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Arzaac
Jan 2, 2020


Honestly I went and read the first couple of chapters of Toriko at about the same time as the first couple of Build King chapters and Toriko feels way more natural.

I think there's something about the idea of a gourmet hunter that goes out and hunts extremely dangerous game that's so real, we've got plenty of rare and dangerous dishes in real life. Architecture...not so much.

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Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

it's a retread of toriko with a different theme. and i liked toriko, but bk needs to bring something new to the table.
It is, on top of not being as immediately gripping as Toriko's first couple chapters. Not that I dislike Build King but right now the only think keeping me on board is knowing the kind of insanity that is bound to follow. The MC's a lot more generic as well.

Silver2195 posted:

My biggest complaint is that [spoiler]we only got to see half the face card games.
You're not alone. It's not a problem but it was still a let down that we didn't get to see at least some of the game even if they just pulled a Jack of Diamonds and showed us the resolution

Also, as a curiosity to anyone who read the series. Which games/arcs were your favorite?
I'm always torn between the King of Clubs because Kyuuma is just an amazing antagonist and everyone got to shine during the arc. As well as the 2 of Hearts since it's by far the easiest hearts game to win if you throw caution to the wind but still emotionally taxing because it asks the question of whether or not you have the stones to bet it all before the last train car since we know that every setup was the same.

Brought To You By fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 7, 2020

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
toriko started out as a slightly peculiar shounen fighting manga, but it quickly got very, very strange. it also got very gay, can't forget that.

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009
Watching Mahito's smug rear end face start to panic has got me feeling good, even if it's temporary.

Is this where it gets revealed who the brain inside geto belongs to?

Edit: Also what a testament to Boogie Woogie and Todo that he can still use the threat of boogie woogie as a bluff.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

BK having half the protagonist duo just suck at the central conceit and instead be a "builder" of intangible shonen concepts does make it feel weaker to me than Toriko starting out of the gate with an accomplished hunter and chef pair. and while the handsomeness of the guys may have improved (Shovel, Nana), the shift to standard shonen kid stuff means it doesn't have any of Toriko's fun "a bunch of giant men fight over who gets to date the tiny chef" vibes.

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Elfface posted:

Bondo is the only normal person in the world. But he's slowly learning to accept that and just let things happen.

So many shoutouts to other fighting sries this time too... as well as the obvious DBZ, we've got HxH in Gorilla's robot-takedown, and Mom channeling Mihawk vs Zoro.

The Bondo's mom thing works so well since I can't remember a single panel in the manga where she isn't holding a knife.

Gorilla might be the purest good boy in the history of manga.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
hey, sometimes she is holding a katana.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Brought To You By posted:

It is, on top of not being as immediately gripping as Toriko's first couple chapters. Not that I dislike Build King but right now the only think keeping me on board is knowing the kind of insanity that is bound to follow. The MC's a lot more generic as well.

You're not alone. It's not a problem but it was still a let down that we didn't get to see at least some of the game even if they just pulled a Jack of Diamonds and showed us the resolution

Also, as a curiosity to anyone who read the series. Which games/arcs were your favorite?
I'm always torn between the King of Clubs because Kyuuma is just an amazing antagonist and everyone got to shine during the arc. As well as the 2 of Hearts since it's by far the easiest hearts game to win if you throw caution to the wind but still emotionally taxing because it asks the question of whether or not you have the stones to bet it all before the last train car since we know that every setup was the same.

King of Clubs was one of the better ones, yeah.

I also read the Alice on Border Road spinoff. The setting makes a bit more sense now, I guess. When a bunch of people have related near-death experiences simultaneously, their minds create some kind of shared universe due to blah blah Jungian psychology blah blah quantum physics. (I accept this as the sort of handwave you have to expect in this kind of manga.) The events in the parallel world match who dies and how the survivors are injured presumably because Jungian psychology and quantum physics don't map to our conventional ideas of how cause and effect work; I guess the outcomes have both a real-world and a parallel-world cause. Since the mass near-death experience caused by the fireworks happened in modern-day Japan, and the victims were apparently disproportionately somewhat chuuni, their collective unconsciousness created a Gantz/Psyren-style world with a card game motif instead of, say, the River Styx.

This might actually be slightly less satisfying than some of the fake answers the Queen of Hearts gave. Surely the collective unconscious of thousands of people should be able to imagine/create something weirder than a post-apocalyptic Tokyo? But it's at least a more interesting answer than "it was aliens" or "it was a vast conspiracy of rich assholes," which I believe are the standard explanations in this kind of story.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

i flunked out posted:

Watching Mahito's smug rear end face start to panic has got me feeling good, even if it's temporary.

Is this where it gets revealed who the brain inside geto belongs to?

Edit: Also what a testament to Boogie Woogie and Todo that he can still use the threat of boogie woogie as a bluff.

He says something about the Jujutsu sorceror's of "this era" being pretty good at one point so I think it'll probably be this guy.

