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Krustic posted:I really want to try out one of those new worn Epiphone Casinos. I've bonded pretty quick with every Casino and Sheraton guitar I've ever tried, but I'm just trying to figure out why they cost 200 dollars less than a regular casino. The worn finish is cheaper to do. However, they're still going to charge A$1100 down here so gently caress that, I have no idea why they think they can when I can literally import one from thomann.de for about A$850 (and $170 is the shipping) and I'm seriously considering it.
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I'll ask this here as well as the wood thread, since it's a guitar neck. I brillo padded off the gloss on my CV neck and put on a coat of turtle wax. That's OK, but if I change my mind and want to do a proper satin poly, what would be the best way to clean the wax off first?
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Dec 7, 2020 20:22
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Would a clay bar work for that?
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Dec 7, 2020 20:32
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Huxley posted:I'll ask this here as well as the wood thread, since it's a guitar neck. The good news is you won't change your mind because a wax finish on a neck is much, much better than poly. 
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Dec 7, 2020 22:39
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Huxley posted:I'll ask this here as well as the wood thread, since it's a guitar neck. What were you hoping to accomplish with the car wax? You can use something like Dawn dish soap to get it off. You'll probably want to clean it further with something like isopropyl alcohol right before you paint, but using a 3M pad should be able to get you a nice satin finish without respraying it (assuming you didn't really mess up the original finish with that Brillo pad).
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Dec 7, 2020 23:31
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ewe2 posted:The worn finish is cheaper to do. However, they're still going to charge A$1100 down here so gently caress that, I have no idea why they think they can when I can literally import one from thomann.de for about A$850 (and $170 is the shipping) and I'm seriously considering it. That sucks. Sorry guitar manufacturers hate your country. Saving 250 would be worth the wait.
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Dec 8, 2020 02:02
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After about 2.5 months of playing every day, I finally changed the strings on my guitar for the first time. I was just using whatever strings it came with. I put 9s on, because that's what I saw recommended for beginners. The old strings were definitely heavier, maybe 10s, I dunno. The biggest difference I notice is longer sustain. The lighter gauge is definitely noticeable. I have to be much more careful about not bending the string out of tune, or the high E string off the fretboard entirely. Kinda frustrating to suddenly be worse at playing, haha. I'll get used to it.
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Dec 8, 2020 03:53
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Tell me I'm only two weeks into learning and I don't need to buy a $750 guitar. https://www.espguitars.com/products/21376-viper-400
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Dec 8, 2020 06:58
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spend the money on lessons and instantly improve the sound of all of your gear, permanently (assuming you practice)
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Dec 8, 2020 07:03
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So will a pinkberry fade sg tho.
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When I first started really getting into it, I bought a wishlist guitar that now just sits in the case. Every day, I just reach for my tele and acoustic. But that new guitar sure excited me and had me motivated to pick it off the stand every day. Even though I changed and don't much care for its sound that much anymore, it's still something I hold on to. I agree with Beer Gas that lessons hold a shload of value, but I also see the value in feeding the beast. Learning to play guitar is a hard and rewarding thing to do, and encouraging yourself is a part of the process. Plus, good gear holds its value.
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Dec 8, 2020 07:36
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Man, I just realized I haven't seen rio post in such a long time. I hope you're doing well, dude.
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Gosh darn I would kill for some in-person lesssons right now. I just want to play with someone. 
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Does anyone else prefer piano style sheet music to guitar tabs? I think there is absolutely more carry over into general musicianship, reading from sheet music, compared to a tab which although very specific, feels limiting in a wider scope. You can really learn a lot about guitar by transposing the piano sheets to the fretboard. It makes you approach the instrument in a way separate from your habits, while also thinking about how to best play the notes and what changes to make. I mainly approach guitar in a classical style so I can't really speak for flatpicking. Being a piano player first in my mind, maintaining those skills while not also having a piano in front of me, i think reading from sheets helps. Plus the songs your learn sound great, so many tunes to choose from.
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Dec 8, 2020 14:12
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Yeah I would also love some in-person lessons if it were feasible. Right now I'm just cruising through the JustinGuitar lessons. I think my wife is getting us some kind of paid online course and Rocksmith for Christmas but a proper instructor is a no-go for now.
