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Hey, some stuff costs a couple of em. Like in the first movie when they cleaned his house. That was a stack.
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Having just gotten around to watching John Wick 2 and 3 the other night I would say there’s definitely nothing “subtle” about them but I love how casually batshit the entire world is and that they don’t need much exposition for it. Of course the assassin hotel is a chain and there’s a weapon sommelier and every homeless person in NYC is also an assassin and brutal violence is so common that people just ignore it in the middle of Grand Central Station.
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Dec 10, 2020 03:05
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Pilchenstein posted:What plot there is in the sequels actively annoys me. It's difficult to put into words how little I care about the stupid loving crime hotel where everything costs exactly one pirate doubloon Yeah, honestly the plot is kinda a drag
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Dec 10, 2020 03:08
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Watching John Wick is like watching Tom Cruise do crazy stunts. It’s enjoyable because you know the intense effort that went into creating it, but otherwise it’s largely soulless.
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Dec 10, 2020 03:29
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Krispy Wafer posted:Watching John Wick is like watching Tom Cruise do crazy stunts. It’s enjoyable because you know the intense effort that went into creating it, but otherwise it’s largely soulless. the first ones actually a really good movie with all around great production and writing
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Dec 10, 2020 03:35
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Henchman of Santa posted:Having just gotten around to watching John Wick 2 and 3 the other night I would say there’s definitely nothing “subtle” about them but I love how casually batshit the entire world is and that they don’t need much exposition for it. Of course the assassin hotel is a chain and there’s a weapon sommelier and every homeless person in NYC is also an assassin and brutal violence is so common that people just ignore it in the middle of Grand Central Station. Yeah, I agree with this. In the first movie it seemed pretty grounded beyond John himself being a murdermachine, but then he shows up to the assassin-only hotel which he pays for with a single enormous coin and then they just keep going like that isn't bugfuck insane and the rest of the movie just happens. Like they don't even linger on it or explain it or anything. The sequels really pushed that up.
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Dec 10, 2020 05:44
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Baron von Eevl posted:Yeah, I agree with this. In the first movie it seemed pretty grounded beyond John himself being a murdermachine, but then he shows up to the assassin-only hotel which he pays for with a single enormous coin and then they just keep going like that isn't bugfuck insane and the rest of the movie just happens. Like they don't even linger on it or explain it or anything. John Wick: Let's sneak some weird world-building into what looks like a standard action/revenge movie Chapter 2: That movie did pretty well, let's fully lean into this insane premise and see where it goes. Parabellum: The sequel made a bunch of money! Let's push this is as far as we possibly can! John wanders the desert in the middle of this movie! Parabellum did even better than the first two and they're filming 4 and 5 back to back so god only knows how bonkers they'll make it.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:04
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Henchman of Santa posted:John Wick: Let's sneak some weird world-building into what looks like a standard action/revenge movie After 3 you had Wick looking like he was gonna team up with the hobos of the world and take on the assassin elites in some kind of solidarity with the people that do the unglamorous, underclass work to keep the assassin economy running.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:18
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The nightclub shootout in JW 1 is one of the most perfect action scenes ever created and nothing in the other two movies has even come close.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:29
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The only thing I didn't like in the night club scene was the falling scene where he gets lobbed over a balcony. There's like a half second stutter where the cgi cuts from stuntman to Reeves falling on the floor, and it's oddly hesitant looking, like he slowed down in midair. I gotta disagree though, the mirror artwork shootout scene in the second was just astounding. I did love the callback to The Good, Bad, and Ugly in the third with the pistol mashup, but it pissed me off he only got one shot.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:36
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It was telegraphed as hell but the "Sorry. He shot my dog."/"I get it," exchange in Parabellum was delightful regardless.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:41
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MariusLecter posted:After 3 you had Wick looking like he was gonna team up with the hobos of the world and take on the assassin elites in some kind of solidarity with the people that do the unglamorous, underclass work to keep the assassin economy running. This makes me picture a crossover with Hobo With A Shotgun.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:47
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My favorite detail in the JW movies is how assassins apparently spend all their time fighting other assassins. None of the movies involve any attempt to assasinate anyone who isn't themselves part of some secret society of assassins. The whole assassin economy appears completely self-contained.
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Dec 10, 2020 10:34
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I enjoyed the JW films well enough, but if felt like watching a videogame let's play. Constant headshots against nameless, faceless constantly spawning enemies interspersed with minibosses who have a face and sometimes even a name. The guys in fancy armour in JW3 really felt like the tougher enemies you get later in games. The first one seems to draw attention to this on purpose when it cuts between one guy playing an FPS and John murdering everyone outside.
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Dec 10, 2020 12:59
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I remember finding the throwing Knife fight at the start of 3 hilarious because I was just thinking "They are just camping at the ammo boxes and refilling their ammo to throw more knives. I've done this exact thing during a boss fight"
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SimonChris posted:My favorite detail in the JW movies is how assassins apparently spend all their time fighting other assassins. None of the movies involve any attempt to assasinate anyone who isn't themselves part of some secret society of assassins. The whole assassin economy appears completely self-contained. Just like No More Heroes, I remember a post in the original Lets Play thread suggesting the whole ranking system is just the world's deadliest pyramid scheme. (Notably, in the second game you no longer have to pay to qualify for the next rank, with heavy implication that if your contact was at the very least grifting you for all you're worth)
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Dec 10, 2020 13:06
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Since John Wick revels in new and interesting fight sequences, I fully expect Space Wick by the 5th movie. As soon as John defeats the Assassin Tribunal, aliens attack. Cue intricately choreographed zero gravity gun play.