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009

RatHat posted:

He says something about the Jujutsu sorceror's of "this era" being pretty good at one point so I think it'll probably be this guy.


that would make for an interesting combo too, the most evil sorcerer in history vs the king of curses when he and sukuna inevitably clash

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
I could see fake Geto's end game being getting Sukuna to revive then taking control of him using his power.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Geto would need a pretty good trick to pull that off. Sukuna's title of "King of Curses" isn't just from his raw power but also because his technique/knowledge are on another level. He can use a domain without technically using a domain, which the manga describes as "Painting a masterpiece on thin air".

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Silver2195 posted:

King of Clubs was one of the better ones, yeah.

I also read the Alice on Border Road spinoff. The setting makes a bit more sense now, I guess. When a bunch of people have related near-death experiences simultaneously, their minds create some kind of shared universe due to blah blah Jungian psychology blah blah quantum physics. (I accept this as the sort of handwave you have to expect in this kind of manga.) The events in the parallel world match who dies and how the survivors are injured presumably because Jungian psychology and quantum physics don't map to our conventional ideas of how cause and effect work; I guess the outcomes have both a real-world and a parallel-world cause. Since the mass near-death experience caused by the fireworks happened in modern-day Japan, and the victims were apparently disproportionately somewhat chuuni, their collective unconsciousness created a Gantz/Psyren-style world with a card game motif instead of, say, the River Styx.

This might actually be slightly less satisfying than some of the fake answers the Queen of Hearts gave. Surely the collective unconscious of thousands of people should be able to imagine/create something weirder than a post-apocalyptic Tokyo? But it's at least a more interesting answer than "it was aliens" or "it was a vast conspiracy of rich assholes," which I believe are the standard explanations in this kind of story.


I wonder how this will go along with Retry, then, where the near-death experience seems to only be, like, seven people this time

scaterry
Sep 12, 2012

Blockhouse posted:

I wonder how this will go along with Retry, then, where the near-death experience seems to only be, like, seven people this time

I have the terrible feeling that if the theme of Alice in Borderland is finding a reason to live , then the theme of Retry is how to accept death :(

Alice is totally gonna die at the end of the manga, and when he does we're all gonna bawl our eyes out

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

CodfishCartographer posted:

Welp, never read Toriko, so egg's on my face I guess for not realizing that's the author's schtick.

I never read it either, so hearing that it's just a retread (and a worse one at that) of the author's schtick took a lot of the shine off Build King for me.

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
Reminder that the author of Toriko/Build King’s “schtick” is being convicted of paying a 16-year-old for sex

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

yeah, we know

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013
It is something that bears repeating, especially if that author has currently running series. More power to anyone who can detach the work from author enough that they don't mind, but it's a dealbreaker for a lot of folks (me included) and not everyone is automatically aware about it.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

CodfishCartographer posted:

Welp, never read Toriko, so egg's on my face I guess for not realizing that's the author's schtick.

maybe you should

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Lt. Lizard posted:

It is something that bears repeating, especially if that author has currently running series. More power to anyone who can detach the work from author enough that they don't mind, but it's a dealbreaker for a lot of folks (me included) and not everyone is automatically aware about it.

Yeah, I read through all of Toriko earlier this year and if I had known this I wouldn't have.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Silver2195 posted:

I also read the Alice on Border Road spinoff. The setting makes a bit more sense now, I guess.
Oof. Not my favorite sequel in the world but it exists.

quote:


This might actually be slightly less satisfying than some of the fake answers the Queen of Hearts gave. Surely the collective unconscious of thousands of people should be able to imagine/create something weirder than a post-apocalyptic Tokyo? But it's at least a more interesting answer than "it was aliens" or "it was a vast conspiracy of rich assholes," which I believe are the standard explanations in this kind of story.

I've had some theories as to why it's just a ramshackled Tokyo for the games. If memory serves there aren't any foreigners in the entire series. There's one character who is the forensics specialist and her first name is Ann and she appears to have blond hair, but she's got a japanese last name and works in Tokyo so she's likely of mixed parentage at best. But for a meteor impact that caused a large portion of a major city to be demolished, it's odd that not a single non-japanese person is participating in the games. So my theory has been that people wind up in a borderland that represents the most familiar setting to them but in a state of decay since they are all on some level aware that they are in a state of limbo. The reason it's not a zanier setting is because the human mind probably has a tendency to look towards the familiar rather than the abstract. If the borderland was Snake way from DB people would probably lose their minds. As for what I think happened to any unfortunate tourists during this event, they probably got sent to a borderland from the part of the world they call home.

