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T-man posted:almods use significantly less water than cows, and depending on how they're grown can use even less. I mean cows are definitely ultra-inefficient but that article feels like a very Business Insider kinda article, in that the big international trade moneymaking thing (almonds) is holy and blameless because this other thing is worse. Like it completely ignores how almonds are grown in the absolute worst places which magnifies the problem a lot more than simple water consumption would indicate, or how almonds are almost entirely exported, and literally ends with "So stop with the almond shaming". I absolutely refuse to stop almond-shaming 
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T-man posted:almods use significantly less water than cows, and depending on how they're grown can use even less. It takes 960 gallons of water to make a gallon of almond milk. It takes 4.5 gallons of water to make a gallon of cow milk.
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Plastik posted:It takes 960 gallons of water to make a gallon of almond milk. congrats on your artifical cow milk that doesn't require the water to sustain and feed a cow i guess
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Shame Boy posted:I mean cows are definitely ultra-inefficient but that article feels like a very Business Insider kinda article, in that the big international trade moneymaking thing (almonds) is holy and blameless because this other thing is worse. Like it completely ignores how almonds are grown in the absolute worst places which magnifies the problem a lot more than simple water consumption would indicate, or how almonds are almost entirely exported, and literally ends with "So stop with the almond shaming". i mean forcing everyone to subsist on aquaphonic lettuce and closed-system insect/fish mjx for protein is probably a good idea but they're not gonna do it unless it's that or starve.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Joe Rogan Bean Shoes
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T-man posted:almods use significantly less water than cows, and depending on how they're grown can use even less. Can't wait to make a killing on jerky futures
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T-man posted:congrats on your artifical cow milk that doesn't require the water to sustain and feed a cow i guess The trick is to grow the cow from a magic bean. Also you could just drink magic bean milk, but magic beans are how to come by, so like why would you?
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T-man posted:i mean forcing everyone to subsist on aquaphonic lettuce and closed-system insect/fish mjx for protein is probably a good idea but they're not gonna do it unless it's that or starve. I’m not going to eat bugs OR fish..... 
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T-man posted:congrats on your artifical cow milk that doesn't require the water to sustain and feed a cow i guess Dairy cows are usually slaughtered and beef has an incredibly high water-to-weight ratio, so yeah, once the lion's share of the water has been accounted for by the beef you get 4.5 gallons of water per gallon of milk. Less actually, that 4.5 gallons came from a University study that also accounted for bottling and all the processes involved in that. The only way to change that number is to somehow argue that dairy cow meat is less water intensive than beef cow meat, at which point you're shuffling accountabilities around based on whether you like beef or milk more at the moment.
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Salean posted:a fish is an ocean bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h72aXVP8o
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Shame Boy posted:Unfortunately all the almonds being grown in the California desert aren't destined for local consumption they're to be shipped across the globe to China Handy was used more for the pre-smartphone devices, now they are mainly referred to as either "smartphones" as a loanword or aren't differentiated from telephones since who uses landlines anymore lol.
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T-man posted:almods use significantly less water than cows, and depending on how they're grown can use even less. Good thing I stocked up on all this soy protein! Looking forward to bimbofication captain o7
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dr_rat posted:The trick is to grow the cow from a magic bean. Also you could just drink magic bean milk, but magic beans are how to come by, so like why would you? What if you grow the cow from recyclable shoes?
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i drink milk that comes from a local farm because I live somwhere that raising cattle doesn't destroy 11 ecosystems at once
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Bismuth posted:More like scrote milk gottem
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The Saddest Rhino posted:https://twitter.com/business/status/1335729456481243138 Yeah, we're all going to die.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Yeah, we're all going to die. But think of the profits
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Bismuth posted:More like scrote milk shouldnt u be jacking off to some dumb gently caress cartoon or some poo poo u stupid bitch? fly away troll
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Yeah, we're all going to die. You're just being negative. Now all three legs are there for my Immortan Joe ETF: water, bullets, and guzzoline.
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necroid posted:there's some interesting stuff out there, like cactus leather Wow, this is the first I've heard of mushroom leather. That's cool as hell.
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How's that old phrase go? When people hunger, they riot. When they thirst, they die. Something like that.
