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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

I don't care, you don't need to give me the detail. All people need to know is there is a grudge between hololive (lol) and some Chinese vtube fans (lol).

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The antis are horrible poo poo and most of the hate they get is specifically from china, some of the more popular girls have straight up said "You make me do a direct apology to these fuckers and I'll quit". Like one of the girls had the gal to show a video from the chinese equivalent of youtube one time and they started flaming her and sending her pictures of dead rabbits (the vtuber is a rabbit girl)

The company basically decided to sever most of their reach in china because they weren't growing fast enough there and couldn't leverage the main strength of the company, which is doing collaborations with the rest of their talent. Instead the expanded to the west and they are doing significantly better.

does this count as hate speech

# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:15

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

does this count as hate speech

Almost certainly and if the whole social credit system was half as scary as the west paints it they would be in gulags making chopsticks for it

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

why are gamers awful basically everywhere? you ever been notice they've been moderated in 109 countries... wonder why?

# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:23

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

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# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:24

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Initially when the problem started I suggested as much, that the company could just decide to use it to rile up the japanese and western markets. But no, this isn't what they are doing. The companies reaction got a lot of japanese and westerners angry in the first place and just because they let some of the girls tell antis (doesn't matter which country they are from) to go gently caress themselves is not so much an endorsement and more to do that if the girls walk out it would do massive damage to their brand.

The girls continue to play chinese made games, and they get a ton of exposure causing increase sales in both japan and america/europe. Then the publishing company tells them to take down the videos because some chinese antis get mad and EVERYONE gets mad. The company that makes the game because they lose the extra revenue and the viewers because they literally bought a game because they saw a dog girl playing it. It hurts their bottom line, but without the cover of the party telling them this is wrong though they'll keep doing it.

# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:39

Protagorean: May 19, 2013; by Azathoth

wow I never want to read a sentence with "dog girl" in it again. have some wholesome Asia content Asia thread

https://twitter.com/BuddingPopJP/status/1338665721891418112?s=19

https://twitter.com/mondomascots/status/1339398315612389376?s=19

# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:48

THS: Sep 15, 2017

Mantis42 posted:

why are gamers awful basically everywhere? you ever been notice they've been moderated in 109 countries... wonder why?

because video games are for children

# ? Dec 17, 2020 18:48

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

In this month's Foreign Affairs:
The New Cold War and V-tuber Diplomacy
By Susan Powers and Vaush

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Not So Fast: Dec 27, 2007

It's funny how western capitalist companies are now beholden to the whims of the citizens of a supposedly socialist country. It's a shame its over Winnie The Pooh and not, say, human rights abuses by said companies.

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mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Not So Fast posted:

It's funny how western capitalist companies are now beholden to the whims of the citizens of a supposedly socialist country. It's a shame its over Winnie The Pooh and not, say, human rights abuses by said companies.

they are far more overtly beholden to american interests, the US military directly partners with companies to pump out propaganda in AAA games get the gently caress outta here

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1339671990806974465
:ironicat:

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e-dt: Sep 16, 2019

I love how people say "netizen" so much when talking about Chinese netizens. It's great

# ? Dec 17, 2020 22:57

John_A_Tallon: Nov 22, 2000; Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Data leak reveals 'members' of China's Communist Party working in global firms, consulates

Winston Sterzel (SerpentZA on Youtube) and Matthew Tye (C-Milk on Youtube), who have both criticized the CCP before, had a couple of points they made when they talked about this data leak that I feel is worth quoting verbatim here:

quote:

2 Million CCP Spies Have Infiltrated the West - Episode #41

Sterzel: "My friend's wife worked with them [the Confucius Institute], okay? Because they kind of co-opt all the local Chinese speakers, or the recent immigrants: they give them jobs very easily to kind of work in the university. They can help out with the events. It's nice for a new immigrant, a Chinese immigrant, to suddenly have a clique and be like "Oh look, it's just like back home! We can prepare for the Chinese New Year. We can make dumplings and things." That's the positive aspect of the Confucius Institute, they do do some of that stuff which is good, but at the same time; I was walking with them and they were talking in Chinese, and what I overheard pissed me off. You have no frickin' idea how much it pissed me off, and to this day I haven't told anyone what they were saying, but the Confucius Institute woman was talking to my friend's wife and she basically said- they were talking about a relative of my friend's wife, and they were like, "Don't worry about it, we can just bring them over on an education visa. We can just bring them in here and we'll get them to do a little something here, but then they can come." The Confucius Institute is just randomly bringing people in for favors or whatever it is, and putting them in there, and because they have this broad scope of being this cultural exchange program and you don't know who is coming in."