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Dec 8, 2020 14:22
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Cheese Thief posted:Does anyone else prefer piano style sheet music to guitar tabs? I think there is absolutely more carry over into general musicianship, reading from sheet music, compared to a tab which although very specific, feels limiting in a wider scope. You can really learn a lot about guitar by transposing the piano sheets to the fretboard. It makes you approach the instrument in a way separate from your habits, while also thinking about how to best play the notes and what changes to make. I mainly approach guitar in a classical style so I can't really speak for flatpicking. Being a piano player first in my mind, maintaining those skills while not also having a piano in front of me, i think reading from sheets helps. Plus the songs your learn sound great, so many tunes to choose from. Absolutely. I come from a violin/cello background, while a chord diagram can be useful now and then, tab generally annoys the hell out of me. my brain gets a much better 'grasp' on the song reading from a stave than from a tab obviously there's no end to exceptional players who don't know anything about notation or theory, but I still think its something everyone should be encouraged to study.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:00
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There's no right or wrong way to test music (though spelling it out is pretty close (boop doo bee boo)) I wish I had the patience to get used to staff notation, as it is I have to count my way through every drat note, unless I know the song and can just guess from the scale. I think it's limited in terms of how to accent the note, stuff like hammer ons, bends, pinch harmonics and slides just feel easier in tab. Palm muting and upstroke/downstroke is about the same, but looks weird in staff. Anyway, just play A minor pentatonic blues forever, that way you don't have to read poo poo.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:48
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outside of classical performance and odd things like session work and musical theater, you're not going to come across sheet music that much beyond fake book style charts it's a good thing to learn, but for the vast majority of guitarists it's functionally an academic exercise
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Dec 8, 2020 20:13
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That's not entirely wrong, but I do enjoy playing melodies from songs on the guitar, and it's not hard to find those in staff. Obviously not Master of Puppets, but children's songs and folk classics. But that's also the kind of stuff you can just pick up by ear.
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Dec 8, 2020 20:21
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Sight reading from sheet music is tough for me on guitar (though I'm getting there on bass), but being able to transcribe from staff to tab is super useful. All these songs I've done for church during quar have been done that way. Play the bass line straight out of the hymnal, then transcribe the melody into musescore. I recognize the other difference between them is I've taken the time to learn one and not the other, but knowing enough staff to do it is handy.
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Dec 8, 2020 20:25
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I was bored at an old job and found a little casio keyboard then pulled up the sheet music for various melodies from ocarina of time and then just Every Good Boy Deserves Fudged my way into figuring them out on the piano. I can't sight read for poo poo and both sheet music and tab require me to hear the song along with them before I actually get it. I've been that way since I was a kid. I bet if I worked at it I could be better at it but whatever
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The thing I'm struggling with learning right now is, these church songs are hymns obviously, but with no singing. My time to fill is usually 2-3 minutes, so I end up going through 2-3 times. But there aren't words and I can't just play it straight 3x through and call it a day. So my hierarchy is something like, Play it straight Play it with rhythmic variation, slides, hammers etc Play around further with the melody but up an octave Write an entire new line, trying to hit the big resolves in such a way that it's still "there" but isn't. And it's that last one that really melts my brain. It's SO HARD for me to improvise a melody inside a scale. Everything ends up too notey and too scaley. And I understand that "32 bars of improvisation in F major" is the kind of thing people to go college to learn to do. And also the answer is probably just, "play pentatonic you dummy." But I'm obstinate. (The actual, actual answer is probably "listen to more music.")
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Huxley posted:The thing I'm struggling with learning right now is, these church songs are hymns obviously, but with no singing. My time to fill is usually 2-3 minutes, so I end up going through 2-3 times. But there aren't words and I can't just play it straight 3x through and call it a day. This sounds dumb but I can back it up with peer reviewed research: to get better at improv you need to turn off your brain. Seriously Sections of your frontal cortex get suppressed while other sections light up when improvising music. You know your chops and scales, so relax. Get comfy, put on a backing track (or have someone play a rhythm part along with you) and get into the groove. Turn off your brain, don't let wrong notes gently caress up your flow and just go with it.
