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Monica Belucci showing up in a Bond movie was presented as great because she was 51, the oldest “Bond Girl”. She has like 2 scenes and iirc, treated pretty rough and Bond quickly hooked up with 30 year old Lea Seydoux. Movies huh.
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i watched Me Myself And Irene the other day and it was poo poo just like it was on release
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Dec 10, 2020 04:39
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Mrs. Doubtfire had some pretty decent gay representation for it's time, in all honesty. The couple wasn't mocked or made to appear wrong or gross, there was no overt "ew icky" or "no homo" bullshit like so many other movies tend to do. Him having a gay relative in a loving relationship with another man, and him treating them both like regular people was honestly quite nice. At least from what I remember.
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Dec 10, 2020 05:06
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I wonder how Birdcage has aged. I don’t remember Robin Williams having any homophobic movies but it’s been a while. He always seemed like he might’ve swung both ways.
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Dec 10, 2020 05:26
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well why not posted:I wonder how Birdcage has aged. how flamboyant is too flamboyant
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Dec 10, 2020 05:37
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hard counter posted:how flamboyant is too flamboyant Is maximum flamboyant too much?
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Dec 10, 2020 05:41
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Birdcage is still decent. Of course I’m saying that as a cishet guy, but I rewatched it recently and outside of a bit of 90’s gay posture/attitude stuff and the cringe of Hank Azaria playing a Guatemalan manservant, it wasn’t homophobic or anything. Quite the opposite.
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Dec 10, 2020 06:00
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Solice Kirsk posted:They character assassinated Frasier's character Donny so you wouldn't feel bad for him when his fiance walks out on him for someone he thought was a friend on their wedding day, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE SHOW! He really was Mr. Chump
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Dec 10, 2020 08:50
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verbal enema posted:i watched Me Myself And Irene the other day and it was poo poo just like it was on release My friend and I cried laughing when we saw MM&I in the theater; I haven't rewatched it since and have no desire to sully that memory.
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Dec 10, 2020 09:09
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BioEnchanted posted:I think of all the 90s Carrey movies The Mask was the one that's aged the best. He has that rapey moment in the Park, but the Mask is not supposed to be any kind of healthy outlet, it's unregulated id acting out a base-level infatuation, and that's the worst he gets. Plus that moment does call out how creepy his behaviour is, so it's obvious the movie knows that it's VERY bad behaviour that a lot of people mistake for romantic - Tina is visibly uncomfortable and the whole point of that moment is effectively to show that in some aspects of his life the Mask makes the situation worse, not better. Or at least to hammer it home to *stanley* because before that moment he kind of thinks of the mask as a good thing to use for a quick confidence boost as he begins to become dependant on it. i think you might be forgetting about this bit. the mask was on tv semi-recently and i was like, boy, i sure forgot that he sodomises a man with a car pipe. seems bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBR0oNp9A7c
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Dec 10, 2020 09:35
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Turpitude II posted:i think you might be forgetting about this bit. the mask was on tv semi-recently and i was like, boy, i sure forgot that he sodomises a man with a car pipe. seems bad. He shoved a tailpipe up his tailpipe, what's the problem?
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Dec 10, 2020 09:41
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I mostly know the Mask from the cartoon. Does some interesting things with it. Turns out Stanley is a paragon of restraint compared to pretty much everyone else who puts the Mask on.
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Dec 10, 2020 09:55
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The Mask cartoon is another one of those shows that should have been terrible yet wasn't. Heck, the Ace Ventura cartoon wasn't bad either. It and the Mask even had a crossover!
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Dec 10, 2020 11:06
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AceOfFlames posted:The Mask cartoon is another one of those shows that should have been terrible yet wasn't. And yet the Beetlejuice cartoon (as I’ve had it explained to me) went way off
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Dec 10, 2020 11:07
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:And yet the Beetlejuice cartoon (as I’ve had it explained to me) went way off The Beetlejuice cartoon was ok (it was a tad too silly and slapstick though) but the fact that I had never seen the movie (still haven't to this day) probably helped a lot. I'm guessing having the target audience never having seen the source material is kind of the point, tbh. In terms of "How the gently caress did they make this dumb idea work" cartoons though, nothing can beat Batman Beyond. "The suits want Teenage Batman in the Future? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED." - Bruce Timm, probably AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 11:12 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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Dec 10, 2020 11:09
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AceOfFlames posted:The Beetlejuice cartoon was ok (it was a tad too silly and slapstick though) but the fact that I had never seen the movie (still haven't to this day) probably helped a lot.
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Dec 10, 2020 11:19
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AceOfFlames posted:The Beetlejuice cartoon was ok (it was a tad too silly and slapstick though) but the fact that I had never seen the movie (still haven't to this day) probably helped a lot. Yeah I was deffo not allowed to see the Beetlejuice movie (it’s good real solid cast and only one scumbag [Jeffrey Jones]) but had heard the cartoon had basically grooming between Lydia and Beetlejuice. I hope I’m misremembering this.
