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Schwarzwald posted:OT Thesis: Ah, neoliberalism.
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Polo-Rican posted:It would have unironically kicked rear end if they had Boba's helmet fall off in Return of the Jedi... show the audience this face, glasses and all, right before he falls into the Sarlacc Pit. Would Boba have remained a revered figure among nerds in the decades following the OT, or would seeing the face quash that? I think that guy was only Boba for the SE reshoots in the 90s
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Dec 8, 2020 17:49
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I looked at the influx of recent posts and expected them to be about the unexpected return of an old favorite, I just didn't think it would be Cnut.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:05
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AdmiralViscen posted:I think that guy was only Boba for the SE reshoots in the 90s  He retired from doing convention appearances a couple years ago, so I doubt we'll see him pop up in anything more than a brief cameo.
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Dec 8, 2020 19:45
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It's pretty obvious the prequels are about Lucas processing his traumatic breakup with Marcia. All other readings are secondary to that.
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Dec 8, 2020 21:50
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Basebf555 posted:Are glasses a thing in Star Wars? Has anyone ever worn glasses in a Star Wars movie? I guess Vader, technically speaking. 
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Dec 8, 2020 23:04
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porfiria posted:It's pretty obvious the prequels are about Lucas processing his traumatic breakup with Spielberg. All other readings are secondary to that.
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Dec 8, 2020 23:05
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The United States posted:Also, frankly, if there aren't any clunky lines then it ain't Star Wars Or a mix of good and bad sfx
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Dec 8, 2020 23:08
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There was a guy in Rebels who was just straight-up Pablo Hidalgo, glasses and all Chopper blew him up good
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Dec 8, 2020 23:08
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even if we interpret gl's word as god he explicitly says on the TPM commentary track that the jedi are basically behaving like mafia enforcers on behalf of the senate
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Dec 8, 2020 23:10
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Clearly Lucas is in favor of thugenomics.
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Dec 8, 2020 23:58
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Lt. Danger posted:I mean this reads as incredibly dry sarcasm to me Yeah, he's been known to do this And even not, he's clearly speaking from the republican perception in that instance.
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Dec 9, 2020 00:07
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Cnut the Great posted:They've ceded all authority over political matters to the galactic government they serve. The interesting about this is that it also perfectly describes the WW2 army of the wermacht, the word galactic aside. One of the key criticisms of the wermacht was they declared themselves politically neutral, which of course massively aided the oppressive government, which parallels Star Wars. Though, in that case, the government at the beginning is merely lovely rather than actually evil. Alan Clark goes into a fair bit of detail, but the idea of 'we were just following orders' started at the highest levels of German command.
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Dec 9, 2020 00:21
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WIlford Brimley wore glasses in the second ewok movie
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ungulateman posted:even if we interpret gl's word as god he explicitly says on the TPM commentary track that the jedi are basically behaving like mafia enforcers on behalf of the senate He's right because he's George Lucas and they make this explicit in Clone Wars also when Asohka and [Barris?] have a conversation about how they're Jedi and are therefore supposed to be peacekeepers and one of them says with disillusion that like "we are peacekeepers, just being a peacekeeper means killing whoever the Republic tells you to" and it was cool to have a kids show speak in such ways.
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Dec 9, 2020 04:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po3Cdswi99k
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Dec 9, 2020 05:21
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Lt. Danger posted:I mean this reads as incredibly dry sarcasm to me You can't be serious. Blood Boils posted:Yeah, he's been known to do this He's explaining his views on the Jedi to an interviewer seeking insights about the films. He isn't being an obscurantist or trying to trick him with dry sarcasm. You people are truly incredible. Just do the Death of the Author thing, seriously. It's far less painful. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Dec 9, 2020 05:58
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Sarcasm isn't really a trick like spinning, and I agree he's not being obscurantist? But like you said, he's dead and that is how the Republic and the monks perceive the Jedi, even when they are obviously wrong.