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Bismuth posted:More like scrote milk how does it feel to be the best crystal gem from steven universe? Peanut President posted:i drink milk that comes from a local farm because I live somwhere that raising cattle doesn't destroy 11 ecosystems at once i'm pressing X and doubting
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Plastik posted:Dairy cows are usually slaughtered and beef has an incredibly high water-to-weight ratio, so yeah, once the lion's share of the water has been accounted for by the beef you get 4.5 gallons of water per gallon of milk. “The water footprint for milk production is 140 liters of water in competition per kilogram of milk consumed (144.2 gallons of water in competition per gallon of milk consumed)” https://saiplatform.org/uploads/FSA_translations/Water_Footprinting_of_Livestock_Feb_4_2015.pdf
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Gods_Butthole posted:What if you grow the cow from recyclable shoes? Look at this point you're just making extra work for your self. Unlike magic beans, recyclable shoe are plentiful and recyclable shoe milk is fine.
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Platystemon posted:“The water footprint for milk production is 140 liters of water in competition per kilogram of milk Just skimming it looks like none of the studies there are subtracting out the amount of water that goes into making other cow things once the cow's done making milk, which is how that 4.5 gallons number was arrived at e: Also one of those studies (that conveniently ignores rainfall) is saying that New Zealand somehow makes a kilogram of milk with 10ml of water, which sounds terrifying. Someone needs to stop those cows before they drown us all. Shame Boy has issued a correction as of 07:43 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Platystemon posted:“The water footprint for milk production is 140 liters of water in competition per kilogram of milk Google is cool and all but can you imagine actually reading the thing you posted before you posted it so you don't accidentally find yourself in a situation where you post a collection of articles that ignore the water cost of beef in favor of making the water cost of milk absurd, you know, like I said in text in the post you quoted?
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Literally the first actual conclusion the paper draws is "you get wildly different numbers depending on how you look at the problem and we kinda need to standardize this poo poo"quote:How can a consumer benchmark all the various Water Footprint data for dairy and beef? So I think everyone's simultaneously wrong and right
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Wow, this is the first I've heard of mushroom leather. That's cool as hell. glad you've found it interesting! a lot of people out there are trying to remove animals from manufacturing processes, not just the food industry it's always disheartening to read snarky comments about this kind of thing because compassion for human beings and compassion for animals aren't mutually exclusive sometimes the people who dismiss this kind of thing without even informing themselves do so out of knee-jerk reactions, because they feel that their consumer routine is being threatened by the possibility of ditching dairy and meat (or, to use another example, not being able to buy another useless pair of cheap sneakers). the companies who sell these products at a huge markup are assholes and obviously don't help, but there are many smaller examples of companies that try to balance profits and accessibility also lol @ the wildly misinformed opinions about the relative harmlessness of dairy and meat industries compared to all-vegetable agriculture : remove poultry, pigs and cows from the equation and you'll discover that a shitload of resources that went into inefficiently raising and feeding these animals are now free to be used to supply you and many many others with plenty of food, directly I'll stop rambling now but if you're not dishonest with yourself and if you take the time to inform yourself you'll very probably see things differently from how you see them now (I know I did)
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Poultry's not that bad resource-wise but pigs and cows are horrible crimes against nature, I think we all agree and already know this we're just arguing about specifics and almonds.
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imagine being a medieval peasant only allowed to eat meat once every month for the feast day of some obscure saint and being transported to the future and being told that in the future, nobody is allowed to eat meat i mean yeah, meat is a luxury and excessive meat-eating is bad and unsustainable, but all I ask is that my life is strictly better than a medieval peasant's.
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:imagine being a medieval peasant only allowed to eat meat once every month for the feast day of some obscure saint and being transported to the future and being told that in the future, nobody is allowed to eat meat I think it's still kinda fancy to be able to eat all the meat you want and having that be such a non-thing that you can choose not to
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:imagine being a medieval peasant only allowed to eat meat once every month for the feast day of some obscure saint and being transported to the future and being told that in the future, nobody is allowed to eat meat Our non meat options are way better so unless you get cut down to barley based gruel you're always a step above your peasant predecessors
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:imagine being a medieval peasant only allowed to eat meat once every month for the feast day of some obscure saint and being transported to the future and being told that in the future, nobody is allowed to eat meat maybe there are more important gauges of quality of life than how much meat you eat
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