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forkboy84 posted:Julie Burchill just going all in on bigotry now I guess. That's liberalism for you Got a new book out about being cancelled by the wokes so gotta do a Racism to get cancelled.
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It was pointed out earlier on twitter that Emilie Oldknow helped allow Rod Liddle to stay in Labour (at least initially) after he did a massive Islamophobia. It was in the leaked report but I had missed this previously:quote:John Stolliday, then head of governance and legal, asked colleague Emilie Oldknow if journalist Rod Liddle could be suspended after Mr Liddle wrote in The Spectator that anti-semitism was “absolutely endemic” among Muslims due to an “envy” of Jewish people.
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WhatEvil posted:It was pointed out earlier on twitter that Emilie Oldknow helped allow Rod Liddle to stay in Labour (at least initially) after he did a massive Islamophobia. It was in the leaked report but I had missed this previously: This is what makes me mad. If the bloody Graun had bothered to publish bits from the leaked labour report highlighting stuff like this instead of drawing a veil over the whole thing - and I'm pretty sure many Graun readers have very little idea what was in that report (or even that it existed). I'm sorry to say, many of the local party members are avid readers of and believers in the Graun. Emergency preparedness chat: I've been checking out individual portion packs of peanut butter, biscuits and so forth to add to my boring beans and canned meat/fish stash. (I can't trust myself at all with full-size packs and barely trust myself with 71 individually wrapped chocolate coated biscuit bars for £20). I feel I am a Pavlov's Dog. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Well they wouldn't, becuase they support the people doing it and their political views. The fools in that instance seem to be the people reading the paper.
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OwlFancier posted:Well they wouldn't, becuase they support the people doing it and their political views. I've asked a couple why they trust the Graun and they are totally wedded to it, believing it to be 'left' and 'honest'. I saw for myself from their reporting during the Morsi year that they are very far from balanced.
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I would have to assume the people who think that are far more aligned with the liberal democrats. Frankly the idea that you need a paper or even papers in general in 2020 seems bizzare to me.
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OwlFancier posted:I would have to assume the people who think that are far more aligned with the liberal democrats. They are labour party members. (yeah, I know that doesn't mean they're not spiritually libdems.) I guess I should try and go sleep now. Had a flu jab yesterday and had quite a bad reaction last night so my sleep is shot to heck again.
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The Guardian puts a lot of effort into selling its image as a fair-minded, progressive and all round decent newspaper. The shine comes off as soon as you start to dig in to how it actually works and what it actually does but most people don't do that.
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Kin posted:Anyone ever used bulk meat places like muscle foods before or have a recommendation on where to bulk buy fresh meat? We've used musclefood, its decent quailty and decent price - their chicken is good, the beef not so much, but still edable. But it comes in huge bags, so expect to spend half and hour bagging up 5kg of chicken into portions that are useful.
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I admit I've not been following him closely but I'm just surprised Rod Liddle has ever been a member of a left wing party. He's always come across like a neolib if not outright right-winger.
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knox_harrington posted:I admit I've not been following him closely but I'm just surprised Rod Liddle has ever been a member of a left wing party. He's always come across like a neolib if not outright right-winger. I still reckon a lot of people join labour parties just because they don't have the connections to get in with the tories.
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When Rod Liddle joined Labour, it was probably the Tony Blair, Sensible Centrist Establishment version of Labour that he joined.
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knox_harrington posted:I admit I've not been following him closely but I'm just surprised Rod Liddle has ever been a member of a left wing party. He's always come across like a neolib if not outright right-winger. Liddle is an outright racist sexist fascist who is, self admittedly, into shagging kids. He's not even a lib dem, and that's a low bar to clear tbh.
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I always get Burchill confused with the other poo poo terf Julie. Which one wants to kill sex workers, specifically female sex workers, for moralistic reasons but still calls themselves a feminist? Is it both?