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Dec 10, 2020 11:23
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They actually had an episode with an immortal fairy who had been friends with previous wearers of the Mask who had all considered brutal murder to be a fun game. After realising the fairy is a brutally murderous manchild, the current Mask decides to punish him by dragging him off to school.
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AceOfFlames posted:In terms of "How the gently caress did they make this dumb idea work" cartoons though, nothing can beat Batman Beyond. To my knowledge, this is almost literally what happened. Executives wanted a Batman spinoff about a cool teen Batman, because they thought that cartoons about adult superheroes weren't appealing to kids as much as, say, your Spider-Men or X-Men. Batman Beyond was the result of Timm and Dini going 'okay, how do we check all the ridiculous boxes they set out while writing something that we know does work'.
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Which member of the creative pair is the horny one when left alone?
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I can't link it since I'm on my phone, but IGN just did a 20 minute or something documentary on Batman Beyond and that is exactly what happened. It's a pretty good watch if you can look it up on YouTube.
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Dec 10, 2020 11:58
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Which member of the creative pair is the horny one when left alone? Bruce Timm is punishingly, unrelentingly horny
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Dec 10, 2020 12:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mostly know the Mask from the cartoon. Does some interesting things with it. Turns out Stanley is a paragon of restraint compared to pretty much everyone else who puts the Mask on. The original comic is actually kind of dark because while the person who wears the Mask commits cartoon violence it has real life consequences. Like the aforementioned tailpipe thing is from the comic but it kills the guy he does it to. Stanley dies after the first arc and the rest of the series is other people finding and using the Mask for their own gain.
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Dec 10, 2020 12:18
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Has anyone used that word outside of porn in the last 30 years? It is an extremely boomer word, with an origin in a set of assumptions that are not just long-dead, but incomprehensible to anyone under 60. It’s like Three’s Company. My dorm was labelled coed back in 2008
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Alaois posted:Bruce Timm is punishingly, unrelentingly horny Isn't Paul Dini the one who's married to basically Zatanna?
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Happy Landfill posted:I'm thinking back to Liar Liar and I can't recall anything super cringy off the top of my head. Then again it's been years since I've last watched it. My problem with it is I now sympathise far more with Mrs Cole. Think of the stakes: Mr Cole might lose half his vast fortune, but so what? He'll still be rich. Mrs Cole will be destitute. She probably has no employment history. He made her sign a pre-nup (a bullshit concept in itself) because this wasn't a marriage of equal partners, she was just a trophy. If your spouse cheats on you, a regular divorce is all you need, you don't have to destroy them. Also Mr Cole has one line in the movie: "I didn't know she was underage!"  Despite all that I still found it funny.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't Paul Dini the one who's married to basically Zatanna? he's married to Misty Lee who has actually been in several DC animated movies but never as Zatanna, weirdly enough.
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Also a key thing with The Mask regarding the tailpipe gag is that the Mask is always portrayed as a toxic crutch - nothing it does is really positive in any way, it's just satisfying for Stanley, it's all stuff he wishes he could get away with - the auto mechanics have likely been ripping him off for years, so due to his hatred of them and that being early in his arc, where he starts off basically getting revenge on all those who screwed him (which gets lighter as the movie goes on because the later characters only mildly annoyed him compared to that - the bouncers were humiliating but they were just doing their jobs and all that really resulted in was him getting wet so they only got humiliated publicly in turn), and by the time of the showdown with Dorian he has come so fully to terms with himself that the Mask is no longer acting under the control of his Id, because he has the confidence in who he is that he CAN start fighting for himself - during his fight with Dorian, Stanley has nothing left to hold back for the mask to unleash, he has nothing to prove to anyone anymore and no more frustrated unsatisfied id, he literally just punched Dorian across the room on his own (plus standing up to his boss earlier on, by that point he really doesn't NEED it anymore), so he only uses the Mask's power to salvage an unsalvagable situation.
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Also the episode where the Mask gets split in half is interesting- turns out wearing it in that state literally turns half of you into the Mask, and is one of the only times we see Stanley and his Mask self directly interact... and they actually get along okay for the most part, the Mask half wanting to go have fun and get Stanley to lighten up. Also, Stanley points out the Mask has even less success with women than he does, what with coming on like a literal cartoon character. While the other half of the mask ends up on Stanley's old school bully- who's actively trying to reform after his near-sociopathic bullying ways have actually had consequences and almost ruined his life, and after a half-Mask vs half-Mask battle, willingly gives the other half back and leaves the city, clearly having been traumatised by the experience and wanting to never have that happen again.
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Dec 10, 2020 13:11
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There was a mask/ace ventura crossover episode where the mask ends up on ace's butt, which comes alive.