Tye: "No, it's literally CCP corruption that we know about, in China, in here."

Sterzel: "Yeah, so this Confucius Institute can actually be bringing in spies, they can be bringing in just horrible people, random people, people's relatives for favors you know? Help laundering money, who knows what they're doing, but it's that easy, and I overheard it. And that's just exactly the exchange I heard. So the fact that the Confucius Institute is imbedded and just randomly bringing people in, who knows how many CCP cronies have come in?"

Tye: "Yeah mostly we just weren't surprised."

Sterzel: "No, that's why I wasn't surprised that there was so many. Also the way it works is, when you sign up for your visa for the states for instance (and I know because I had to do it myself), part of your visa application you have to state whether or not you work for a government."

Tye: "Correct."

Sterzel: "You have to state if you're a party [member] or have an affiliate-ship with any kind of-"

Tye: "Right, whatever."

Sterzel: "Whatever. Communist Party of China, if you're coming from China. If you've ever been complicit in genocide, that's one of the questions no joke. They have a whole lot of things about "did you serve in the military", all this kind of stuff. And it's basically just on good faith, so if you just say, "no no no no no," unless they really dig into you, if you look like a real suspicious person, they're just going to take your word for it. And that's unfortunately what happens with the majority of Chinese immigrants and Chinese tourists and stuff. They just go "no no no no no," and also when they're coming in over the border, I know this because I used to train the doctors and tell them, "Hey listen, you're going into Australia, what are you taking with you?" And they'd tell me, "Oh I'm going to take this TCM, this and this and this and this," and I would tell them, "You need to, when you write that customs declaration form, say you have food with you, say you have this," because they're all taking their own thing. And they're like, "No!" They said, "No, we don't have to do that, every time we just say no and it's never a problem." Right? So that's the attitude that you're getting. So when they're applying for visas and stuff, they say "No," when it [asks], "Are you a member of the Chinese Communist Party?" They say no when they are."

Tye: "Of course."

Sterzel: "And then a whole lot of them, like I'd say honestly probably the majority of these people, that are coming here, from my experience anyway. So the people that are kind of monied, people that have-"

Tye: "At least have direct ties."

Sterzel: "Yeah they have ties, and if you have made something of yourself as a middle class person in China, you usually are a member of the Communist Party, or at least tied to the Communist Party in some way. Because that's what's allowed you your success. If you run a business in China, it's very difficult not to, without connections. That's just one of the things I'm saying. What it boils down to is the fact that it's very difficult for the American government or any other government to know whether or not the new Chinese immigrant, or the Chinese tourist, or the professor that's come over, or the student that's come over, it's difficult to know whether or not they are affiliated with the Communist Party, because there's no database. You can't ask China and say, "Hey, is this person part of the Communist Party?" They don't allow that information to be shared."

Tye: "Well it's not in their interest."

Sterzel: "That's also why you've seen, you know; I keep tabs on this becaise not only my wife, your wife, but our other Chinese friends, especially those living in America, they all have these groups on WeChat where they talk about what's going on in America. And very recently there's been a lot of worry about this thing because they're all saying, "America's going to kick us out if thy find out we're Chinese Communist Party members." That's what's been going on around in these circles. You had these thousand people that fled, that were in research positions. They just fled."

Tye: "Makes you wonder why."

Sterzel: "They fled America when they started to arrest people for being affiliated with the PLA or whatever it is. I think it was the FBI going after these guys, and suddenly like just a thousand fled. It just shows you that there's so many of these guys entrenched, and the problem is it's like a big sleeper cell. Because it doesn't matter if they work in an ice cream parlor or a high tech company, when the CCP calls, sends them an e-mail, whatever, they will be obliged to do whatever the CCP says."

Tye: "It's great that this old document was surfaced, and my take on this is that appropriate action, from intelligence around the world, will take action. The issue that I have, it's just going to cause, well China's already had a lot of time to regroup and figure out how they're going to continue operations. It's not going to stop."

Sterzel: "Yeah it's not going to stop."

Tye: "Unless countries really take it seriously, to be honest. Because China takes it seriously."

