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xtal posted:Why would they want the effects removed from games? Do people think that colorblind people want color removed from games? Um, people do want a colour blind toggle yes? That’s an easy one, just have a toggle colour X to colour Y. The epilepsy one would require devs to have a “Flag flashing lights” sign on the desk in front of them so they can be turned off, or worst case given an option to skip that level with all bonuses. Btw in that cyberpunk video some epileptics would not have made it to the flashing sign, before he enters it goes from dark to a flash on a puddle which is also bad.
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I would want the flashing effects removed even if photosensitive epilepsy didn’t exist. They’re just bad. Sorry, artists, but your vision blows.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Here's a really good thread on game accessibility. https://twitter.com/IndieGamerChick/status/1336708821314498560 I honestly don't understand why people would be against adding these kinds of things. Accessibility options are enormously helpful even if you're able to play games without them. I have problems with my hearing, so I always have subtitles on, but I would be glad to turn off flashing lights even though I don't have epilepsy. Control customization, clean/clear UI, and many of the other potential features listed on that website are just a part of good game design. It's stuff that makes games better for everyone.
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acyclicity posted:I honestly don't understand why people would be against adding these kinds of things. Accessibility options are enormously helpful even if you're able to play games without them. I have problems with my hearing, so I always have subtitles on, but I would be glad to turn off flashing lights even though I don't have epilepsy. Control customization, clean/clear UI, and many of the other potential features listed on that website are just a part of good game design. It's stuff that makes games better for everyone. Probably for the same reason people refuse to wear masks - they don't care about stuff that affects other people.
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What happens if I turn on epilepsy mode and something triggers a seizure anyway (unintentional graphics glitch, for example). Would the standard "we're not responsible for any seizures" in the EULA be enough to protect them from litigation?
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acyclicity posted:I honestly don't understand why people would be against adding these kinds of things. Accessibility options are enormously helpful even if you're able to play games without them. I have problems with my hearing, so I always have subtitles on, but I would be glad to turn off flashing lights even though I don't have epilepsy. Control customization, clean/clear UI, and many of the other potential features listed on that website are just a part of good game design. It's stuff that makes games better for everyone. Katt posted:Sounds like a slippery slope into difficulty sliders in dark souls. DENIED. I'm assuming Katt is joking, but it's people who unironically believe this.
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Hardcordion posted:What happens if I turn on epilepsy mode and something triggers a seizure anyway (unintentional graphics glitch, for example). Would the standard "we're not responsible for any seizures" in the EULA be enough to protect them from litigation? Probably, since I'm betting "epilepsy mode" wouldn't be called that, nor use the phrase "epilepsy" in its description, so anyone still affected wouldn't be able to claim "the game said it would be fine."
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learnincurve posted:Um, people do want a colour blind toggle yes? That’s an easy one, just have a toggle colour X to colour Y. The epilepsy one would require devs to have a “Flag flashing lights” sign on the desk in front of them so they can be turned off, or worst case given an option to skip that level with all bonuses. They want a colorblind toggle, they don’t want color removed from the game for everyone
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Honestly, my biggest reaction to the stream is "wow, the LSAT is actually that easy?" Destiny's just stupid as poo poo, always has been. Punkin Spunkin has a new favorite as of 18:45 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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Skwirl posted:Probably, since I'm betting "epilepsy mode" wouldn't be called that, nor use the phrase "epilepsy" in its description, so anyone still affected wouldn't be able to claim "the game said it would be fine." I'm not a creative genius like CDPR, but if that visor is the only potentially triggering thing in the game it should be pretty easily changed. It's not like it's a crucial part of the lore. Except now that the Gamers have seen it, the feel that any change will ruin everything. Just make a slightly different transition animation when you put on the goggles.
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acyclicity posted:I honestly don't understand why people would be against adding these kinds of things. Accessibility options are enormously helpful even if you're able to play games without them. I have problems with my hearing, so I always have subtitles on, but I would be glad to turn off flashing lights even though I don't have epilepsy. Control customization, clean/clear UI, and many of the other potential features listed on that website are just a part of good game design. It's stuff that makes games better for everyone. Right, just because I don't use personally use an option doesn't mean I don't appreciate it's there. I like seeing options for different ways to experience the game. I'm also a subtitles-always person. I don't think it's a hearing thing for me so much as it's just easier for me to parse written language. I have no idea why. Netflix, we need to have a conversation about how you're totally fine with the English dub and the subtitles being totally different scripts all the time, but also I still watch it like that because????? I was playing Witcher 3 in Polish with English subtitles though because I couldn't stand Geralt's English voice. It was a wild time. Fortunately, subtitles are on most things now. That's cool. That should be the norm for more things. Light sensitivity toggles, colourblind toggles, everything.
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RoboRodent posted:Netflix, we need to have a conversation about how you're totally fine with the English dub and the subtitles being totally different scripts all the time, but also I still watch it like that because????? This has been a problem with localizations forever. Subtitles are usually direct translations of what's being said in the original language, and the dub is something edited to sound more natural being said out loud in english. It'd be smart to have both options for subtitles, but I don't know that anybody ever has. e: The inverse of this happened to me once with one of the Drunken Master movies on netflix, where I realized about halfway through that subtitles for portions where nothing was being said were because the English dub probably had some line to fill the silence, and the subtitles were probably directly from the dub script. SpacePig has a new favorite as of 19:15 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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It’s hard enough getting differentiation between closed captions for the deaf and subtitles that don’t need things like “[revving intensifies]”.