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Dec 9, 2020 06:18
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ungulateman posted:even if we interpret gl's word as god he explicitly says on the TPM commentary track that the jedi are basically behaving like mafia enforcers on behalf of the senate Yes, you guys have managed to zero in on the one thing he's being jokey and facetious about and take it 100% seriously, while constructing an elaborate narrative where Lucas is always trying to trick people interviewing him in good faith whenever he says something you don't like. Here's Lucas talking to a group of students and answering questions in 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TdGd0MlmvI&t=1280s quote:Student: Was the Jedi, the idea of the Jedi, based on compassion? Or love, or...? He isn't being sarcastic or trying to gently caress with these kids, either. He's just being a normal person. And you can see that when he says the Jedi are kind of like the mafia, he laughs, because he obviously isn't being entirely serious. What he is being serious about, on the other hand, is the idea that the Jedi are "compassionate negotiators" who are "not fighters" and who "don't like to use" their lightsabers, but will if they're forced to. Blood Boils posted:Sarcasm isn't really a trick like spinning, and I agree he's not being obscurantist? But like you said, he's dead and that is how the Republic and the monks perceive the Jedi, even when they are obviously wrong. "I" never said he's dead. That was the text speaking. This post, and all "my" posts, are separate and independent texts which may relate to each other in various ways, but don't necessarily lend themselves to one consistent interpretation. I find this freedom from accountability liberating.
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Dec 9, 2020 06:40
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The phrase “the Jedi have moral authority in the Republic” is true. The phrase “Palpatine has moral authority in the Empire” is also true. Slavery is moral on Jakkooine, etc.
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Dec 9, 2020 06:49
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josh04 posted:Laughing my rear end off at the thought of George Lucas saying "They're the most moral of anybody in the galaxy!", with a little flourish and hand gesture for "They're monks!" This is 100% correct, and there is a valid critique to be made of the way the films portray the Jedi's role as heroic, given some of the arguably authoritarian undertones in their job description. But the point is that this is a viewer's critique of the film, not the film's critique of the Jedi. The narrative presented by the films ceases to make any sense if the Jedi do not start out essentially good and virtuous in their function as conflict mediators for the Republic. There cannot be a decline if there is no established baseline of heroism. The opening sequence of Episode I (and really the film as a whole) establishes who the Jedi are and what their role is supposed to be in the galaxy. When Qui-Gon says, "I can only protect you. I can't fight a war for you," that's a statement about who the Jedi are. Episode II introduces the complication that causes the Jedi to stray from who they are. At the beginning of the movie, Mace Windu again explains the role of the Jedi: "We're keepers of the peace. Not soldiers." Yet by the end of the film, they've been driven by hard circumstance into forgoing their peacekeeping role and becoming soldiers. This is the beginning of their moral degradation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEET8IdkRnY&t=351s quote:George Lucas: The Jedi are always sort of fighting this reality of the fact that they're, in essence, diplomats. They sort of persuade people to do the right thing, but their job isn't really to go around fighting people. Yet they're now used as generals and they're fighting in a war. They're doing something they really weren't meant to do. The cause of their fall is their participation in war. It's why Yoda tells Luke, "Wars not make one great." It may be that war becomes necessary and that soldiers must be soldiers, but the Jedi are monks. They need to be something else, because if they aren't, no one else will be, and everything falls to pieces. That doesn't mean standing by and letting people die because you're ignoring who the good guys and bad guys are. But it does mean taking a more conscientious view of what it is exactly that you're doing, whether you're fighting for the right reasons, and whether you're even fighting the right people. It's hard to do that when you've taken command of an army for one side. Does this make sense in light of how the Jedi are portrayed as operating at the best of times? Maybe not! But that's a problem with the films. SuperMechagodzilla posted:The phrase “the Jedi have moral authority in the Republic” is true. The phrase "I have moral authority over SMG's taint/ball area" is also true.
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Cnut the Great posted:The phrase "I have moral authority over SMG's taint/ball area" is also true. Is there something you want to tell us?
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imagining cnut getting increasingly heated by george lucas' earnest, serious comments about "darth insanius" being a sith name
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Darth Explodio
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Cnut the Great posted:Yes, you guys have managed to zero in on the one thing he's being jokey and facetious about and take it 100% seriously, while constructing an elaborate narrative where Lucas is always trying to trick people interviewing him in good faith whenever he says something you don't like. It seems to me that he laughs because what he said is funny. He doesn't laugh after his followup line in which he points out that Jedi carry flashy lethal weapons around to serve as implicit threats.