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BonHair posted:That's not entirely wrong, but I do enjoy playing melodies from songs on the guitar, and it's not hard to find those in staff. Obviously not Master of Puppets funnily enough they have an "official" transcription book with notation it's riddled with errors and it's the basis for about 75% of tabs floating around Huxley posted:And it's that last one that really melts my brain. It's SO HARD for me to improvise a melody inside a scale. Everything ends up too notey and too scaley. And I understand that "32 bars of improvisation in F major" is the kind of thing people to go college to learn to do. And also the answer is probably just, "play pentatonic you dummy." But I'm obstinate. play the same melody in a different position than you normally would and use spread triads following the chords to connect melodic lines that's an instant fool people into thinking you're a genius trick The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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Huxley posted:Sight reading from sheet music is tough for me on guitar (though I'm getting there on bass), but being able to transcribe from staff to tab is super useful. Yeah, especially since a given note is in multiple places on a guitar and you may not be able to play the piece if you start from the wrong position. But I do like transcribing from sheet. It makes me have to really think about where the note I want is, how it fits in the piece, and forces me to really think hard about what key I'm supposed to be in and why a certain note just doesn't work.
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My process is basically, play the bassline straight from here (maybe the 2nd time through I'll do some of the higher bass-hand stuff, but only if it feels comfortable, I'm still very much a new bass player). Then put the melody into musescore  Play it once "pretty" maybe mixing in some double stops as they come easily, then go up the octave starting with the g-string F on fret 10 and trying to make something happen. It's fun and I'm learning a lot but it's tough. But I've always found I seem to make my biggest advances when I have something that someone else is going to see, so it's nice having an outlet. The idea being a very poor man's Bill Frisell/Thomas Morgan. Huxley fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Cheese Thief posted:Does anyone else prefer piano style sheet music to guitar tabs? I think there is absolutely more carry over into general musicianship, reading from sheet music, compared to a tab which although very specific, feels limiting in a wider scope. You can really learn a lot about guitar by transposing the piano sheets to the fretboard. It makes you approach the instrument in a way separate from your habits, while also thinking about how to best play the notes and what changes to make. I mainly approach guitar in a classical style so I can't really speak for flatpicking. Being a piano player first in my mind, maintaining those skills while not also having a piano in front of me, i think reading from sheets helps. Plus the songs your learn sound great, so many tunes to choose from. I do but that's because my music background is voice and I play a bunch of stuff so it was easier for me to just learn how to play bass & guitar via sheet music. I am a pretty "un rock" player. My own stuff on guitar is pretty percussive so it usually isn't very complicated. I dick around with a lot of folk stuff like klezmer and Irish tunes so it's usually trying to figure out a dulcimer part or, like, a Tin Pan Alley tunebook from the 20s.
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:I do but that's because my music background is voice and I play a bunch of stuff so it was easier for me to just learn how to play bass & guitar via sheet music. I am a pretty "un rock" player. My own stuff on guitar is pretty percussive so it usually isn't very complicated. I dick around with a lot of folk stuff like klezmer and Irish tunes so it's usually trying to figure out a dulcimer part or, like, a Tin Pan Alley tunebook from the 20s. Cool, it's hard sometimes because the lowest note is an E, unless you drop D. So changes are made to the original score. Yea I've used tin pan alley, public domain sheets in the past for inspiration when i was putting chiptune sequences into a tracker. Did you know the original Legend of Zelda theme was to be an Erik Satie composition? Koji Kondo had to change the song at the last minute due to some copywright/release issues. One thing I enjoy doing is finding my favorite video game songs, in piano form, and playing them on the guitar. Especially those Super Nintendo RPGs, such strong melodies. I think Video Game compositions are the modern classical music. Cheese Thief fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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gently caress the D chord. Im trying to play my first song (You Were Cool by The Mountain Goats) and I am getting okay at transitioning through the chords but my fingers don't wanna do the D fingering or do it sloppy. I know the solution is just to drill it more but I wanna play that song Now! 😅
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mango sentinel posted:gently caress the D chord. Im trying to play my first song (You Were Cool by The Mountain Goats) and I am getting okay at transitioning through the chords but my fingers don't wanna do the D fingering or do it sloppy. I know the solution is just to drill it more but I wanna play that song Now! 😅 Just wait until you get to F
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Spanish Manlove posted:Just wait until you get to F I'm not there yet but it's looming over me because I'm looking at Pat the Bunny songs I want learn and they all have F or Bm chords 
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mango sentinel posted:I'm not there yet but it's looming over me because I'm looking at Pat the Bunny songs I want learn and they all have F or Bm chords Learn "house of the rising sun" and you'll be a champion of chord changes. But yeah, bar chords at lower frets are a killer as youre learning. So don't feel bad, it takes time. Build up strength and get to it. You can do it.