Sterzel: "The problem with that document is that it's from 2016, and that's a long time ago. Since then, countless more CCP members have managed to infiltrate everyday jobs and all different walks of life around the globe. And there's something to be said about that: it's a foreign government organization. It's not like you're part of the Democratic party, registered member of the Democratic or conservative party, whatever that is that elephant and donkey crap you guys like so much. That's different, that's just who you vote for. When you're part of the Communist Party of China it's not about voting or anything; there is no vote. It means that you are beholden to the Communist Party and you are a member that is now there to further the interests of the Communist Party."

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Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

man imagine if china was actually communist, what they'd be able to do with that much influence and reach

think of all the workforces they could organize, if they were actually communists and not red capitalists

# ? Dec 18, 2020 01:39

Kindest Forums User: Mar 25, 2008; Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.

We need an international treaty that bans anybody affiliated with a political party from participating in any international business.

# ? Dec 18, 2020 01:43

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

John_A_Tallon posted:

Data leak reveals 'members' of China's Communist Party working in global firms, consulates

Winston Sterzel (SerpentZA on Youtube) and Matthew Tye (C-Milk on Youtube), who have both criticized the CCP before, had a couple of points they made when they talked about this data leak that I feel is worth quoting verbatim here:

Hasnt Xi been on a big transperancy kick wrt CPC affiliation. Like his recent attempt to oblige party members to wear h&s pins in order to identify them to the public, did that ever get implemented?

# ? Dec 18, 2020 01:48

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Grapplejack posted:

man imagine if china was actually communist, what they'd be able to do with that much influence and reach

think of all the workforces they could organize, if they were actually communists and not red capitalists

The only reason china isn't a post-soviet style hell hole right now is because they don't attempt to overthrow capitalist governments. (Though they do give preferential treatment to established leftwing governments like Cuba and Venezuela which shoots holes in your red capitalist canard)

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Dreddout posted:

Hasnt Xi been on a big transperancy kick wrt CPC affiliation. Like his recent attempt to oblige party members to wear h&s pins in order to identify them to the public, did that ever get implemented?

Nah, only Carrie Lam does it like she works for dear Kim Jong Un.

# ? Dec 18, 2020 01:54

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Dreddout posted:

The only reason china isn't a post-soviet style hell hole right now is because they don't attempt to overthrow capitalist governments. (Though they do give preferential treatment to established leftwing governments like Cuba and Venezuela which shoots holes in your red capitalist canard)

Neither did the USSR for most of its history.

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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

what the heck is a dog girl or an anti

# ? Dec 18, 2020 02:40

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

fart simpson posted:

what the heck is a dog girl or an anti

I cant tell you what an anti looks like but I can show you the dog girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjt1u4M3t8

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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

i dont get it. there isn�t even a dog

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

This is a pro Trump rally song made by Chinese youtuber for the Chinese Trump fans.

https://youtu.be/YKC71UiO_G0

It's 100% in Chinese. Look at the up vote and the comment count, WTF. Most of the comments are variations of "I got misty eyed when I heard it."

# ? Dec 18, 2020 03:02

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

John_A_Tallon posted:

Data leak reveals 'members' of China's Communist Party working in global firms, consulates

Winston Sterzel (SerpentZA on Youtube) and Matthew Tye (C-Milk on Youtube), who have both criticized the CCP before, had a couple of points they made when they talked about this data leak that I feel is worth quoting verbatim here:

the china hysteria is off the charts lmao

# ? Dec 18, 2020 03:32

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Yeah I'm sorry but I have nothing nice to say about this idea that Confucius Institutes are a source for intelligence operations to infiltrate nations. That's the sort of rhetoric that's congruent with things like "we need to kick Chinese students out of universities" that the US and Australia have been saying.

# ? Dec 18, 2020 03:43

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

im sure china uses NGOs, quasi-ngos, whatever just like the US uses USAID and other things to sneak the occasional spook in to do spy crap but playing up millions of chinese people as a lurking potential fifth column is just some insanely racist poo poo

# ? Dec 18, 2020 03:46

John_A_Tallon: Nov 22, 2000; Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I cant tell you what an anti looks like but I can show you the dog girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjt1u4M3t8

So it's dudes using a VR overlay and a voice changer to pretend to be anime characters while they stream?

o
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# ? Dec 18, 2020 04:09

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

John_A_Tallon posted:

So it's dudes using a VR overlay and a voice changer to pretend to be anime characters while they stream?

