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What does $300 get in this case? One of every size?
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Dec 9, 2020 05:33
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Hope op didn't complain using their real name.
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Dec 9, 2020 05:53
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Cat Face Joe posted:What does $300 get in this case? One of every size? This stuff here.
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Dec 9, 2020 07:39
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Comstar posted:I mean, I can understand a megacorp not caring, but he went out of his way to contact the op, and then didn't actually DO anything about it. Mearls probably looked the guy up, realized he wasn't a insane stalker or rightwing nutbar with minor internet influence, and decided he wasn't worth dealing with.
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Dec 9, 2020 08:02
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Three hundo and they're gonna send you a sticker sheet. I hope people who bought this also got the elephant issue and the tiger poster.
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Dec 9, 2020 16:47
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theironjef posted:Three hundo and they're gonna send you a sticker sheet. I hope people who bought this also got the elephant issue and the tiger poster. "Grognards like D&D too because it keeps their mind off death."
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Dec 9, 2020 16:51
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People sure do hate Cyberpunk 2077, but how is RED? Did it also poo poo the bed completely or did it turn out to be pretty dcent
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Dec 12, 2020 04:43
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When that didn't start with "Now your child can visit steamy jungles" I was briefly terrified.
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Dec 12, 2020 04:49
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:People sure do hate Cyberpunk 2077, but how is RED? Did it also poo poo the bed completely or did it turn out to be pretty dcent
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Dec 12, 2020 04:52
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:People sure do hate Cyberpunk 2077, but how is RED? Did it also poo poo the bed completely or did it turn out to be pretty dcent There's an F&F that just finished which is pretty comprehensive. (It doesn't look good.)
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Dec 12, 2020 05:00
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I assume it is still leaps and bounds better than Shadowrun 6th in any case.
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Dec 12, 2020 05:02
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I assume it is still leaps and bounds better than Shadowrun 6th in any case. Yes, but that's a bar so low you could comfortably Limbo over it.
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Dec 12, 2020 06:46
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Omnicrom posted:Yes, but that's a bar so low you could comfortably Limbo over it. wait what lol
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Dec 12, 2020 16:30
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Dexo posted:wait what lol Calling Shadowrun 6E a trash fire would be an insult to waste-to-energy plants worldwide. They actually do something useful and mostly properly. SR6 is not well made. If you want to surpass SR6, the bar to pass is "functioning core mechanics".
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Dec 12, 2020 16:44
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SkyeAuroline posted:Calling Shadowrun 6E a trash fire would be an insult to waste-to-energy plants worldwide. They actually do something useful and mostly properly.  That's not how Limbo works
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King of Solomon posted:
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Dec 12, 2020 16:54
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Xiahou Dun posted:There's an F&F that just finished which is pretty comprehensive. (It doesn't look good.) Whats f and f
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Dec 12, 2020 18:53
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FATAL and Friends kind of a let's read/review of tabletop stuff.
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Dec 12, 2020 18:56
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Dreqqus posted:FATAL and Friends kind of a let's read/review of tabletop stuff. Oh neat thanks
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Dec 12, 2020 18:56
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The FnF write-up of Shadowrun 6e demonstrated that a 5-year old with a bike chain can easily dispatch a dude in full combat armor with a riot shield because in their Gear Porn game they accidentally made gear completely useless.
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Dec 12, 2020 19:09
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Shadowrun 6E is so badly designed that after Catalyst sent early copies of the game out to a youtube streaming group, that group eventually quit playing because it was just too broken and janky and put out a two hour video explaining why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn1cYgG0bQw
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Dec 12, 2020 20:40
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Kai Tave posted:Shadowrun 6E is so badly designed that after Catalyst sent early copies of the game out to a youtube streaming group, that group eventually quit playing because it was just too broken and janky and put out a two hour video explaining why. They’re so nice, too. They’re even trying to fix problems and those fixes break something else because the game is such a dumpster en flambé.
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Dec 13, 2020 01:44
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Shadowrun might be the worst RPG I've ever seen (from a mechanical standpoint) that somehow keeps releasing more and more editions that not only fail to improve the game, but somehow make parts of it worse.
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Dec 13, 2020 06:48
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ZearothK posted:Shadowrun might be the worst RPG I've ever seen (from a mechanical standpoint) that somehow keeps releasing more and more editions that not only fail to improve the game, but somehow make parts of it worse. which sucks, because I love the world.
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Dec 13, 2020 06:55
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Dexo posted:which sucks, because I love the world. Oh, no doubt about it. There's plenty to love in the setting. I don't even remember which edition it was, but when I ran SR like seven years ago I read through the book for a few days and then decided to homebrew rules to play it because that felt like less of a pain than trying to deal with that system.
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Dec 13, 2020 07:04
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:People sure do hate Cyberpunk 2077, but how is RED? Did it also poo poo the bed completely or did it turn out to be pretty dcent The psycho fan base would essentially guarantee a cat piss thread story for any open games, and it would scare away a lot of the folks I'd like to play with, I suspect.