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Certain people just don't like change and get really upset when you suggest changing something they like, even if it is in ways that don't effect them at all. I remember people getting really defensive about making Discord more accessible to people who use screen readers and that was just behind the scenes code changes that wouldn't have any impact on anybody who doesn't use one.
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Slightly related to the discussion, I hate how little porn has subtitles.
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Grunch Worldflower posted:Certain people just don't like change and get really upset when you suggest changing something they like, even if it is in ways that don't effect them at all. I remember people getting really defensive about making Discord more accessible to people who use screen readers and that was just behind the scenes code changes that wouldn't have any impact on anybody who doesn't use one. Yeah, except all the people are complaining about possibly changing a game they haven't loving played yet because it came out today.
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acyclicity posted:I honestly don't understand why people would be against adding these kinds of things. Accessibility options are enormously helpful even if you're able to play games without them. I have problems with my hearing, so I always have subtitles on, but I would be glad to turn off flashing lights even though I don't have epilepsy. Control customization, clean/clear UI, and many of the other potential features listed on that website are just a part of good game design. It's stuff that makes games better for everyone.
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Desert Bus posted:Slightly related to the discussion, I hate how little porn has subtitles. I know what you're saying but it makes it sound like you're watching small porn, like starring little people, and you don't like how it has subs.
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, except all the people are complaining about possibly changing a game they haven't loving played yet because it came out today. Yeah, but they already decided Cyberpunk was a perfect game when it was first announced 100 years ago so any changes to it must be stopped.
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Scratch Monkey posted:I know what you're saying but it makes it sound like you're watching small porn, like starring little people, and you don't like how it has subs. if there were no subs, what would the doms even do
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Platystemon posted:I would want the flashing effects removed even if photosensitive epilepsy didn’t exist. They’re just bad. They are certainly something you should be very careful about using, agreed. I think a lot of level designers are very impressed with the fact that they can and sometimes don't always think whether they should  Plus even if you do want to have flickering lights you can do things to reduce the annoyingness while still having them look good.
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Scratch Monkey posted:I know what you're saying but it makes it sound like you're watching small porn, like starring little people, and you don't like how it has subs. This is SA, I would assume the worst.
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Scratch Monkey posted:I know what you're saying but it makes it sound like you're watching small porn, like starring little people, and you don't like how it has subs. they're clearly saying they watch "little" porn on mute and don't want to read the woman calling the man daddy
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Grunch Worldflower posted:Yeah, but they already decided Cyberpunk was a perfect game when it was first announced 100 years ago so any changes to it must be stopped. Any time a developer changes anything about a game, someone's artistic vision is being compromised. The purest way to make a game is to code it straight through in one go with no revisions or QA.
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Grunch Worldflower posted:Yeah, but they already decided Cyberpunk was a perfect game when it was first announced 100 years ago so any changes to it must be stopped. They should be forced to only play whatever build CDProject had the day it was originally supposed to come out.
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I feel like I am the only person on the planet who has paid zero attention to this cyberpunk game sometimes.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like I am the only person on the planet who has paid zero attention to this cyberpunk game sometimes. It's from the people who made Witcher 3, which, while it wasn't a huge hit at any particular moment in time, was on sale frequently so a ton of people eventually played it and liked it a ton.
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Skwirl posted:It's from the people who made Witcher 3, which, while it wasn't a huge hit at any particular moment in time, was on sale frequently so a ton of people eventually played it and liked it a ton. Yes and I also did not play the witcher three because I bought the witcher 2 on sale and hated it.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes and I also did not play the witcher three because I bought the witcher 2 on sale and hated it. I think the vast majority of people who played Witcher 3 did not play the first two games.
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Skwirl posted:I think the vast majority of people who played Witcher 3 did not play the first two games. Yeah, I'm in that group. I liked Witcher 3 a lot. I played it in Italian with English subtitles. It was all OOOOHHH! OOOOOOOOOOOHH! get atta heeeeee Also not planning on buying Cyberpunk for quite a while. I have lots of games to mess around with.
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Takoluka posted:if there were no subs, what would the doms even do 
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I have an upcoming appointment with a neurologist to test for epilepsy, maybe I should just play Cyberpunk 2077 instead.
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The Venn diagram of people who would whinge about a no strobe lighting button being patched in and those who would call people a filthy casual for not playing on the hardest mode is a circle.
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I have a Witcher 3 story: when it was brand new I asked in a thread if someone would buy it for me and a really cool guy messaged me a PS code for 75 dollars so I bought it welp thanks for reading
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oldpainless posted:I have a Witcher 3 story: when it was brand new I asked in a thread if someone would buy it for me and a really cool guy messaged me a PS code for 75 dollars so I bought it welp thanks for reading dang, that sounds real cool. i would love it if someone got me cyberpunk 2077 on Steam 
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boar guy posted:dang, that sounds real cool. i would love it if someone got me cyberpunk 2077 on Steam I'll do one better. You can download Neuromancer for DOS here: https://www.myabandonware.com/game/neuromancer-pt
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