't really have any problem with the art but that's a plain ugly title


Proteus Jones posted:

It's got a real 10,000 Fonts for $9.99 Comp USA CD vibe going on there.

It's a pet peeve of mine. I'm an illustrator and a graphic designer and that 3D, beveled, gold plated, lens flare sparkle, thick outline poo poo gets under my skin. First and foremost, text is supposed to be readable. Anything you do to it that makes it less legible is bad (unless it's supposed to be subliminal or something). And good lord, the kerning on it but still taking the time to put it on an arc and enlarge "HEROIC".

Looks like a community newsletter and I'm honestly surprised there's no drop shadow on them bling letters. I don't like it. Funny thing is, the type at the bottom is perfectly fine.

The rest of the drawing is rather bad but I've seen poo poo like that a million times so it's hardly egregious.

sliami
Apr 28, 2018



Feel like pure poo poo x just want my fourth wall breaking icons back


(erica henderson)


(gurihiru)


(javier pulido)

sliami
Apr 28, 2018



Rotten Red Rod posted:

I'm always disappointed when we see Juggernaut without the helmet and he's just a muscular dude and doesn't actually have a dome shaped head.

Edit: ugh I opened the https://x-men.fandom.com/ wiki to read about Juggernaut's armor and the background image they've chosen is a piece of Greg Land art with a rather atrocious porn face



just the loving worst

M*rvel give me the full rights to pixie this instant thanks

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

sliami posted:

Feel like pure poo poo x just want my fourth wall breaking icons back


(erica henderson)


(gurihiru)


(javier pulido)

Dang, seconded

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


What's the problem, Deadpool is still around.

sliami
Apr 28, 2018



Lurdiak posted:

What's the problem, Deadpool is still around.

deadpool is cringe. gwenpool is epic

(gurihiru again)

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Lurdiak posted:

What's the problem, Deadpool is still around.

:manning:

^^^ wish the trades had collected gurihirus art for the Japanese covers, never can have enough gurihiru art

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Richard Corben died today at the age of 80. He was probably best known for his work in Heavy Metal in the 70's and 80's (the sword-and-sandals vignette that most people would think of first when they think of the animated movie was adapted from his Den )but I know him as one of the first fill-in artists on Hellboy. A lot of the Hellboy fillins would try to emulate Mignola's style (Duncan Fegredo just about perfected it), but Corben absolutely brought his own style and sensibilities.

Corben was the most unique out of all the Hellboy fill-in artists. He brought that grotesquerie that you see a lot in British comics and political comics, and the stories that Mignola gave him took advantage of that. My favorite Mignola/Corben collaboration was The Crooked Man, which was wholly an American folktale, set in the backwoods of Appalachia. It's a great story and I'd encourage anyone to read it, and Corben's art gives it a foreground creepiness that Mignola's other stuff doesn't have. Where Mignola would obscure with shadow and stylization, Corben highlights it to great effect.

Also I say "fill-in" but if you read the intro for Makoma in Hellboy Vol. 7, Mignola said he tried really hard to write something specifically for him, since he was so much of a fan of Corben's work.







Oh he also drew the Bat Out of Hell cover

https://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1337139684053381121?s=21

zoux fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Dec 10, 2020

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Oh, I was just thinking about how I really liked Richard Corben. :( He did grotesque so well.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
He did an amazing Hellblazer arc.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
He did an issue of Solo so if you like his stuff it's worth tracking down (just like every issue of Solo is worth tracking down)

Please note this isn't a Han Solo comic but a "famous artist gets to draw whatever story he wants comic".

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Madkal posted:

He did an issue of Solo so if you like his stuff it's worth tracking down (just like every issue of Solo is worth tracking down)

Please note this isn't a Han Solo comic but a "famous artist gets to draw whatever story he wants comic".

I was hoping it was the Marvel one.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Yeah that's some good stuff. I never heard the name. Oddly the worst of the lot is the Meat Loaf album cover and that's likely what he's most famous for I'd bet.

RIP

Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"




College Slice

Whiz Comics #25 (1941)
Pencils & Inks: Mark Schneider (I think)


Darling Love #2 (1949)
Artist(s) unknown.


Journey into Mystery #23 (1955)
Pencils & Inks: Gene Colan


The Many Ghosts of Doctor Graves #29 (1971)
Pencils & Inks: Steve Ditko


Ghost Manor #27 (1976)
Pencils & Inks: Enrique Nieto


Curse of the Spawn #23 (1998)
Pencils: Dwayne Turner
Inks: Chance Wolf; Todd McFarlane; Jason Gorder; Jonathan Glapion

sliami
Apr 28, 2018



zoux posted:

Richard Corben died today at the age of 80. He was probably best known for his work in Heavy Metal in the 70's and 80's (the sword-and-sandals vignette that most people would think of first when they think of the animated movie was adapted from his Den )but I know him as one of the first fill-in artists on Hellboy. A lot of the Hellboy fillins would try to emulate Mignola's style (Duncan Fegredo just about perfected it), but Corben absolutely brought his own style and sensibilities.

Corben was the most unique out of all the Hellboy fill-in artists. He brought that grotesquerie that you see a lot in British comics and political comics, and the stories that Mignola gave him took advantage of that. My favorite Mignola/Corben collaboration was The Crooked Man, which was wholly an American folktale, set in the backwoods of Appalachia. It's a great story and I'd encourage anyone to read it, and Corben's art gives it a foreground creepiness that Mignola's other stuff doesn't have. Where Mignola would obscure with shadow and stylization, Corben highlights it to great effect.

Also I say "fill-in" but if you read the intro for Makoma in Hellboy Vol. 7, Mignola said he tried really hard to write something specifically for him, since he was so much of a fan of Corben's work.







Oh he also drew the Bat Out of Hell cover

https://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1337139684053381121?s=21

this sucks corben was dope

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006

Rhyno posted:

He did an amazing Hellblazer arc.

The one set in the prison? Funny enough I actually just finished it and was thinking about posting it here as an example of bad art. Really didn't think it fit. I mean, everybody has their off days.

But when I found my dad's stash of Heavy Metal reading Den was an absolutely formative moment for me.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Darthemed posted:


Darling Love #2 (1949)
Artist(s) unknown.

That is pop art as hell, I love it.

Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004


Darthemed posted:



Darling Love #2 (1949)
Artist(s) unknown.


This looks a lot like Ditko to me.

Darthemed
Oct 28, 2007

"A data unit?
For me?
"




College Slice
Part of what made it stand out so much to me was how much of a departure from the rest of the story's art it was. Here's the full page, for visual context.



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Fantastic Four #39 (1965)
Pencils: Jack Kirby
Inks: Carl Hubbell


The Amazing Spider-Man #161 (1976)
Pencils: Ross Andru
Inks: Mike Esposito


Marvel Super Action #1 (1976)
Pencils & Inks: Howard Chaykin


Classic Punisher #1 (1989)
Pencils: Tony Dezuniga
Inks: Rico Rival


Classic Punisher #1 (1989)
Pencils & Inks: Mike Vosburg


Mr. and Mrs. X #4 (2018)
Pencils & Inks: Oscar Bazaldua

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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Darthemed posted:


Journey into Mystery #23 (1955)
Pencils & Inks: Gene Colan

I tried having fun once and it was awful.

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