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Not to pile on the JW semi derail but I've only seen clips of those movies and...gently caress. For one thing, there doesn't seem to be anything subtle about them and for another, Jesus Christ is it just 2.5 hours of a motherfucker shooting people efficiently? I've heard they're good movies but to me it just looks like some guy non stop murdering people and I've found the clips incredibly off putting. I dunno. Maybe I'm being crotchety. I've heard the F&F movies are good too but, again, they just look like people driving cars real fast and I can't believe there's like 7 of them. Am I missing anything? Now here we are discussing movie subtlety while John Wick and Fast and Furious movies take over the conversation.
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It's okay they're Russians.
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Dec 11, 2020 01:50
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BiggerBoat posted:Not to pile on the JW semi derail but I've only seen clips of those movies and...gently caress. they killed his dog, dude. straight-up murdered the dog that his dying wife got him as a "hang-in-there" kinda gift. the murders are not only justified, they do not go far enough.
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Dec 11, 2020 01:56
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food court bailiff posted:they killed his dog, dude. straight-up murdered the dog that his dying wife got him as a "hang-in-there" kinda gift. the murders are not only justified, they do not go far enough. I dislike cruelty in media and I agree with this post wholeheartedly.
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Dec 11, 2020 02:02
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food court bailiff posted:they killed his dog, dude. Yeah, I heard about that part. poo poo's hosed up.
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Dec 11, 2020 02:13
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He's entirely justified in salting the earth over his dog being murdered but that's only the first film, in 2 & 3 his motivation is merely not wanting to be banned from the pirate hotel 
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Dec 11, 2020 02:17
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Everyone in the JW universe is scared to death of John Wick yet they don’t just leave him alone for some reason.
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Dec 11, 2020 02:20
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in the wild west days of wikipedia, i remember perusing the article on john mcclane for some reason and there was a section that was basically like "INJURIES SUSTAINED" that listed all his various injuries throughout the series. at the end there was subsection that read "THEORIES" which consisted of theories as to how john mcclane was able to sustain such mortal injuries and keep going (apparently working-class tenacity isn't a sufficient explanation). the "leading theory" in that subsection was that john mcclane had "hyperplasmia": his body produced an overabundance of blood. for years i kind of took it for granted that this was a thing that film nerds actually discussed or that was hinted to in the subtext of the films or something. i realize now that it was probably just one dude with a silent hill circumcision metaphor-level fixation on john mcclane, because to this day i have seen nothing else about this theory and google is telling me right now that hyperplasmia doesn't seem to be a real condition lol
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Dec 11, 2020 02:20
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God Hole posted:in the wild west days of wikipedia, i remember perusing the article on john mcclane for some reason and there was a section that was basically like "INJURIES SUSTAINED" that listed all his various injuries throughout the series. at the end there was subsection that read "THEORIES" which consisted of theories as to how john mcclane was able to sustain such mortal injuries and keep going (apparently working-class tenacity isn't a sufficient explanation). Screen Junkies had a more tongue in cheek injury analysis of John McClane's injuries here, they just straight up said "yeah, he would have died at this point" for several of them which is more accurate to be honest.
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Dec 11, 2020 02:42
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Pilchenstein posted:He's entirely justified in salting the earth over his dog being murdered but that's only the first film, in 2 & 3 his motivation is merely not wanting to be banned from the pirate hotel This is a post I pretty much agree with but still I'm pretty sure in 2 he's pulled in very reluctantly and tries to ignore it until they blow up his house around him and by 3 I just wanted to see more of Ian McShane in this insane world. It delivered.
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Dec 11, 2020 02:57
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food court bailiff posted:This is a post I pretty much agree with but still I'm pretty sure in 2 he's pulled in very reluctantly and tries to ignore it until they blow up his house around him and by 3 I just wanted to see more of Ian McShane in this insane world. It delivered. Yeah as much fun as gun kata Keanu is, the supporting cast did a LOT for these films, starting with John Leguizamo as Aurelio.
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Dec 11, 2020 03:41
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BiggerBoat posted:I've heard the F&F movies are good too but, again, they just look like people driving cars real fast and I can't believe there's like 7 of them. Am I missing anything? they are actually superhero movies. their superpower is cars.
