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Lamuella posted:If anyone's interested in an academic discussion of wrestling, I can recommend The Grappling Arts podcast. Is the promotion any good at all?
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oh but seriously I posted:Is the promotion any good at all? I really like it. They produce a similar sort of product to Riptide. Very character-led, very much focused on performance, and they've produced some outstanding matches. The Spike Trivet vs Cara Noir one is a favourite of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Unz69XIOU They also did an amazing 3 match series with Charli Evans vs Kanji (singles match, 2/3 falls, Iron Woman match) which isn't available online for free but has breathtaking storytelling.
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Does this guy know Bryan's a shooter? https://twitter.com/MikeJ0nesssssss/status/1335743818797355020?s=19
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didn't bryan and filthy tom roll once and both said it was closer than you think it would be considering bryan is 4 feet tall and tom used to fight professionally
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Pinche Rudo posted:Does this guy know Bryan's a shooter? maybe he wants to get his arm broken.
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The Bryan Alverez open challenge would be a hit on twitch.
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Smoking Crow posted:didn't bryan and filthy tom roll once and both said it was closer than you think it would be considering bryan is 4 feet tall and tom used to fight professionally If we based this on his professional career Tom dominated early then pretty much gave up and Bryan came back for the win.
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forkboy84 posted:Dave being absolutely unwilling to accept that Tana is being moved to Dad status is hilarious. dave's right, tho
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Endless Mike posted:No, he knows with complete certainty that he won't. If there was even an inkling that he would, he wouldn't be saying a thing. Yeah he's doing the Mark Twain Million Pound Bank Note thing of using the idea that he's going to be involved to get him more clout among the people who aren't following the process.
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It's the most wonderful time of the year! https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/status/1335816158470172673
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Chico stretching WWE superfans would be hilarious. keep them in a submission until they admit who won the demo
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Has Dave always gone "Bing bing bing bing bing" and I just haven't noticed until now?
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Bryan desperately trying to talk Dave down from saying Orton is bad
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OctoberCountry posted:Bryan desperately trying to talk Dave down from saying Orton is bad Bryan saying hes coming to this conclusion after having a match on raw against Bray Wyatt in his mister rogers outfit got a laugh out of me.
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OctoberCountry posted:Bryan desperately trying to talk Dave down from saying Orton is bad 100% agree that Orton is completely milquetoast. e: WWE booking is tearing Bryan and Dave apart 
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Just listened to CM Punk on Renee’s podcast. Really enjoyable. His usual charming yet prickly self. He sounded more warm about a return to wrestling than anything I’ve heard previously, but still not likely to happen. Check it out if you’re a fellow Punk Mark.
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Dave's BTE re-caps continue to be great "So Adam Page is essentially a liquor mouse"
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Dango Bango posted:100% agree that Orton is completely milquetoast. Yeah, Dave's right; Orton is incredibly boring and has been massively overrated by WWE management for his entire career.
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Orton sucks. I wanna poo poo in his gym bag
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CombineThresher posted:Yeah, Dave's right; Orton is incredibly boring and has been massively overrated by WWE management for his entire career. It really hit me when Dave asked what memorable Orton matches there were besides Foley and Edge this year. I legit can't think of one that stands out.
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Dango Bango posted:It really hit me when Dave asked what memorable Orton matches there were besides Foley and Edge this year. I legit can't think of one that stands out. There’s the Christian series and a decent Mark Henry match but I really can’t think of many Orton matches above the four star level.
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The Orton match I would point to for years was the Shawn Michaels match where the superkick was banned but that match was 12 years ago the guy needs to go and have another good match.
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There was the main event of WM30 but it had nothing at all to do with Orton
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The problem isn't really "Orton is bad and doesn't have a lot of 4 star matches" it's that not many guys from WWE over the last 20 years do. I'd really be interested to see someone go through the last 15 years of observers and tally up the star ratings for each guy. I'll bet each major WWE guy is probably averaging less that 3.5 stars.
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I remember when Orton won the title for the first time from ______ but I was there live and the rest of that show was completely unmemorable. That was also in 2004.
