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OwlFancier posted:The critical thing with this, which perhaps ties into guavanaut's earlier post about safety, is that when puberty is the thing you are unsure about then you can't just wait until you're feeling more sure, because that's going to happen to you without intervention. And yes, delaying it might not be ideal, it might end up not being what you want, but evidence suggests that just allowing what is for everyone an unpleasant thing and for some people an actually loving deadly thing to happen because you think that only positive action carries moral culpability, then that's just killing people to salve your conscience. Having read your quote of my quote I think I worded it badly: I hope people understood what I meant, I'm having trouble putting it into words! Basically, I'm saying that what I've picked up is that if you prevent kids having puberty blockers, you may be causing then to go through puberty and iireversible changes. VV and what Bobby Deluxe says below - they don't stop it, just postpone it. Page snipe: Oooh miss, I know this one - to '86' someone is to get rid of or throw them out. (American friends frequently posted on FB about 86ing Trump). This is because the form you have to use is an AT6. Also, in parts of the UK, form AT6 is to do with evictions. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 15, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:The critical thing with this, which perhaps ties into guavanaut's earlier post about safety, is that when puberty is the thing you are unsure about then you can't just wait until you're feeling more sure, because that's going to happen to you without intervention. And yes, delaying it might not be ideal, it might end up not being what you want, but evidence suggests that just allowing what is for everyone an unpleasant thing and for some people an actually loving deadly thing to happen because you think that only positive action carries moral culpability, then that's just killing people to salve your conscience. I wish there was a snappier way of saying 'puberty delayers' because that's what they are.
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I think possibly the easiest thing to do with the people who are against puberty blockers for trans or NB or questioning teens is to find out where they are on the issue of 'corrective' surgery for intersex infants and prepubescent children. If they're for it, they're hypocrites who just want to keep things 'simple' at the expense of children, and might need to consider that. If they're against it, great, there's something far more damaging that they can campaign against. If they've never heard of it, they might find themselves going down a whole different rabbit hole to the anti-trans one. Any of those is a preferable outcome.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Having read your quote of my quote I think I worded it badly: I hope people understood what I meant, I'm having trouble putting it into words! Basically, I'm saying that what I've picked up is that if you prevent kids having puberty blockers, you may be causing then to go through puberty and iireversible changes. No I think I got you, it was more the person you were talking about seemingly treating puberty as a neutral thing, whereas the important thing to recognize is that it isn't, just because it happens on its own and requires positive action to prevent or forestall doesn't mean that it is value neutral. Getting sick and dying happens on its own but we still try to prevent that for a while.
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why is every MP in the labour party so loving poo poo https://twitter.com/HowUpsetting/status/1338933330348216328?s=20
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Dec 15, 2020 23:32
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Private Speech posted:That might be, my knowledge of English Latin pronunciation is a bit patchy. I went to a fairly posh classics-oriented school in eastern europe so I never learned all the details of it (eastern european countries naturally have their own weirdo modern Latin pronunciation, but we did learn classical as well and we've also gotten to go to a classics conference in London so I've had some exposure to the English one). I did Latin in school and we were just taught the reconstructed Roman pronunciation. I think that's pretty typical here unless you're a Catholic maybe 
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feedmegin posted:I did Latin in school and we were just taught the reconstructed Roman pronunciation. I think that's pretty typical here unless you're a Catholic maybe I did Latin back in the year dot (but post Roman Britain) - 1973/4 to be precise. As an example, we were taught that 'princeps' was pronounced 'prin-keps' which I think is the reconstructed Roman pronunciation not 'princheps'
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In other, less horrible news: Ofcom boss declares it ‘extremely inappropriate’ for BBC to ‘balance’ trans people with anti-trans activists quote:Ofcom chief executive Melanie Dawes made the comments before parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee on Tuesday (15 December), when asked about the BBC’s current editorial practice of requiring critical voices in all discussions relating to transgender people. https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1338804523905716231?s=19
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Going to go a little TV IV for a moment. Just finished Industry and for the first time ever in my TV watching career I have wanted absolutely every single character to fail. Never have I seen characters subjugated to awful behaviour and thought "I don't care". Also found it very exploitative of a group of young actors at the start of their careers. Having said that I did like the amount of dong on display.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I did Latin back in the year dot (but post Roman Britain) - 1973/4 to be precise. I did Latin at school from probably '90-'98? And I never knew there was another pronunciation besides the hard 'c'.
