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Splicer posted:Welcome to /bad/ point-based char gen systems. You can never completely remove char gen traps but you can minimise them and provide explicit guidance to avoid them. I have no experience with the system to comment on this specifically but I am going to
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Gobbeldygook posted:, e.g. I don't know if there was ever an edition where cyberlimbs were generally good and not a noob trap. 5e. Hand of God is a common decker build for a reason.
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Absolutely no fantasy aspects. It's about a group of friends united by D&D but not about the D&D. It's basically The Joy Luck Club or Paddleton, but the reason they keep gathering is a campaign that hasn't been interrupted since 1995. Now one of them is dying, one of them is going through a messy divorce, and two of them are haltingly falling in love. Can the campaign survive? Should it? Directed by the Duplass brothers, it's D&D: Roll the Dice. ...music by the Mountain Goats and Bonnie Prince Billy
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Alternative Duplass D&D film: Mark Duplass places a want ad for a DM offering 1000 dollars for a day's work. Someone responds but when they pull out the 5e DM's guide, Mark puts on a wolf mask and jams an axe into their skull
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SkyeAuroline posted:5e. Hand of God is a common decker build for a reason. Specifically, the trick is you get a not otherwise combat optimized character one arm with really good Agility so they can shoot guns accurately with it.
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a Safdie Brothers film about a DM that's managed to book four D&D sessions back-to-back within the same day, with two of them overlapping, and has to run all of them a Coen Brothers film about five people roped into a D&D session - none of them actually know how to play, but none of them are willing to admit it, so they have to make it up as they go along
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SkyeAuroline posted:5e. Hand of God is a common decker build for a reason.
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GimpInBlack posted:10 to 1 they just rip off Jumanji.
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Subversive seems to me to be code for "we don't actually play D&D and still think it's for basement nerds".
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Just do a Knights of the Dinner Table style sports movie about competitive D&D. Just present it seriously enough and you are golden.
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Gobbeldygook posted:If you're referring to the old "one cyberarm but with attribute enhancements on it and you try to convince the GM you're doing everything one-handed", that is exactly the problem I'm talking about. Cyberlimbs are not "generally good", it is a single way of using exactly one type of cyberlimb that also provokes table arguments. In a cyberpunk game replacing your arms or legs with cybernetics should make you a badass, but in Shadowrun they're noob traps. This is fair. There are more solid use cases than just the hand of god, but they do require understanding the system farther than a new player is likely to. I don't necessarily agree with your last point, but I think that's going to come down to a difference in the type of cyberpunk fiction we're interested (and hence possibly beyond the scope of this thread) and the focus of cyberpunk TTRPGs on styles that emphasize that "badass cybered-up protagonist" style even if they don't mechanically reinforce it.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just do a Knights of the Dinner Table style sports movie about competitive D&D. Just present it seriously enough and you are golden. This except as a Christopher Guest mockumentary.
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Gobbeldygook posted:4. Yes and they made it somewhat worse in 4e by buffing spirits. *laughs in 5e* Magic supremacy has gone off the charts under Hardy's tenure. It'd be huge in 6e too, but the rules are so incoherently written that it's hard to parse what is and isn't good, because they keep referring to 5e concepts that aren't in 6e.
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Glazius posted:What even counts as a subversive approach anyway? Using Fourth Edition cosmology? They are going to try to make isekai fantasy harem anime mainstream
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Glazius posted:What even counts as a subversive approach anyway? Using Fourth Edition cosmology? They're going to switch to Pathfinder in the second act. Although the idea of a shared narrative that parallels the lives of the players would be kind of cool, NGL.
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I remain firm in my conviction that true success would be found in a campy daytime series a la Hercules/Xena.
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theironjef posted:Absolutely no fantasy aspects. It's about a group of friends united by D&D but not about the D&D. It's basically The Joy Luck Club or Paddleton, but the reason they keep gathering is a campaign that hasn't been interrupted since 1995. Now one of them is dying, one of them is going through a messy divorce, and two of them are haltingly falling in love. Can the campaign survive? Should it? Directed by the Duplass brothers, it's D&D: Roll the Dice. I think this would actually rock. Make it a bit like the gamers, with their real world problems intruding into small fantasy vignette-style scenes and you're good to go. Heck, put an Ensemble Cast into it, it would be a fun movie to actually watch. Make it AO rated for the fan crowd and bam, cult classic. Also it reveals how DnD is really exchangeable because really, that story could be about anything, whether its a continuous poker group, fantasy football et al.