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I've got his Mania 31 match with Rollins and his Hell in a Cell match with Jeff Hardy both at *** 3/4. His Jericho match at 2014 Night of Champions was about four stars. He's more talented than his match output would show, supposedly, but at some point if you're a good worker, you have good matches, right?
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As far as I’m aware he’s almost everyone’s favourite wrestler to work with because he’s super sound and smooth as a worker, so he’ll never carelessly hurt you or make your stuff look like poo poo or be out of position for a spot, but that doesn’t really translate into exciting matches
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Orton is one of the most talented guys I have no interest in. He wrestles absolutely sound matches that don't get me excited. He cuts skillful promos that leave me cold. He has decently executed storylines that I don't care about. He is an entirely well produced unit of TV quality wrestling product.
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He's never had a match that makes you go "holy poo poo...hell loving yes!!!" All of Orton's best moments can be expressed in five second gifs
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Lamuella posted:He cuts skillful promos that leave me cold. I can't even give him that much since he does the same promo voice as Low Ki. I get it if other wrestlers like working with him because he's safe and not a klutz but I'm a fan watching these matches and 95% of them are super boring. PaybackJack posted:The problem isn't really "Orton is bad and doesn't have a lot of 4 star matches" it's that not many guys from WWE over the last 20 years do. I'd really be interested to see someone go through the last 15 years of observers and tally up the star ratings for each guy. I'll bet each major WWE guy is probably averaging less that 3.5 stars. True, but most WWE guys aren't constantly put over as one of the best ever by every retired legend under contract, either.
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I think part of it might be that, for whatever reason, Orton has had a habit of choking as far as putting on quality PPV matches. There are exceptions—he had a strong run of PPV matches in 2011, for example (better because he was a babyface, maybe?)—but when I think about Orton matches I like that aren't the big famous ones, they're usually TV matches and often much better than his PPV matches with the same opponents. The Daniel Bryan PPV feud was famously tepid in the ring, but they had excellent matches on TV a few months earlier. The Benoit rematch on Raw the night after the title switch was better than the PPV match. (Their SmackDown feud with Orton as Booker T's proxy in the best of seven series was really strong, too.) The awesome 2006 match with Rey was on SmackDown. And so on. Again, there are exceptions, but by and large, he has a history of being much more consistent on TV than on PPV. The best guess I can think of is that he has a certain philosophy for working a big match that's very deliberate, but he's not pacing himself that way for TV? It would explain why he has a bunch of fun mid-card to upper mid-card WrestleMania matches, too, because when you look at them, he didn't really have the time to do The Randy Orton Thing in them: vs. Undertaker at WM21 was just over 14 minutes. vs. Angle and Rey at WM22 was just over 9 minutes. vs. Triple H and Cena at WM24 was, again, just over 14 minutes. vs. Punk at WM27 was just under 15 minutes. vs. Rollins at WM31 was just over 13 minutes. The best of the long ones, the WM30 main event vs. Bryan and Batista (23+ minutes), meanwhile, is one where the layout clearly had a lot of outside creative input to resolve the dangling storyline threads (and, maybe, get the crowd back from Brock ending The Undertaker's streak) and isn't A Randy Orton Match at all. So maybe it's this and I figured it out? Even if the arguable best performance of his career (this year vs. Edge in The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever) was super long and not really worked as A Randy Orton Match.
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Remember when they edited the WM31 match after the fact and cut out the curbstomp into RKO spot?
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Endless Mike posted:Remember when they edited the WM31 match after the fact and cut out the curbstomp into RKO spot? haha what, jfc
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Endless Mike posted:Remember when they edited the WM31 match after the fact and cut out the curbstomp into RKO spot? You mean they cut out the only memorable thing about that match?
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Punch McLightning posted:haha what, jfc Insertnamehere31 posted:You mean they cut out the only memorable thing about that match?  I could have sworn they did it in the Orton match, too, but I can't find anything to verify that.
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OctoberCountry posted:Bryan desperately trying to talk Dave down from saying Orton is bad oh please be the end of Dave bemoaning Orton not being in the Hall of Fame and he's realised what we already knew for years
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