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Dec 11, 2020 04:02
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GoldStandardConure posted:they are actually superhero movies. The F&F movies are Vin Diesel's increasingly high-level and ludicrous tabletop RPG campaign, the cars are their +2 vorpal swords Dom's the DMPC, the Rock is that one guy who always has to make the campaign all about him, Brian's player had a kid and can't make the time to play any more, but Han's coming back because they're all playing online in roll20 now
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Dec 11, 2020 06:09
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God Hole posted:in the wild west days of wikipedia, i remember perusing the article on john mcclane for some reason and there was a section that was basically like "INJURIES SUSTAINED" that listed all his various injuries throughout the series. at the end there was subsection that read "THEORIES" which consisted of theories as to how john mcclane was able to sustain such mortal injuries and keep going (apparently working-class tenacity isn't a sufficient explanation). Whenever I rewatch old movies I love to read the IMDB trivia section and on a recent viewing of Home Alone someone quoted a pathologist who catalogued all the injuries Marv and Harry sustain. It's a fun read while watching the third act. Die Hard: With a Vengeance makes the injuries he sustains in the first two seem incredibly realistic by comparison. It went from McClain pulling glass out of his feet to a Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon. 4 and 5 don't exist just like Crystal Skull. It's funny but despite all the abuse he takes in the first film Bruce Willis was at the time deemed to young to play thre part of McClain. Die Hard is an adaptation of a Robert Thorp novel called Nothing Lasts Forever. That novel is a sequel ro another novel called The Detective. Frank Sinatra played the main character in an adaptation of The Detective many treats earlier where he played a retired cop turned gumshoe. In Nothing Lasts Forever he's supposed to be a broken down senior citizen visiting his adult daughter. Frank Sinatra was offered the role but turned it down so they went in a different direction and changed the name of the main character and cast a guy known for romantic comedies and being an excellent dancer.
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Dec 11, 2020 07:48
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James Woods posted:Whenever I rewatch old movies I love to read the IMDB trivia section and on a recent viewing of Home Alone someone quoted a pathologist who catalogued all the injuries Marv and Harry sustain. It's a fun read while watching the third act. Medical history podcast Sawbones did a Christmas episode on the same thing. Including a guest spot from a legal podcast that talked about just how illegal everything Kevin did was.
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Dec 11, 2020 07:55
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oldpainless posted:Everyone in the JW universe is scared to death of John Wick yet they don’t just leave him alone for some reason. Everyone wants to be the badass that thinks they can take down the biggest badass. It's like all the mooks that attack Batman or Superman. Sure, they know they don't stand a chance, but what if they somehow DO take out the Batman? Imagine the street creed they'll have! (It helps that by the third movie he has a giant price on his head.)
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Dec 11, 2020 08:13
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God Hole posted:in the wild west days of wikipedia, i remember perusing the article on john mcclane for some reason and there was a section that was basically like "INJURIES SUSTAINED" that listed all his various injuries throughout the series. at the end there was subsection that read "THEORIES" which consisted of theories as to how john mcclane was able to sustain such mortal injuries and keep going (apparently working-class tenacity isn't a sufficient explanation). Same with John Wick, these movies are focus grouped towards people who go on fandom and work out the worldbuilding.
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Dec 11, 2020 08:55
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That's the best part, the prize is only like 7 million at the beginning of the hunt for him. That's a lot of money, but that's not "Boy I want to be lobotomized with a pencil!" kinda money (to me, at least). When it goes up to 14, that's a bit more believable that I could corral 4 or 5 mooks to try and take down one guy. It's kinda hard to say any detail is subtle about a movie franchise that involves the pope blessing a hit that was taken out, though. (Deleted scene in JW2) Stupid_Sexy_Flander has a new favorite as of 10:25 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Dec 11, 2020 08:57
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James Woods posted:Whenever I rewatch old movies I love to read the IMDB trivia section and on a recent viewing of Home Alone someone quoted a pathologist who catalogued all the injuries Marv and Harry sustain. It's a fun read while watching the third act. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39gTvcGZapE Interestingly, the book is supposedly a lot more morally ambiguous than the movie. The Hans Gruber equivalent is an anarchist Robin Hood, who wants to steal from the evil corporation to give back the money to the people. He was just about to let all the hostages go when this psycho cop shows up and goes on a killing spree.