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Maugrim posted:I did Latin at school from probably '90-'98? And I never knew there was another pronunciation besides the hard 'c'. It was quite common I think to pronounce the 'c' as 'ch' or 's' depending on the word. Ecclesiastical I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Hx0NIa3Yw Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Dec 16, 2020 |
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notaspy posted:Going to go a little TV IV for a moment. Huh, never heard of it. Let me just Google the premise quote:Young finance graduates Let me just stop you right there,
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Classical latin afaik only has the hard c, but yes the church basically does all sorts with it, the heathens.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Huh, never heard of it. Let me just Google the premise I wish I had but my partner was into it, so I had to go along with it. I get to pick the next thing we watch, is there anything ultra-leftwing I can use as a palate cleanser
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notaspy posted:I wish I had but my partner was into it, so I had to go along with it. Land and Freedom's pretty good.
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I really don't get how people watch most TV, like how am I supposed to be invested in a show about some posh twats loitering around a tip and grabbing bits of auld shite so they can get their weird mates to put hours of work on thousands of pounds of machinery and training so they can sell it to some gormless other posh people for a hundred quid? Or watch horrible yuppies buy knackered houses and do cowboy basic repairs so they can rent them out like the parasites they are?
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notaspy posted:Going to go a little TV IV for a moment. Going by this interview with the writers it seems like you got what they were going for then quote:
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OwlFancier posted:I really don't get how people watch most TV, like how am I supposed to be invested in a show about some posh twats loitering around a tip and grabbing bits of auld shite so they can get their weird mates to put hours of work on thousands of pounds of machinery and training so they can sell it to some gormless other posh people for a hundred quid? Or watch horrible yuppies buy knackered houses and do cowboy basic repairs so they can rent them out like the parasites they are? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7EgQXMV8nM
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OwlFancier posted:I really don't get how people watch most TV, like how am I supposed to be invested in a show about some posh twats loitering around a tip and grabbing bits of auld shite so they can get their weird mates to put hours of work on thousands of pounds of machinery and training so they can sell it to some gormless other posh people for a hundred quid? Or watch horrible yuppies buy knackered houses and do cowboy basic repairs so they can rent them out like the parasites they are? you are aware day time tv is not the totality of telly right
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OwlFancier posted:Or watch horrible yuppies buy knackered houses and do cowboy basic repairs so they can rent them out like the parasites they are? homes under the hammer used to be the absolute apex of daytime television, now its all professional property flippers and local land barons
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So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF?
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kustomkarkommando posted:you are aware day time tv is not the totality of telly right Oh yeah there's like, coronation street, erm, quiz shows... casualty? Is casualty still on? poirot? Bone Crimes posted:So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF? There's not really anything we can do about that though, that's entirely up to the government and if they decide to gently caress it up then it just happens and we have to deal with the fallout.
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Maugrim posted:I did Latin at school from probably '90-'98? And I never knew there was another pronunciation besides the hard 'c'. I would pronounce it with a soft c, but then my only exposure to Latin is through wargames.
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OwlFancier posted:Oh yeah there's like, coronation street, erm, quiz shows...
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Bone Crimes posted:So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF? That's one of those politics things you read about, right? I'm sure the politicians will sort it out. No need to worry.
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Bone Crimes posted:So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF?
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The only people who could do something about it have decided it isn't interesting, so that's that.
