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Truga posted:in hindsight, new centos explains how fedora is now defaulting to butterfs while it's being deprecated in rhel lmao it's because fedora is where redhat funnels all the bazinga energy. the centos change is unrelated and entirely down to IBM being desperate for revenue
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what’s the big deal, why wouldn’t everyone just pay IBM for their developer workstation and server operating systems? their prices these days are far better than they used to be.
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debian is better though
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debian has never seen a package they didn't want to drag their dicks up and down on account of there being a Debian Policy about a thing written by, signed, a 400lbs beard and suspenders weirdo
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eschaton posted:what’s the big deal, why wouldn’t everyone just pay IBM for their developer workstation and server operating systems? their prices these days are far better than they used to be. the entire point of linux is that its free (as in no value). if someone charges for a linux then it defeats the purpose.
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Dec 11, 2020 01:07
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ibm is just preparing for the glorious renaissance period of AIX
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New CentOS will actually be a BeOS reskin.
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the centos faq saying ‘we’re centos project that’s a fedora project issue, go talk to them’ multiple times like they aren’t all employed by the same company was pretty funny
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Sapozhnik posted:debian has never seen a package they didn't want to drag their dicks up and down on account of there being a Debian Policy about a thing written by, signed, a 400lbs beard and suspenders weirdo i didnt say debian was good, i said it was better
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Dec 11, 2020 01:30
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pram posted:ibm is just preparing for the glorious renaissance period of AIX any day now mainframes will be good enough again to grow z/os any day now any day now
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Sapozhnik posted:debian has never seen a package they didn't want to drag their dicks up and down on account of there being a Debian Policy about a thing written by, signed, a 400lbs beard and suspenders weirdo iceweasel
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Dec 11, 2020 01:51
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Nomnom Cookie posted:i didnt say debian was good, i said it was better its good
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Dec 11, 2020 02:02
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hm lemme just valgrind the entropy off of this keygen there you go no more unsightly warnings
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The_Franz posted:iceweasel my favorite ween song
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Nomnom Cookie posted:debian is better though is the kernal breakable though
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Dec 11, 2020 04:40
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PCjr sidecar posted:hm lemme just valgrind the entropy off of this keygen That was a very stupid patch. what was even more dumb was the way OpenSSL was generating entropy. OpenSSL is an entire nightmare in of itself. FFS it has big-endian x86 support. 
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Dec 11, 2020 04:49
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pram posted:ibm is just preparing for the glorious renaissance period of AIX i always confused aix and a/ux and that was probably mutually beneficial for both
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my stepdads beer posted:is the kernal breakable though who cares, if it breaks terminate the instance and let the ASG launch a replacement
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The_Franz posted:iceweasel one of my old dealers was a dude named nate with a guy fawkes facial hair vibe and a distaste for the government who kept chickens inside city limits, had a wood stove made of welded-up railroad ties in his bedroom (that he actually used), and was the first person to show me iceweasel intensely cool dude
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The_Franz posted:iceweasel They had a different name for thunderbird too though I can't remember it at all .... Probably not "Seabass", but maybe! (Too similar to seamonkey, surely)
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my favorite debian experience was running apt-get update and having it uninstall the kernel
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what about suse? I heard it's a bit german-centric but what dpes that mean in practice
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Private Speech posted:what about suse? I heard it's a bit german-centric but what dpes that mean in practice when you google a suse specific error all the solutions are in german  The_Franz posted:my favorite debian experience was running apt-get update and having it uninstall the kernel i've been admining a couple dozen debian boxes over a couple different jobs for over 15 years now and not once had issues even with in-place major version upgrades. how the gently caress do you gently caress up debian its whole shtick is being idiotproof
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Nomnom Cookie posted:i didnt say debian was good, i said it was better YOSPOS › Linux: i didnt say debian was good, i said it was better
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Private Speech posted:what about suse? I heard it's a bit german-centric but what dpes that mean in practice if you’re going to pay for a distro why not pay for rhel if you’re going to use opensuse why not use fedora instead if you need to run sap it’s fine I guess lol
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Truga posted:i've been admining a couple dozen debian boxes over a couple different jobs for over 15 years now and not once had issues even with in-place major version upgrades. how the gently caress do you gently caress up debian its whole shtick is being idiotproof i did a fresh install, typed 'apt-get update' and it removed the kernel and wouldn't boot anymore. granted this was many, many years ago and i think it was on the testing channel, but i've never had anything else do that
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It even warns you specifically before anything that would remove the running kernel
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Rufus Ping posted:It even warns you specifically before removing the running kernel oh a warning, that fixes everything. people always carefully read through the 800 lines of update spew before hitting 'y' to update, just like they actually read eulas uninstalling the running kernel is something that you shouldn't be able to do. period. out of curiosity i've tried manually uninstalling the running kernel on redhat distros and you can't do it as it's a protected package. maybe there's some obscure dnf command to force it, but at the very least it's extremely difficult, as it should be
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you know how people say if you make something idiot proof, they’ll invent a better idiot? that’s me. I need a distro that caters to my needs, and RHEL is that distro
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People run commands without -y ? Like, what are you doing issuing commands you might actually hit N for?
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RFC2324 posted:People run commands without -y ?
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The_Franz posted:uninstalling the running kernel is something that you shouldn't be able to do. period. Sounds like your not cut out for a real OS.. maybe a Mac is more your size
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The_Franz posted:uninstalling the running kernel is something that you shouldn't be able to do. period. out of curiosity i've tried manually uninstalling the running kernel on redhat distros and you can't do it as it's a protected package. maybe there's some obscure dnf command to force it, but at the very least it's extremely difficult, as it should be i uninstall running kernels all the time if apt installs a new one, i remove the existing one and manually delete the leftover stuff in the old directory in /lib/modules before rebooting it makes me unreasonably angry that centos prevents you from doing this
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Lysidas posted:i uninstall running kernels all the time Centos does it automatically, but keeps the last X(two by default, iirc, but configurable) versions in case of emergency
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debian does the same and i don't understand why you'd delete that poo poo manually? just apt autoremove --purge after updates
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Jonny 290 posted:i always confused aix and a/ux and that was probably mutually beneficial for both i feel like some product manager misheard something and that's how the apple network server, running aix, was born
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Lysidas posted:i uninstall running kernels all the time rhel and adjacent distros automatically delete old kernels, they keep the last couple just in case ef;b
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Lysidas posted:i uninstall running kernels all the time
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Lysidas posted:i uninstall running kernels all the time I do that all the time as well because the boot partition on my embedded device can't hold two kernels and initramfs at once
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