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Dec 11, 2020 09:05
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Sunswipe posted:One of the different things about Die Hard was that John McClane wasn't a special forces trained super elite spec ops warrior. It's a convenient shorthand to explain why your character is able to take on a small army. Wait, that character from National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon got his own movie???!?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN6feERzbo8
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Dec 11, 2020 12:22
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James Woods posted:Whenever I rewatch old movies I love to read the IMDB trivia section and on a recent viewing of Home Alone someone quoted a pathologist who catalogued all the injuries Marv and Harry sustain. It's a fun read while watching the third act. For some reason I can’t remember, they were contractually required to offer the role to Sinatra and they breathed a sigh of relief when he turned it down. The Movies That Made Us on Netflix covered Die Hard as well, which was pretty good.
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Dec 11, 2020 12:49
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Krispy Wafer posted:At first I thought it was going to be another 'Falling Down' type movie where a regular guy just snaps and I'm happier with the retired assassin storyline. There's a difference between 'put upon middle-aged White male finally fed up with the world' and 'trained killer with a heart'. Yeah it looked like a mix of Falling Down, Joker and Super before we see he's competent. I think I would have preferred that movie.
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Dec 11, 2020 13:10
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oldpainless posted:Everyone in the JW universe is scared to death of John Wick yet they don’t just leave him alone for some reason. John Wick is that pimple you can't resist pinching.
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Dec 11, 2020 14:20
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Cacafuego posted:For some reason I can’t remember, they were contractually required to offer the role to Sinatra and they breathed a sigh of relief when he turned it down. The Movies That Made Us on Netflix covered Die Hard as well, which was pretty good. It's not complicated. Sinatra's contract for The Detective gave him first refusal if the sequel novel was made into a movie.
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Dec 11, 2020 15:06
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BiggerBoat posted:Not to pile on the JW semi derail but I've only seen clips of those movies and...gently caress. The third one has a delightful scene with a horse. On 'Nobody' - yup I'm clapping like an idiot (can I say that anymore these days geez?) in excitement.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:03
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:It's kinda hard to say any detail is subtle about a movie franchise that involves the pope blessing a hit that was taken out, though. (Deleted scene in JW2) Why the hell would they take that out? That’s sick af.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:57
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Warbird posted:Why the hell would they take that out? That’s sick af. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB3_6vDIj08&t=360s I think it's supposed to be some kind of assassin priest and not the actual pope. These assassin conspiracies are massive.
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Dec 11, 2020 17:14
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Cacafuego posted:For some reason I can’t remember, they were contractually required to offer the role to Sinatra and they breathed a sigh of relief when he turned it down. The Movies That Made Us on Netflix covered Die Hard as well, which was pretty good. So instead of "yippee ki yay motherfucker" it'd have been old fat Sinatra saying, "we're doing it....my way."
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Dec 11, 2020 18:10
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Krispy Wafer posted:So instead of "yippee ki yay motherfucker" it'd have been old fat Sinatra saying, "we're doing it....my way." “Regrets, I’ve had a few: what’s one more?”
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Dec 11, 2020 18:33
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Torquemada posted:“Regrets, I’ve had a few: what’s one more?” Lol you loving bastard
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Dec 11, 2020 18:37
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I forget which thread it was in, but someone was insisting that the Detective is actually the first Die Hard movie, so the series contains six films. It was loving bizarre.
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Dec 11, 2020 18:38
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The Detective can't be a Die Hard movie because it wasn't written as a sequel to a different movie and then reworked into Die Hard. edit Yes this means that Die Hard 5 is also not a Die Hard movie flavor.flv has a new favorite as of 18:57 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Dec 11, 2020 18:55
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BiggerBoat posted:Not to pile on the JW semi derail but I've only seen clips of those movies and...gently caress. Its pretty hard to get a feel for a movie from a clip. Jaws is an excellent movie with a bunch of great scenes in it, but how many would be enjoyable devoid of context to someone who didn't know the characters? I would suggest you give either series a try based solely on "people tend to enjoy watching these so you might as well", but from where you are now you'd most likely go into it feeling like doing homework and would, at best, come out thinking it was better than expected but still not like it. If you do ignore my advice though, skip the first 4 F&F movies. Narratively speaking, 5 is the first movie where they get everyone together to do a thing and many people haven't been seen in several movies so everyone gets reintroduced. Its better to have seen the others, but not enough to swing anyone's opinion of the franchise. Besides, 1 & 2 are before they knew what they were doing, 4 is the worst one, and 3 takes place concurrently with 6.