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Bone Crimes posted:WTF? as has been mentioned before in the thread, we've already been through all the 5 stages about it, those of us who can have made what arrangements we're able to, and are now firmly in popcorn mode to see what new and interesting ways this can somehow go further south
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OwlFancier posted:I really don't get how people watch most TV, like how am I supposed to be invested in a show about some posh twats loitering around a tip and grabbing bits of auld shite so they can get their weird mates to put hours of work on thousands of pounds of machinery and training so they can sell it to some gormless other posh people for a hundred quid? Or watch horrible yuppies buy knackered houses and do cowboy basic repairs so they can rent them out like the parasites they are? We're literally living through Peak TV™ at the moment - if you can't find something to be invested in it's because you don't want to watch TV, which is a perfectly fine position to take but it's slightly weird to pretend it's all bad.
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Bone Crimes posted:So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF? All the government can do is negotiate and/or capitulate and all the public can do is hope it ends up with some sort of a deal or prepare to commit some fun crimes in the near future so yeah it's just wait and see.
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OwlFancier posted:There's not really anything we can do about that though, that's entirely up to the government and if they decide to gently caress it up then it just happens and we have to deal with the fallout. Yeah it's this. There's no point freaking out as there's nothing in our power to change any of it. I've ordered an extra prescription of all my meds but I don't know if I'll get them. If not I could be in trouble but hopefully it won't come to that.
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Private Speech posted:It's not (at least not how he does, though it's not Jo either). Basically every country have their own pronunciation of Latin, the UK one being one of the relatively weirder ones. The catholic church have their own too, called ecclesiastical Latin. That was actually developed by noted goon rope kid 
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I think the fact that they had that absolutely, genuinely, last chance for a deal and we’re really pessimistic summit and then came out and said “actually we’re going to keep chatting” heavily suggests they’ll go for a deal in the end.
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blunt posted:We're literally living through Peak TV™ at the moment - if you can't find something to be invested in it's because you don't want to watch TV, which is a perfectly fine position to take but it's slightly weird to pretend it's all bad. Yeah. We are near the end of Succession, which is brilliant. We just finished Mrs America, which is very good. I May Destroy You is extraordinary. The Virtues was astounding. Schitt’s Creek and GLOW are delightful. His Dark Materials and Small Axe are meant to be excellent. And that’s scratching the surface.
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It would be nice, certainly, as I do have people I would prefer not to die and I would also like to continue to have a job next year.
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OwlFancier posted:There's not really anything we can do about that though, that's entirely up to the government and if they decide to gently caress it up then it just happens and we have to deal with the fallout. I mean, I guess? I guess I'm just surprised not to see any significant protest, be it in the streets with people, patient groups on social media, or even with capital screaming about the uncertainty of regulation. I haven't even seen real prepper discussion with how to manage insulin or meds or anything beyond saving a few extra cans of crisps in the pantry. I guess I'm comparing it to what would happen in the US if anything half as disruptive as a Brexit would be occurring in 16 days. I mean what I've seen: We're going to get a deal, and even if we don't, we are preparing We're going to get a deal, but we don't really need to prepare cause we're going to get a deal and the place where the trucks would go is underwater. We're going to the EU to negotiate these red lines, but we're going to get a deal 20 days left - *Crickets*
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I still maintaim that Boris is going to 'claim' he negotiated a last minute WTO deal, none of the papers will bother to correct him that a WTO deal is a no deal, and he will even manage a photo op stepping off a plane holding a handful of papers (which he will 'accidentally' drop, sending them blowing everywhere).
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Comrade Fakename posted:I think the fact that they had that absolutely, genuinely, last chance for a deal and we’re really pessimistic summit and then came out and said “actually we’re going to keep chatting” heavily suggests they’ll go for a deal in the end.
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kecske posted:as has been mentioned before in the thread, we've already been through all the 5 stages about it, those of us who can have made what arrangements we're able to, and are now firmly in popcorn mode to see what new and interesting ways this can somehow go further south namesake posted:All the government can do is negotiate and/or capitulate and all the public can do is hope it ends up with some sort of a deal or prepare to commit some fun crimes in the near future so yeah it's just wait and see. I mean, I fully get that the US political situation is full-on batshit insane, but there would be protests, and armed idiots out front of MPs houses, and all kinds of whackadoodle antics about this that would increase the pressure. I guess this just happened too slowly with too much procedural bs for this to happen? Or are Brits this passive about their country completely making GBS threads itself?
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