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Ragingsheep posted:Isn't it just Denuvo? Which the internet always complains about impacting performance but actually has little impact when it gets removed from games? VM packers like Denuvo do decimate the performance of whatever code they transform, but devs are supposed to mark performance-insensitive sections of code for it to mangle so the hot path isn't affected It's possible that CDPR neglected that process for a quick and dirty press-only build and let Denuvo mangle random sections of code
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Ragingsheep posted:Isn't it just Denuvo? Which the internet always complains about impacting performance but actually has little impact when it gets removed from games? Dont mean to pick on you but its frustrating how people are like "CDPR IS LYING CONSPIRACY" but then repeat basically Denuvo PR's marketing line. It is impossible to do any kind of encryption or DRM without an impact of some kind, and on a hastily slapped together review copy for a game that won't have DRM it could definitely have the 10-15% impact I think we're maybe talking about - especially on the minimums & frametimes.
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Verviticus posted:lol thats a very convenient excuse Shipon posted:Odds on this being real and not just CDPR lying to reviewers to cover their rear end? Gamers Nexus isn't a game company shill, they're arguably the most credible hardware review site there is now.
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GN isn't saying this in response to the general jankiness of the review copy of the game, just to make it clear that pre-release benchmarks are practically useless because of Denuvo being an unknown variable. Also, I think Steve is getting minor surgery before CP2077 comes out, so I don't know to which extent GN can release benchmarks for the game to offer some solid methodology to counter the less rigorous tests out there.
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Quick question on the EVGA Queue: If I got a notice for the XC3 Ultra 3070, but I really want one of the 3080 cards, so does buying the 3070 invalidate me getting the links for a 3080 card later? I can't find a straight answer easily. I was thinking of buying the 3070 for a friend and then waiting on the 3080, but if doing so takes me out of the running for a 3080, I won't.
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sean10mm posted:Gamers Nexus isn't a game company shill, they're arguably the most credible hardware review site there is now. I don't think Steve's lying about this, I'm saying that CDPR is lying (or could be lying) to him about it. The fact that he is open about this proves his credibility but he is also working off what they're saying so hopefully he's saying this based on his own judgement as well.
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Samadhi posted:Quick question on the EVGA Queue: If I got a notice for the XC3 Ultra 3070, but I really want one of the 3080 cards, so does buying the 3070 invalidate me getting the links for a 3080 card later? When they first started the queue they said that each card is its own thing. You can only buy one of each model you've signed up for, but buying one doesn't invalidate any of the others.
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Shipon posted:I don't think Steve's lying about this, I'm saying that CDPR is lying (or could be lying) to him about it. The fact that he is open about this proves his credibility but he is also working off what they're saying so hopefully he's saying this based on his own judgement as well. There's no lie there, though? The current builds have DRM. The release build will not. Even properly implemented DRM has a non-zero negative impact on performance, so whatever we're seeing today won't be 100% accurate. The question is how big an impact it makes, but unless CDPR gave them an actual figure for that (which it doesn't sound like they did), no one really knows if it's a 2% or a 20% difference.
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Samadhi posted:Quick question on the EVGA Queue: If I got a notice for the XC3 Ultra 3070, but I really want one of the 3080 cards, so does buying the 3070 invalidate me getting the links for a 3080 card later? Yes you can. If possible, I'd suggest you wait till January to try to step up just in case the rumors of the 3080ti end up being true.
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If with a patch, drivers update, and no DRM, I can play at 1440p60 maxed out on my 3080+8700k I’m happy. It took years of upgrades to play Witcher 3 that well.
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Animal posted:If with a patch, drivers update, and no DRM, I can play at 1440p60 maxed out on my 3080+8700k I’m happy. It took years of upgrades to play Witcher 3 that well. If you have an issue, I predict it’s your CPU, and if you really mean maxed including RT then you might dip below 60 now and then.
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bus hustler posted:the real winner? AMD that's what I was thinking, but I can imagine things looking differently after a few months of optimization patches
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That's not a bug! Dude had, uh, Boots of Minor Levitation! No problems here!
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I have seen several video clips now of enemies telegraphing their strikes well in advance and then performing the whole multi-second attack animation while the player backs up and shoots them over and over, repeatedly very good
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Shaocaholica posted:When can I run this garbage on my wireless Quest? as is tradition, EA are launching a respawn title at the same time as a much bigger title that will suck all of the oxygen out of the room they decided the best day to release would be the day after cyberpunk comes out
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I'm actually not fussed by any of the technical/gfx issues with CP2077 so far - they look minor by open world jank standards. i'm more concerned about the first person perspective - combat looks pretty dull across shooting/melee.
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I'm sure the clips we are seeing of CP2077 are from installations from discs that were pressed at least weeks ago. ...Right?
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gary oldmans diary posted:I'm sure the clips we are seeing of CP2077 are from installations from discs that were pressed at least weeks ago. ...Right? there's going to be a sizable day 1 patch already
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gary oldmans diary posted:I'm sure the clips we are seeing of CP2077 are from installations from discs that were pressed at least weeks ago. ...Right? Could be, or could be from the reviewer copy that got sent out ~2 weeks ago. Either way, it's without the "day 0" patch, though presumably the PC reviewer copy would be at least a newer build than whatever ended up getting pressed to disk. (also lol about the disks because with the ~45GB download patch + day 0 patch about the only thing usable off the disk is the opening splash screen)
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the console leakers say there's already a 40GB day 0 patch that just came out, separate from the day 1 patch due on launch day. from the PC Gamer impressions quote:We received a 50GB patch during our review period. CDPR referred to this patch as the Day 0 patch. When asked for clarification whether the patch will be what players were receiving at launch, a CDPR representative told us that the Day 0 patch is what people will be experiencing on launch day. It is the Day 1 patch, only different in name. More fixes will be rolled into the Day 0 (Day 1) patch, but we cannot specify exactly what. lamo
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gary oldmans diary posted:I'm sure the clips we are seeing of CP2077 are from installations from discs that were pressed at least weeks ago. ...Right?