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mango sentinel posted:gently caress the D chord. Im trying to play my first song (You Were Cool by The Mountain Goats) and I am getting okay at transitioning through the chords but my fingers don't wanna do the D fingering or do it sloppy. I know the solution is just to drill it more but I wanna play that song Now! 😅 Sub in power chords. Cheese Thief posted:Cool, it's hard sometimes because the lowest note is an E, unless you drop D. So changes are made to the original score. Yea I've used tin pan alley, public domain sheets in the past for inspiration when i was putting chiptune sequences into a tracker. Did you know the original Legend of Zelda theme was to be an Erik Satie composition? Koji Kondo had to change the song at the last minute due to some copywright/release issues. Oh neat, I was unaware of Erik Satie. I am going to check him out. Thanks! I definitely think that game/movie scoring is an aspect of classical music that has really exploded. I thought New Music was going to be awesome for a minute there until I realized it was largely academics complaining that no one comes to their shows outside of Brooklyn. NC Wyeth Death Cult fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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remember that practice requires multiple days' (or weeks or months) worth of repetition to be worth a drat. you need sleep in order to retain long term motor skills. when you get stuck on something, play it daily for 2 or 3 weeks, going as slowly as needed to get an OK sound, always making sure the order of notes & chords is correct - don't overlook mistakes. fix them and repeat the fixed passage several times in a row. if you make a mistake (wrong chord, bad fingering, etc), but continue to play the following passage, you'll memorize the mistake instead. practice should look kind of like this most of the time: 1) start playing the song/passage/chord/scale whatever that you want to learn. you don't have to start from the beginning. it's a waste of time to always repeat the beginning if you can already play it, so i often just skip to the most difficult part at present and start hacking away. 2) play until you make a mistake 3) play the thing you missed, and only that thing, many times 4) move backwards in the music just a little bit. maybe to the start of a chorus, say, or better yet play only the stuff immediately preceding the mistake. you need to "patch" over the missed passage with the correct information, and forget whatever the mistake was. Muscle memory is EXTREMELY sticky, moreso than your conscious memory, and a handful of careless repetitions of the same mistake can turn a simple problem into a weeks-long cycle of correction. play SLOWLY. treat it like you're pouring cement - whatever you do today, will show up in your practice tomorrow, and it's the ONLY THING that will show up. WYHIWYG next time. don't worry about making poo poo sound like MUSIC right away - get the mechanical movements down, then apply your ear actively to influence your machinery. over time, this memorization period will shrink significantly, until chording is as immediate as typing at the keyboard.
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As someone much smarter than I once said: “Practice doesn’t make perfect; practice makes permanent.”
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mango sentinel posted:gently caress the D chord. Im trying to play my first song (You Were Cool by The Mountain Goats) and I am getting okay at transitioning through the chords but my fingers don't wanna do the D fingering or do it sloppy. I know the solution is just to drill it more but I wanna play that song Now! 😅 Did you know you can play D as xx0235 ? I like that way a little better xx023x would be easier, thats a fine way to play it if the pinky is a thing
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Cheese Thief posted:Did you know you can play D as xx0235 ? I like that way a little better that's not really Dmaj, it's an extended power chord
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Spanish Manlove posted:that's not really Dmaj, it's an extended power chord i just have zero zero interest in knowing names of chords, but we went through that already in the bass thread lol. I don't play in bands but i know it can be useful in talking to other guitar players
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to be honest i rarely play a chord, usually i play one two or three strings at a time, sometimes 4 but i don't strum
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dude come on, knowing the difference between major, minor, and "other" is loving day one level poo poo you should know.
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