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Dec 11, 2020 18:57
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BiggerBoat posted:Not to pile on the JW semi derail but I've only seen clips of those movies and...gently caress. Regarding John Wick, a big part of their appeal is that they're not only good action movies, they're also extremely good looking and stylish in terms of cinematography, exotic locations, and the really over the top color palette. Watching youtube clips isn't really going to do that stuff justice. John Wick 2's climax takes place in like a hall of mirrors and it's one of the craziest action scenes in recent years as far as visuals. They made the first film for like 20 million and it was one of the best looking movies of 2014, bar none. Regarding F&F, a major factor you're not taking into account if you haven't seen them is that over the course of the series they've built up a large stable of good characters. So yea people want to see the ridiculous action set pieces but they also want to find out what the characters have been up to since the last adventure and where they'll end up next. It gets a lot of lip service in the actual movies themselves, Vin is constantly talking about how important family is and all that stuff, but it's actually a huge part of what has made the series so consistently successful.
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Torquemada posted:“Regrets, I’ve had a few: what’s one more?” You just made Die Hard with Frank Sinatra sound cool.
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Dec 11, 2020 19:14
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Basebf555 posted:Regarding John Wick, a big part of their appeal is that they're not only good action movies, they're also extremely good looking and stylish in terms of cinematography, exotic locations, and the really over the top color palette. Watching youtube clips isn't really going to do that stuff justice. John Wick 2's climax takes place in like a hall of mirrors and it's one of the craziest action scenes in recent years as far as visuals. They made the first film for like 20 million and it was one of the best looking movies of 2014, bar none. I'm 100% serious that the stuff people make the most fun of in F&F are the best parts*. They aren't deep characters but they're so earnest about everything that you buy into them. Dom's "I live life a quarter-mile at a time" line comes at the end of lamenting how he ruined the lives of himself and a mostly innocent guy after he watched his dad die at the track and took "revenge" on the other guy in the accident, earning himself a lifetime ban from racing in the process. He also explains how he'd never driven what is now his signature Charger because is belonged to his dad who was barely able to control it so what chance did he have? *Exceptions being "Danger to Manifold" which is actually dumb, and nobody makes fun of the scene in 6 where Han and Roman take turns getting their asses kicked and is great.
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Dec 11, 2020 19:23
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Krispy Wafer posted:You just made Die Hard with Frank Sinatra sound cool. I swear the scene where the guy on the plane is like guy on plane posted:After a fellow passenger notices McClane is a nervous flyer, he reveals that the "secret to surviving air travel". would be really funny with bad old Frankie Sinatra. Die Hard with a Vengeance, less so.
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Dec 11, 2020 19:27
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As long as it still had Alan Rickman, I'd be fine with Sinatra Die Hard. I'd still be rooting for the bad guys.
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Dec 11, 2020 20:33
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Cat Hatter posted:If you do ignore my advice though, skip the first 4 F&F movies. Narratively speaking, 5 is the first movie where they get everyone together to do a thing and many people haven't been seen in several movies so everyone gets reintroduced. Its better to have seen the others, but not enough to swing anyone's opinion of the franchise. Besides, 1 & 2 are before they knew what they were doing, 4 is the worst one, and 3 takes place concurrently with 6. Fast and Furious 1 is a remake of Point Break, but car instead of surfing Fast and Furious 2 is an episode of Miami Vice, but with extra car Fast and Furious 3 is a remake of Karate Kid, but car instead of karate Fast and Furious 4 is a mediocre 80s action movie (with car) Fast and Furious 5+ are superhero movies, but car
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Foxfire_ posted:Fast and Furious 1 is a remake of Point Break, but car instead of surfing Agreed, but 5 is more of a heist movie, but car instead of sneaking
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