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Dec 9, 2020 08:23
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https://twitter.com/TheMarcFillion/status/908754644893126656
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Darth Insanius: ridiculous, implausible, only an utter fool could assume it was not meant in jest Darth Plagueis: solemn, serious, an excellent choice to use in a pivotal scene
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Darth Insanius: ridiculous, implausible, only an utter fool could assume it was not meant in jest Precisely.
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Dec 9, 2020 08:30
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The Virgin Insanius and the Chad Plaguies
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Dec 9, 2020 08:37
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The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise and the Comedy of Darth Insanius the Joker.
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Dec 9, 2020 08:39
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Problem is a Sith name needs to be ridiculously on the nose. Darth Plagueis was a bioweapon expert, Darth Sidious is a masterful manipulator who orchestrates the takeover of a galactic civilisation while running both sides of a war, Darth Vader is a dad, Darth Maul is a killing machine, etc. also come to think of it, the Joker pretty much does the 'strike me down with all of your hatred' thing to Batman on a regular basis
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Dec 9, 2020 08:52
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Darth Icky has a really bad streaming cold.
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Dec 9, 2020 09:26
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I feel like George probably didn't intend much of the subtext that deeper readings of the prequels like to explore... I get the impression that in George's world there's not much thought to the moral subjectivity of the Jedi - from most of his interviews I gather his version of Star Wars at its core is about good vs evil. There isn't much morally grey. I'm not sure if he'd confer exactly with the ideas of the Republic and the Jedi Order being corrupt / deeply flawed by nature, other than those parts where they're clearly being manipulated against their will into a war that they're not suited for. Especially when you read his comments about things like Han shooting last or the desire to not showing people dying. Though the prequels are played so drat straight it's hard to tell either way. If anything, it makes them infinitely more interesting to talk about than actually watch.
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remember how george added maclunkey to a new hope for seemingly no reason beyond as a last laugh after selling it to disney
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Isometric Bacon posted:I feel like George probably didn't intend much of the subtext that deeper readings of the prequels like to explore... This interview is fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VRYKlnEP7o It tells you a lot about the things that Lucas cares about in his filmmaking and it's notable for the things he doesn't spend any time talking about.
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Cnut the Great posted:Yes, you guys have managed to zero in on the one thing he's being jokey and facetious about and take it 100% seriously, while constructing an elaborate narrative where Lucas is always trying to trick people interviewing him in good faith whenever he says something you don't like. He literally says in your quote that we never see much of the Jedi behaving the way they should behave on-screen, because the war is already on in all three movies. He doesn’t say that the Jedi fail at their basic job only when they show up with an army almost 2/3rds through the trilogy. “Lucas: Yeah. It's based on compassion...The Jedi's basic job in the beginning--which we never get to see too much of because we start really during the war” Pretty explicit that what the Jedi are “based on” is not shown to the viewer on screen, because they are not doing the right thing throughout the time he is showing them to us.
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Dec 9, 2020 13:27
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Feels like an early case of the modern franchise problem where they keep cutting context out because they think it'll confuse audiences, and end up with a movie that doesn't make sense and confuses audiences.
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Dec 9, 2020 13:46
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Alchenar posted:This interview is fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VRYKlnEP7o Thanks for sharing that. I love hearing about Lucas' accomplishments in creating and developing tech and visual effects, which is something I think often gets overshadowed by the quality of his films. I think it's hard to remember he's made pretty much all of his films outside the traditional movie studio environment, which was a pretty crazy undertaking.
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Dec 9, 2020 14:50
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porfiria posted:It's pretty obvious the prequels are about Lucas processing his traumatic breakup with Marcia. All other readings are secondary to that. is this a thing? i thought they were still friends
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punishedkissinger posted:is this a thing? i thought they were still friends Years ago The Secret History of Star Wars published an article on Marcia that drove a lot of people to think that she was the only reason Star Wars was good to begin with. In some fandom circles it's turned into a conspiracy where Lucas made the Special Editions and won't release the original edits to screw her on royalties.
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