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That Old Tree posted:I remain firm in my conviction that true success would be found in a campy daytime series a la Hercules/Xena. Four regular main characters and one rotating fifth who gets replaced every few episodes as the player comes up with a new weird concept they want to run, them gets bored with. Their story hooks get introduced, then dropped unceremoniously. The new character gets treated like a long-time associate by the other main characters. Nobody ever comments on this.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Four regular main characters and one rotating fifth who gets replaced every few episodes as the player comes up with a new weird concept they want to run, them gets bored with. 
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moths posted:They're going to switch to Pathfinder in the second act. There's a play called Of Dice and Men that does this, and it manages to be quite good, to the point where it's become sort of a cult hit that keeps getting revived at tiny theaters across the US. Highly recommended if it's ever showing in your area. Alternatively, it looks like one of the aforementioned tiny theaters recorded a production of it and put it on Patreon for a couple bucks. Not sure how it would compare to the live theater experience, but it's always nice to support the arts.
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Character death all handled by Chris Pine looking out a window while a Shins cover of Landslide plays.
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It's going to be an isekai and Chris Pine is going to roll his eyes at all these orcs and elves because he's a jaded US military soldier.
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Nuns with Guns posted:It's going to be an isekai and Chris Pine is going to roll his eyes at all these orcs and elves because he's a jaded US military soldier.
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Tibalt posted:Does remember that fantasy book where some orcs find a stash of M16s in a dragon hoard and become the version of Marines they show in recruitment commercials? later an actual Marine gets summoned and he's a terrified non-combatant who wants to go home. Grunts!
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My Dad's Monster Manual a response to the removal of racial penalties and asking the important question "these kids today, they're all trans!"
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Cat Face Joe posted:My Dad's Monster Manual
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Cat Face Joe posted:My Dad's Monster Manual i don't what where are you getting that from this seems really innocuous, did james introcaso or his dad make some bad tweets or something
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it's a joke, cause dads and all. the book seems fine
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Cat Face Joe posted:it's a joke, cause dads and all. the book seems fine Get better at jokes
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Cat Face Joe posted:it's a joke, cause dads and all. the book seems fine might need to work on your delivery then because that was not apparent in your post
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Mors Rattus posted:Get better at jokes No. whydirt posted:might need to work on your delivery then because that was not apparent in your post Yeah, I realize that now.
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GimpInBlack posted:10 to 1 they just rip off Jumanji. I hear a chainmail bikini joke incoming~!
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Nuns with Guns posted:It's going to be an isekai and Chris Pine is going to roll his eyes at all these orcs and elves because he's a jaded US military soldier. Ah, like the Monster Hunter movie.
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It's funny, you see, because some people are transphobic C O M E D Y
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Dawgstar posted:I hear a chainmail bikini joke incoming~! Hey there’s at least one good chainmail bikini joke: (read right to left) 
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thetoughestbean posted:Hey there’s at least one good chainmail bikini joke: (read right to left) Before Dave Sim lost his goddamn mind and the comic descended into a horrorshow of misogyny, there was a good gag with Red Sophia about how stupid that kind of getup is. 
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That Old Tree posted:I remain firm in my conviction that true success would be found in a campy daytime series a la Hercules/Xena. Absolutely. 25 eps per season, medium production values, kitchen sink every last D&D thing you can think of even if it doesn't really make sense, do one big arc and some non-story eps per season, and take it about as seriously as Xena takes mythology. Maybe have a (partially) rotating cast and just never mention it.
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:Absolutely. 25 eps per season, medium production values, kitchen sink every last D&D thing you can think of even if it doesn't really make sense, do one big arc and some non-story eps per season, and take it about as seriously as Xena takes mythology. Maybe have a (partially) rotating cast and just never mention it. This is, ironically, what Disney would actually excel at doing.
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GimpInBlack posted:10 to 1 they just rip off Jumanji. let Kieron Gillen write it and "rip off" Die!
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Goa Tse-tung posted:let Kieron Gillen write it and "rip off" Die! Die is fine but they really should just adapt his Darth Vader run. Best piece of Star Wars media and it isn't even close.
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