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Scarecow posted:He makes no mention of what the IF was or if he got it to be synced 1:1 so really that was a waste of time, how ever you go and watch this video from someone who took the time to run things at both stock 3600mhz C14 and then sync the IF and ram 1:1 and with the memory tuned to 3800CL14 and tight subtimings, its a massive difference in performance at 4K yeah there's a lot of little nuances to it. I don't trust a lot of testing to get synchronous higher Infinity Fabric right. Tightening up DRAM helps a whole lot on Zen2/3. A quirk that would be interesting to see as well is Zen2 (and especially 3) seems to prefer using four ranks (either 4x single rank or 2x dual rank) ram which would probably be even better on AMD and that was only 2xSR ram. Also really funny that 5600/5800x is better for gaming than 5900/5950 but GN also found that as well. It would also be interesting to see if that gets even better using 56/5800x using new PBO +200-250mhz offset with Curve Optimizer while undervolting the cores to various levels.
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I have bought a GPU for everyone I know and I would like to open up my services to any interested parties. I'll f5 and monitor all the discords for you until I buy the GPU you want. Same price no matter the gpu. $100 for me, you pay paypal transactions fees and shipping to you. Any of the goons who have used my services are free to vouch. To date I gotten 3 3080s to goons and 4 to friends. If its on newegg I can probably get it, not only 3080s but any ampere and also 6800s. No payment due until I have it in hand ready to ship. US only PM if interested. Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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shrike82 posted:I'm actually not fussed by any of the technical/gfx issues with CP2077 so far - they look minor by open world jank standards. Reviews I read seem to suggest shooting is actually pretty good, though enemies are bullet spongy until your stats and gear improve past level 1 RPG garbo, but melee is meh.
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Fauxtool posted:I have bought a GPU for everyone I know and I would like to open up my services to any interested parties. I'll f5 and monitor all the discords for you I until buy the GPU you want. Sent you a PM. If OP is able to snag me a 3080 I'll sell my recently acquired 3070 to a goon in need.
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While I'm not in need exactly, I'd be willing to buy your 3070 and then turn around and sell the 2070 super I got six months ago to another goon and start a hand-me-down chain.
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Paul MaudDib posted:
The absence of a 3070 in these charts is also obnoxious. Voxx posted:cdpr loves to put in experimental or otherwise currently unattainable settings in their games. Witcher 2 had the notorious uber sampling setting that was a basic supersampling that just fucks over performance. Witcher 3 had hairworks and I think some other power hungry setting I can't recall. There's a bit of this. This game's low might be another games' high. Wouldn't be surprised if the outgoing generation of consoles have to upscale 720p though. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Lister posted:While I'm not in need exactly, I'd be willing to buy your 3070 and then turn around and sell the 2070 super I got six months ago to another goon and start a hand-me-down chain. Sure, I'll give you first dibs.
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Fauxtool posted:I have bought a GPU for everyone I know and I would like to open up my services to any interested parties. I'll f5 and monitor all the discords for you until I buy the GPU you want. PM sent
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https://dtf.ru/hard/279342-cyberpunk-2077-4k-skrinshoty-s-maksimalnymi-nastroykami-i-zametki-na-polyah-o-samoy-igre enabling raytracing appears to break tube area lights rt off  rt on  rt off  rt on 
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That's how you know it's adult and mature.
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Fauxtool posted:I have bought a GPU for everyone I know and I would like to open up my services to any interested parties. I'll f5 and monitor all the discords for you until I buy the GPU you want. Please post a thread in SA Mart and have people buying from you post in it. You can link it in this thread if you want. Thank you.
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Finally got a 3070 for a friend woo it actually went to Shipping at Newegg. 
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repiv posted:https://dtf.ru/hard/279342-cyberpunk-2077-4k-skrinshoty-s-maksimalnymi-nastroykami-i-zametki-na-polyah-o-samoy-igre If that holds up then it looks like a weird case where RT looks significantly worse.
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Its totally useless bothering to look at graphics of a game that is pre release and does not have the Day 1 patch or Game ready drivers applied to it
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CaptainSarcastic posted:If that holds up then it looks like a weird case where RT looks significantly worse. Metro Exodus actually kind of looked simultaneously worse with it on than off. there were times it did look good, better even, but also other times it looked a lot worse.   off vs on.  part of that is they did such a good job with static lighting dynamic stuff that it wasn't needed. i dont know how 2077's implementation was done, it might have been tacked on at the last second and they spent a lot of work setting up their static lighting in an hard-coded sort of way that doesn't play nicely when that's over-rode with ray trace lighting which would be a lot of work to fix or maybe the properties for neon lights weren't plugged into the raytracing code and looks like some of the reflectivity property of the surfaces is way too high which is an easy fix. or maybe it's a bug somewhere. Xaris fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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In control the lighting is good, but it's the reflections that are really good looking Apparently reflections are only enabled at the ultra level lol
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