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Dec 13, 2020 07:29
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ZearothK posted:Shadowrun might be the worst RPG I've ever seen (from a mechanical standpoint) that somehow keeps releasing more and more editions that not only fail to improve the game, but somehow make parts of it worse.
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ZearothK posted:Shadowrun might be the worst RPG I've ever seen (from a mechanical standpoint) that somehow keeps releasing more and more editions that not only fail to improve the game, but somehow make parts of it worse. They might've actually learned their lesson this time, at least, considering how good Mechwarrior Destiny is compared to every other iteration of the Mechwarrior RPG.
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Dec 13, 2020 14:19
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PoptartsNinja posted:They might've actually learned their lesson this time, at least, considering how good Mechwarrior Destiny is compared to every other iteration of the Mechwarrior RPG.
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Dec 13, 2020 21:16
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surely between Fragged Cyberpunk and the half-dozen different PBTA Shadowruns nobody actually has to play Shadowrun(tm) in this day and age
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Dec 13, 2020 21:41
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:surely between Fragged Cyberpunk and the half-dozen different PBTA Shadowruns nobody actually has to play Shadowrun(tm) in this day and age The Sega Genesis game holds up. 
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ZearothK posted:Oh, no doubt about it. There's plenty to love in the setting. I don't even remember which edition it was, but when I ran SR like seven years ago I read through the book for a few days and then decided to homebrew rules to play it because that felt like less of a pain than trying to deal with that system. does shadowrun 6e still have the Extremely Cool rules/lore interaction of "Orcs and Trolls aren't any less intelligent than other races, we've realized that has extremely obvious racist implications, oops. Anyways here's the stat caps for all the races, Orcs and Trolls still have a notably lower max intelligence than everyone else." I forget which edition I was reading when I last cared about the game but that got a good laugh out of me. Shadowrun has always been fraught with terrible ideas from naive white nerds, I think the problems are entirely fixable but would require changing so much there'd definitely be idiot backlash
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Dec 13, 2020 23:11
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Lord_Hambrose posted:The Sega Genesis game holds up. The Harebrained computer games were pretty decent too.
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Lambo Trillrissian posted:does shadowrun 6e still have the Extremely Cool rules/lore interaction of "Orcs and Trolls aren't any less intelligent than other races, we've realized that has extremely obvious racist implications, oops. Anyways here's the stat caps for all the races, Orcs and Trolls still have a notably lower max intelligence than everyone else." No, they’re just uncharismatic instead. They did make humans terrible, though.. what’s the feeling on “racism as balancing disadvantage?” hyphz fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Dec 13, 2020 23:14
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Racism as a narrative element of a setting is something I like to clear with my players and put at their discretion if I use it at all, and anything that makes that harder -- like integrating it into the mechanics and forcing me to homebrew alternative balancing factors -- isn't something I like to see, although it's not a strict dealbreaker. e: if it's core to the premise of the game itself that's worth considering too but, like, we're talking about Shadowrun here, not Spire Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Dec 13, 2020 23:20
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Racism as a narrative element of a setting is something I like to clear with my players and put at their discretion if I use it at all, and anything that makes that harder -- like integrating it into the mechanics and forcing me to homebrew alternative balancing factors -- isn't something I like to see, although it's not a strict dealbreaker. It also makes a certain difference if all the PCs and their allies are automatically the people discriminated against. Obviously you want all of the themes of your game to be okay with your players, but there's a big difference between "we are the victims of bigotry coming together to fight it" and "picking certain character options makes you a target of extra bigotry." Spire being in the former category seems like an additional important difference.
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Ultiville posted:It also makes a certain difference if all the PCs and their allies are automatically the people discriminated against. Obviously you want all of the themes of your game to be okay with your players, but there's a big difference between "we are the victims of bigotry coming together to fight it" and "picking certain character options makes you a target of extra bigotry." Spire being in the former category seems like an additional important difference. The second is more what I was talking about - where there's races (as in Shadowrun 6e) which have outright better stats than others, but have "this race is discriminated against and disliked" as a balancing disadvantage.
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hyphz posted:The second is more what I was talking about - where there's races (as in Shadowrun 6e) which have outright better stats than others, but have "this race is discriminated against and disliked" as a balancing disadvantage. If it's mechanized, racism is a universal negative that implies it's a metaphysical fact (-2 to all diplomacy rolls because everyone is racist against you), and if it's not you're relying on the GM to be racist precisely enough to balance the mechanical advantages. I don't think it's a great way to operate.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:surely between Fragged Cyberpunk and the half-dozen different PBTA Shadowruns nobody actually has to play Shadowrun(tm) in this day and age Nobody HAS to drink Mad Dog 20/20 either, and yet. hyphz posted:No, they’re just uncharismatic instead. They did make humans terrible, though.. what’s the feeling on “racism as balancing disadvantage?” That it sucks poo poo.
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When doing Lines and Veils, racism has been a Line for one of my tables. Not, like, "don't be racist", but rather "I don't want to have to think about or deal with racism for the next three hours". Any game that bakes it in is right out.
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