o
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Nah it's almost all women, there aren't that many male vtubers. My assumption is that being a vtuber helps when you're a woman streaming because it creates a gulf between 'you' and the character, which makes it technically less creepy when people talk about wanting to gently caress you

# ? Dec 18, 2020 04:11

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

mila kunis posted:

the china hysteria is off the charts lmao

yeah those white guy china youtubers are almost all horrible as far as i can tell. the only cool one ive seen is the chinese cooking demystified guy

# ? Dec 18, 2020 04:38

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Man it's so hard to run a business in china without connections. If only my business selling illegal custom motorcycles in a market I clearly didn't understand had more guanxi it might have been a success.

I am never going to forget that guy stating that he did not benefit from white privilege.

# ? Dec 18, 2020 04:51

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

fart simpson posted:

yeah those white guy china youtubers are almost all horrible as far as i can tell. the only cool one ive seen is the chinese cooking demystified guy

There also seems to be a pretty clear divide between completely anti-China youtubers (AdvChina/Uncensored) and perhaps a little too positive youtubers (various) who are usually doing marketing for local governments (this is a pretty common thing across the platform for travel-vblogging). I think the demystified guy is mostly just doing his own thing and he just a guy who likes Chinese cuisine.

AdvChina is pretty low rent as far as anti-PRCmedia goes though they just sort of throw anything out there they can and pick every fight possible for the sake of drama.

# ? Dec 18, 2020 04:55

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Ardennes posted:

There also seems to be a pretty clear divide between completely anti-China youtubers (AdvChina/Uncensored) and perhaps a little too positive youtubers (various) who are usually doing marketing for local governments (this is a pretty common thing across the platform for travel-vblogging). I think the demystified guy is mostly just doing his own thing and he just a guy who likes Chinese cuisine.

AdvChina is pretty low rent as far as anti-PRCmedia goes though they just sort of throw anything out there they can and pick every fight possible for the sake of drama.

demystified guy has dipped his toes into pushing back on anti chinese racism but mostly he just really likes chinese food. he�s good in my book

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Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

fart simpson posted:

demystified guy has dipped his toes into pushing back on anti chinese racism but mostly he just really likes chinese food. he�s good in my book

the other youtubers are guys who should never have settled in China. the cooking demystified guy seems happy where he's at at least and his personality isn't grating

the other white-guy-in-china youtubers are schmucks who whine about everything and seem to lack identity beyond that

# ? Dec 18, 2020 05:28

Protagorean: May 19, 2013; by Azathoth

John_A_Tallon posted:

2 Million CCP Spies Have Infiltrated the West

lmao

# ? Dec 18, 2020 06:08

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

John_A_Tallon posted:

Data leak reveals 'members' of China's Communist Party working in global firms, consulates

Winston Sterzel (SerpentZA on Youtube) and Matthew Tye (C-Milk on Youtube), who have both criticized the CCP before, had a couple of points they made when they talked about this data leak that I feel is worth quoting verbatim here:

did you transcribe an essay-length conversation between two sexpats yourself

# ? Dec 18, 2020 06:45

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

so is there like an application for fifth columnists or what?

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

Hasnt Xi been on a big transperancy kick wrt CPC affiliation. Like his recent attempt to oblige party members to wear h&s pins in order to identify them to the public, did that ever get implemented?

i'm interested in this too. some videos i've noticed on CPC websites play up the pins. i think it ties into emphasizing the communist party as being a meaningful thing to be a part of, rather than just a career or whatever

http://djydata.people.cn/chuxinvideo/video-show.html?id=3145

http://djydata.people.cn/chuxinvideo/video-show.html?id=2657

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

There also seems to be a pretty clear divide between completely anti-China youtubers (AdvChina/Uncensored) and perhaps a little too positive youtubers (various) who are usually doing marketing for local governments (this is a pretty common thing across the platform for travel-vblogging). I think the demystified guy is mostly just doing his own thing and he just a guy who likes Chinese cuisine.

i think the real white expat gold is to learn to speak chinese really well and then make goofy videos talking about how wowed you are about china to an audience of old ladies who will donate you their money... and even if it's not much individually, well... there are a lot of old ladies in china

also on the pins, yeah, it's like the party wants cadres to wear the pins and be proud of it, and at least in principle that should come with some responsibility where you're supposed to help those old ladies i mentioned cross the street, serving as a role model to others, etc.

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