Blockhouse posted:

I wonder how this will go along with Retry, then, where the near-death experience seems to only be, like, seven people this time
Since Arisu and his friends entered the borderland and didn't see anyone until they got to the first venue. I think it's safe to say it's not impossible for new players to not meet other players for a day or so. But I do think that if this is a more direct sequel to the original, that whoever wins is in for a full deck of suffering since we're back to card themed challenges. Which means that Arisu is probably in for a hard decision if he manages to make it out of here since he'll have to compete all over again

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Brought To You By posted:

Since Arisu and his friends entered the borderland and didn't see anyone until they got to the first venue. I think it's safe to say it's not impossible for new players to not meet other players for a day or so. But I do think that if this is a more direct sequel to the original, that whoever wins is in for a full deck of suffering since we're back to card themed challenges. Which means that Arisu is probably in for a hard decision if he manages to make it out of here since he'll have to compete all over again

They already explicitly revealed what happened to him in the real world though, and it was an accident that only affected him and this small group of people.

So I'm guessing that it's a sort of mini-sequel thing. Like someone else mentioned, I'm 99% sure Arisu is gonna die. Decent chance he ends up saving the young girl somehow.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
https://twitter.com/ActAgeManga/status/1336584634394664960

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013
That's the artist from Act-Age that got hosed over by the writer being a creep, not the creep himself, right?

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Lt. Lizard posted:

That's the artist from Act-Age that got hosed over by the writer being a creep, not the creep himself, right?

yeah sorry should have added that. She's not the sex pest

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Ytlaya posted:

They already explicitly revealed what happened to him in the real world though, and it was an accident that only affected him and this small group of people.

So I'm guessing that it's a sort of mini-sequel thing. Like someone else mentioned, I'm 99% sure Arisu is gonna die. Decent chance he ends up saving the young girl somehow.


Hopefully it's just a bunch of different deaths connected together this time, because if it's just the one Arisu was in then this series will be pretty short.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

They already explicitly revealed what happened to him in the real world though, and it was an accident that only affected him and this small group of people.

So I'm guessing that it's a sort of mini-sequel thing. Like someone else mentioned, I'm 99% sure Arisu is gonna die. Decent chance he ends up saving the young girl somehow.


Just saying that a borderland that features a 'Game' like the first series implies that both a citizen designed it, and that Arisu and the rest are stuck in the larger game and not just an isolated group like in Border Road

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Had this popup in my youtube feed



Also a new trailer for the final Gintama movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61PB6vMbos

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

toriko started out as a slightly peculiar shounen fighting manga, but it quickly got very, very strange. it also got very gay, can't forget that.

Freaking corn aliens using the earth as a slow cooker for a Oogie Boogie looking Galactus monster was a weird loving direction.

I'm on the same page as other that Build King's premise is flat and boring. Exotic food hunter, ever increasing food challenges and rivals makes some sense, even rare things like the place that had a billion ingredients frozen in a glacier that when melted made the perfect soup was interesting.

Sentient houses? Building material themed everything? If it hadn't been pointed out that it was by the same author I'd have figured it was a cheap knockoff that was find/replacing "food" with "house".

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
Oh buddy. Current arc for SHY hit one hell of an abrupt ending

Just kidding, turns out stabbing a magical girl in the heart with a sword called Purity wasn't quite the killing blow the newly manifested kitsune intended. And where words might fail, a good old fashion Katana duel will prevail :black101:

And there's a new chapter of Alice in Borderland Retry. Arisu might actually be completely hosed here if what I think is happening is happening.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
So I've not read any of Alice in borderlands but a live action version just appeared on netflix

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
I teared up HARD at this week's Magu-chan. IT'S JUST SO SWEET.

Agravity Boys providing some quality out-of-context panels.

Mashle is great

ROBOCO, TEACH ME TWITTER

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Magu-chan and Mashle continue to be good.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

We Never Learn

Sick burn on the other girls Yuiga to not invite them to your wedding.

It didn’t say anything about ending next week so I’m curious to see how much longer it’ll run.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Ethiser posted:

We Never Learn

Sick burn on the other girls Yuiga to not invite them to your wedding.

It didn’t say anything about ending next week so I’m curious to see how much longer it’ll run.

Oh no, is there a harem ending still to come?

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

CodfishCartographer posted:

I teared up HARD at this week's Magu-chan. IT'S JUST SO SWEET.

Agravity Boys providing some quality out-of-context panels.

Mashle is great

ROBOCO, TEACH ME TWITTER

Mashle hitting some Iruma-kun vibes where we hit up Diagon alley and just chill.

JJK holding back the demise of Mahito but delivering a scathing burn

I hope she's not dead.

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Oh no, is there a harem ending still to come?

I can’t see that. It’s always been a little too wholesome for that. If anything I’d imagine it’s just a few fluffy chapters to have all the characters together again.

Nightmare Scenario Sister Arc

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?

Ethiser posted:

We Never Learn

Sick burn on the other girls Yuiga to not invite them to your wedding.

It didn’t say anything about ending next week so I’m curious to see how much longer it’ll run.

They were there


Just well hidden... :(

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Oh no, is there a harem ending still to come?

Here's hoping.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Ethiser posted:

I can’t see that. It’s always been a little too wholesome for that. If anything I’d imagine it’s just a few fluffy chapters to have all the characters together again.

Nightmare Scenario Sister Arc

Ah, the Bakarina-style "friendship ending".

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