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Dec 10, 2020 13:16
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Cleretic posted:To my knowledge, this is almost literally what happened. Executives wanted a Batman spinoff about a cool teen Batman, because they thought that cartoons about adult superheroes weren't appealing to kids as much as, say, your Spider-Men or X-Men. Getting Conroy back and having him act as Terry's mentor despite being retired as Batman was the best move, IMHO. That and the other nods to BTAS made it feel more like a logical continuation and passing of the torch rather than a gimmick yet still standalone enough for new fans to jump in.
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bitterandtwisted posted:There was a mask/ace ventura crossover episode where the mask ends up on ace's butt, which comes alive. Yup, Ben Dover becomes a real person for that scene and it's amazing. I remember liking Tempest, Praetorious and The Devil too. Imma start rewatching that show later...
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bitterandtwisted posted:There was a mask/ace ventura crossover episode where the mask ends up on ace's butt, which comes alive. It’s too bad they didn’t do a three-way crossover with the Dumb and Dumber cartoon that was also on tv at that time.
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In my X-files rewatch made it to the episode about sexual assault by ghost in a nursing home. It is not handled well. Scully is the one interested in investigating it, and going through past X-files on entity rapes, and Mulder is just like "Eh, they're all bullshit" And completely dismisses it. thinking sexually assaulted women just block out their attackers. Dude you believe in everything else including ghosts. Gah. Then there's lot's of weird stuff about the elderly. And there's a whole racist bit about the malaysian orderly. He's giving them special mushrooms that both allow the elderly to see ghosts and cures alzheimers, but the ghosts are mad that they were treated so poorly so they're murdering and sexually assaulting orderlies. It's all a big mess. And is definitely the most problematic X-Files episode. At least that I can remember.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Yeah I was deffo not allowed to see the Beetlejuice movie (it’s good real solid cast and only one scumbag [Jeffrey Jones]) but had heard the cartoon had basically grooming between Lydia and Beetlejuice. I remember it being basically like Billy and Mandy where it's just a kid hanging out with a supernatural being and going on wacky adventures. I haven't watched it since I was 8 though, so maybe it was super skeevy.
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Ambitious Spider posted:In my X-files rewatch made it to the episode about sexual assault by ghost in a nursing home. It is not handled well. Scully is the one interested in investigating it, and going through past X-files on entity rapes, and Mulder is just like "Eh, they're all bullshit" And completely dismisses it. thinking sexually assaulted women just block out their attackers. Dude you believe in everything else including ghosts. Gah. Then there's lot's of weird stuff about the elderly. And there's a whole racist bit about the malaysian orderly. He's giving them special mushrooms that both allow the elderly to see ghosts and cures alzheimers, but the ghosts are mad that they were treated so poorly so they're murdering and sexually assaulting orderlies. It's all a big mess. And is definitely the most problematic X-Files episode. At least that I can remember. It’s gross and not what you want from your heroic protagonist but a dude who 100% believes in the supernatural but Has Some Questions about sexual assault is definitely a realistic type of guy
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OK, I'd forgotten how great this line was from the Mask's pilot episode from Pretorius: "I supervised the surgical removal of my [own] head, to attain MAXIMUM flexibility..." It's also interesting that the show continues where the movie left off - with Peggy being on Stanley's shitlist due to her betrayal and her still being very untrustworthy, and while Stanley no longer NEEDS the mask anymore in his social life, the temptation to have it as a trump card is too great for him to fully commit to getting rid of it at first. To be fair, you never know when you'll end up in the middle of a bomb threat, and Stanley literally was in the movie.
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Somewhat unlike a lot of other 80s/90s movie tie-in cartoons, The Mask does imply the movie did happen with minor at best differences, while also incorporating stuff from the comics. I think it makes it more interesting to have Stanley be a genuinely moral and relatively benign host for the Mask; the manifestation of his id is a cartoon character and party animal who delivers proportionate punishment but doesn't actually want to cause anyone serious harm. And almost every episode he has seemingly one-sided arguments with The Mask when he's not wearing it- he's not comfortable with what it does to him and how much control he loses, but he also doesn't want to get rid of it when there's dangerous enough people around to require a superhero. Peggy is also interesting, since she's more or less an ally but rightly distrusted given her ambitions, and when she does wear the Mask, she's relatively helpful but also loses control pretty quickly. (you can trust Milo though, he's a good boy)
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It also has an amazing rogue's gallery who are all either intimidating, funny or both. Fish Guy and Putty Thing were a great pair of joke villains. I liked their dynamic of "The Mask starts terrorising Fish Guy because FG is basically helpless and Putty Thing comes to his rescue"
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Yeah I was deffo not allowed to see the Beetlejuice movie (it’s good real solid cast and only one scumbag [Jeffrey Jones]) but had heard the cartoon had basically grooming between Lydia and Beetlejuice. I... do not remember anything like that at all.
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