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OwlFancier posted:The shine comes off for me the minute I read any of it. I honestly feel like it's gotten a lot worse, it seemed almost reasonable in the Milliband era but with Corbyn and especially now Starmer they went hard on anti-socialism and terf/swerfiness. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:I always get Burchill confused with the other poo poo terf Julie. Burchill definitely does https://mobile.twitter.com/melissa_phobia/status/1335729410914332673?s=19 Can't speak to other one. e: spoilered for the preceding tweet I can't seem to remove. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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knox_harrington posted:I admit I've not been following him closely but I'm just surprised Rod Liddle has ever been a member of a left wing party. He's always come across like a neolib if not outright right-winger. Liddle was a Labour member when it was the right kind of racist and so he could write articles like "as a Labour member I think we should send everyone not white to the camps". So how's Kieth on LBC going? https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1338413298820198402?s=19 Ah.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Liddle was a Labour member when it was the right kind of racist and so he could write articles like "as a Labour member I think we should send everyone not white to the camps". Lungboy posted:e: spoilered for the preceding tweet I can't seem to remove.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Liddle was a Labour member when it was the right kind of racist and so he could write articles like "as a Labour member I think we should send everyone not white to the camps". Also supportive of the general principle of deporting foreign offenders "for serious offences" Love my big principled antiracist LOTO, much better than that awful guy they had before
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I've asked a couple why they trust the Graun and they are totally wedded to it, believing it to be 'left' and 'honest'. Until I started reading here and C-SPAM I thought that too. My view was that if the Guardian, a supposedly left-ish firmly Labour-supporting paper was saying all these bad things about Corbyn, then they must have a good reason for it, and they must be true. I am still baffled as to why they went so strongly anti-Corbyn, as I now recognise they did. Pistol_Pete posted:The Guardian puts a lot of effort into selling its image as a fair-minded, progressive and all round decent newspaper. The shine comes off as soon as you start to dig in to how it actually works and what it actually does but most people don't do that. Also true. OwlFancier posted:I would have to assume the people who think that are far more aligned with the liberal democrats. I don't think that's actually right - in part per the post above. Centre/right Labour yes, but not LD (maybe you think they are the same, but they are not, especially post-2010 and coalition). sebzilla posted:Also supportive of the general principle of deporting foreign offenders "for serious offences" Maybe I am being a terrible racist fascist etc but I don't think that deporting foreign offenders for genuinely serious offenders (basically murder, rape, serious assault/GBH/ABH, attempted murder) is a terrible thing, provided that it doesn't break up families, remove them from their children, etc (which means that in practice it would be very limited, which is fine). (I believe that the current practice is that someone can be deported if they receive a sentence of 12 months or greater, which I think is way too low a bar.) If I am wrong please explain why - I am open to being persuaded.
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Apparently this is a Liddle piece: https://twitter.com/english_brooks/status/1337561867796013059
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Gonzo McFee posted:Got a new book out about being cancelled by the wokes so gotta do a Racism to get cancelled. https://twitter.com/BoozeAndFagz/status/1338389310761000960 You can just see one of Julie's journo mates telling her "See the trick is to say something that's controversial but deniable. Blow that dogwhistle just right and all the men who had to attend HR meetings about their behaviour will throw their money at you. Get that goldilocks racism going." Julie nods, logs onto twitter and calls all Muslims paedophiles.
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therattle posted:Until I started reading here and C-SPAM I thought that too. My view was that if the Guardian, a supposedly left-ish firmly Labour-supporting paper was saying all these bad things about Corbyn, then they must have a good reason for it, and they must be true. I am still baffled as to why they went so strongly anti-Corbyn, as I now recognise they did. Seamus Milne, Corbyn’s Malcolm Tucker, used to be senior management at the Guardian. So just about everyone everyone writing for the Guardian would have previously reported to him. I can’t help but think that that colored their reporting when the stories of mismanagement and strategic confusion came out. Note that something similar is true of Boris Johnson and the right wing press; basically everyone who ever worked with him has written damning criticism. It’s just that, having won rather than lost, he is not in the market for excuses.
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Reminder that Carrie Symonds was in a relationship with the mail's senior politics reporter until she cheated on him with Boris and is now writing fawning articles about Boris daily
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therattle posted:I am still baffled as to why they went so strongly anti-Corbyn, as I now recognise they did. The Guardian's gimmick is earnestly calling for reform, while secretly being perfectly content with the status quo. They were visibly horrified when Corbyn popped up all eager to actually muck in and start changing stuff.
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Yeah personal attitudes to top politicians definitely change the particulars of the reporting but are generally crushed beneath the ideological messaging from the owners and editors. Is Labour infighting or are they promoting a serious internal culture of debate around vital issues of the day? Well that depends if the left is winning or not. The about face the entire press does when the Tories adopt any Labour policy or attitude makes that perfectly clear.