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Dec 10, 2020 13:16
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Krispy Wafer posted:Since John Wick revels in new and interesting fight sequences, I fully expect Space Wick by the 5th movie. And then the Agents come in.
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Dec 10, 2020 13:35
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I’m escaping to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by John Wick SPACE
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Dec 10, 2020 13:46
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There's a B in the word subtle.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:There's a B in the word subtle. Is it really subtle if it's spelled out for you?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:There's a B in the word subtle. Someone make a Supertle thread. Godfather was about a Mafia family. Darth Vader was a bad guy Citizen Kane was in black and white. Yeah, I guess it does get old fast.
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Dec 10, 2020 16:24
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Since we were on the subject, the writer of John Wick only knows how to write one kind of story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZti8QKBWPo Suburban John Wick. Not going to lie though, I'm all for Bob Odenkirk shooting stuff.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:52
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Odenkirk looks too competent & bad-rear end, which kind of takes away from the opportunity for humorous dissonance. Give me
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Krispy Wafer posted:Since we were on the subject, the writer of John Wick only knows how to write one kind of story. I don't give a poo poo about John Wick, but I'll watch the hell out of this. Was that Jonathan Banks, likely playing his dad?  Edit: "In Theatres Only", aw man, gently caress off.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:24
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I don't give a poo poo about John Wick, but I'll watch the hell out of this. edit: It is. Written by John Wick guy, directed by Hardcore Henry guy. Im in! Cage has a new favorite as of 18:31 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 18:27
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Was that Jonathan Banks, likely playing his dad? Christopher Lloyd. The guy at 2:06 with the machine gun and the fancy suit looks like Anthony Michael Hall but he's not credited on IMDB anyway.
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Dec 10, 2020 18:40
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My first thought was Gordan Ramsey, but IMDB says Aleksey Serebryakov.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Odenkirk looks too competent & bad-rear end, which kind of takes away from the opportunity for humorous dissonance. Give me Yeah holy poo poo he fits into action hero a lot easier than I expected.
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Gimme a show based ann a retired Major Vining starring Rick Moranis.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Since we were on the subject, the writer of John Wick only knows how to write one kind of story.  forever at them just shrugging and giving him literally the same backstory as John Wick, right down to "now all the other secret assassins are mad at him because he went back on his super pinky promise to never do secret assassining ever again" 
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Dec 10, 2020 20:11
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"these days"? It's been a trope since at least Charles Bronson's vigilante chud-fantasies. Steven Seagal's Under Siege "I'm just the cook (who was in special forces)" was from the early 90s.
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John Matrix in Commando was the former leader of a special forces team. One of the different things about Die Hard was that John McClane wasn't a special forces trained super elite spec ops warrior. It's a convenient shorthand to explain why your character is able to take on a small army.
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At first I thought it was going to be another 'Falling Down' type movie where a regular guy just snaps and I'm happier with the retired assassin storyline. There's a difference between 'put upon middle-aged White male finally fed up with the world' and 'trained killer with a heart'. But still, gold bars instead of gold coins? A kitty bracelet instead of a dog? At least this version of John Wick gets the girl. Sunswipe posted:John Matrix in Commando was the former leader of a special forces team. One of the different things about Die Hard was that John McClane wasn't a special forces trained super elite spec ops warrior. It's a convenient shorthand to explain why your character is able to take on a small army. McClane had the magic of Christmas.
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Pilchenstein posted:What plot there is in the sequels actively annoys me. It's difficult to put into words how little I care about the stupid loving crime hotel where everything costs exactly one pirate doubloon I liked the assassin/crime world stuff in the first one because it was just mythical enough to be fun without making you think too much about it, but I did not like where it went in the next ones. Now like everything is connected to the hotel and it's dumb, it was better when it was just a crime hotel and not every person in the world was a hired killer and poo poo.
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Krispy Wafer posted:McClane had the magic of Christmas. Ho Ho Ho.
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It's fine not to like it obviously, but the weird assassin world was definitely what the larger audience wanted to see more of.
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Aphrodite posted:It's fine not to like it obviously, but the weird assassin world was definitely what the larger audience wanted to see more of. It definitely was a case of the audience desire being "wrong". The lore unraveled very quickly because it only knows how to escalate. There's no expansion just like "John , you have defied the tribunal" "gently caress the tribunal, I'll invoke the arbiter" "No not the arbiter D: , we will call in the grand council" "But I have a blood pact with you, you cannot ignore the blood pact" "You'll be chased forever John, always looking behind you..." Like there is noooothing to grab onto to get a sense of scale of the world I don't know mind this as a way to have inventive fight scenes but very few of them are actually inventive , it just and excuse to watch Keanu handle guns (very well I might add) That fight scene in the white hallway with the silencers was dumb, but atleast inventive Like a shoot out were everyone needs to have plausible deniability and good aim Very very dumb, but the movie would have been better if there had been more dumb fun ideas than tactical gun fetishism Jestery has a new favorite as of 00:30 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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I don't know, the audience scores have been ticking up with each one so it might be dumb but it's working.
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Sunswipe posted:John Matrix in Commando was the former leader of a special forces team. One of the different things about Die Hard was that John McClane wasn't a special forces trained super elite spec ops warrior. It's a convenient shorthand to explain why your character is able to take on a small army. This is one of the many things that makes Die Hard a perfect script and they play with that throughout the movie. In his first fight with Tony McClaine isn't cracking one liners as much as he's struggling and talking poo poo "..I'll fuckin kill ya hmmf... mother fu..." between breaths. He gets injured constantly and his little bits of ingenuity are spur of the moment and he has no confidence that they'll work ala the elevator shaft and fire hose. He's not a street ninja just a poo poo talking cop who wants to smoke cigarettes and watch Captain Kangaroo.
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