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Pistol_Pete posted:The Guardian's gimmick is earnestly calling for reform, while secretly being perfectly content with the status quo. They were visibly horrified when Corbyn popped up all eager to actually muck in and start changing stuff. Yeah the complete about face when he got in was when I realised the guardian is right wing. All the stuff they'd been calling for for the decade I'd been reading them was suddenly unrealistic and dangerous as soon as it was possible. I remember arguing with my dad about it and asking him why he now opposed everything he supposedly supports. Answer: guardian told him to.
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therattle posted:Maybe I am being a terrible racist fascist etc but I don't think that deporting foreign offenders for genuinely serious offenders (basically murder, rape, serious assault/GBH/ABH, attempted murder) is a terrible thing, provided that it doesn't break up families, remove them from their children, etc (which means that in practice it would be very limited, which is fine). (I believe that the current practice is that someone can be deported if they receive a sentence of 12 months or greater, which I think is way too low a bar.) If I am wrong please explain why - I am open to being persuaded. Even if there was some way to get around this though (there isn't), that doesn't get around the first point, that it is an intrinsically racist policy because it applies criminal punishments selectively to foreign nationals only (and also, in effect, people who look a bit like foreign nationals, iykwim  )Gonzo McFee posted:You can just see one of Julie's journo mates telling her "See the trick is to say something that's controversial but deniable. Blow that dogwhistle just right and all the men who had to attend HR meetings about their behaviour will throw their money at you. Get that goldilocks racism going." Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Its racist that i cant smoke weed legally in the uk
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Pistol_Pete posted:The Guardian puts a lot of effort into selling its image as a fair-minded, progressive and all round decent newspaper. The shine comes off as soon as you start to dig in to how it actually works and what it actually does but most people don't do that. Or the moment it reports on something you actually know about and you can see how its reporting is incredibly vulnerable to balanced-sounding bullshit The way reporting on trans issues has become so reliant on parroting well-connected terfs with prepared reasonably phrased statements instead of actual time and effort spent trying to actually understand trans issues has made me lose any lingering respect to several papers, in a "dear god what other subjects is it this susceptible to total bullshit" way. There was a tweet i saw the other day about how we white trans people should be aware that a similar pattern of media bullshit also applies to black people, GRT people, disabled people, and basically every other marginalised group ever, which I think is a good point to emphasise and keep in mind. I still don't know what the best way to actually stay informed is, to be honest. Get exhausted each day on twitter discourse? Take everything posted in d&d and c-spam as gospel? Drop out of life and exclusively read in-depth histories of the russian revolution?
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Lungboy posted:Apparently this is a Liddle piece: This came up on my FB: 
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Personally, I'd say that The Guardian is the most powerful newspaper in the country. Overall, the right-wing press is more powerful, but that power is diffuse - it's easy to look at the front pages of those papers and see different nuances, some backing Boris to the hilt, others starting to undermine him in favour of Rishi or Gove or someone. But if you're not a Tory, there is only one newspaper to read (other than the non-entity that is the Mirror) and that's The Guardian. So there's just a huge, and generally relatively powerful, chunk of the country that just takes its word as gospel. In fact, the idea that someone who isn't a Tory wouldn't like it is just bizarre to them. These are the people who hate Corbyn but can't actually articulate why.
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Sorry for self posting but for some unfathomable reason I trust people in this thread. My wife is on new medication for depression and was advised it might take a couple of weeks to “stabilise”. She spent most of Saturday moping around looking sad until finally admitting she just wanted some quiet, so I ran her a bath and sent her to bed. Yesterday she was bright and cheerful and said it helped loads, we had a lovely time doing Xmas decs with our daughter, but today she’s very down again. She says she’s fine but clearly isn’t, is there anything I should be doing other than checking in with her, and hourly deliveries of tea/mince pies? We’re both working from home but it’s very quiet so she’s tied to her desk without having much to do. Want to help but don’t know how!
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Angepain posted:I still don't know what the best way to actually stay informed is, to be honest. Get exhausted each day on twitter discourse? Take everything posted in d&d and c-spam as gospel? Drop out of life and exclusively read in-depth histories of the russian revolution? Read the UKMT
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