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ultrafilter posted:ET drat near killed the entire video games industry. Cyberpunk 2077 isn't going to do that.
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Everyone keeps saying they made their investment back, but will all these Playstation refunds mean to that claim? Like is it 100% only between Sony and The Consumer? CDPR's gotta be directly financially impacted in some way (beyond the tarnishing of the name for future sales and all that jazz) right?
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Dec 18, 2020 16:14
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It's hilarious, because without the console versions it'd just be a good game with a buggy launch and a weak open world
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Dec 18, 2020 16:18
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Sab669 posted:Everyone keeps saying they made their investment back, but will all these Playstation refunds mean to that claim?
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Dec 18, 2020 16:31
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Even a lot of people who return it on PS4 will end up buying on PC or PS5 down the line, and I'm sure they'll still sell a ton of DLC even if it isn't game of the decade or whatever, so yeah I think CDPR will be fine. They should have delayed the console release, but someone at the top clearly told them they had to push it out the door no matter what even though a bunch of people had to know it wasn't ready.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:32
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Sab669 posted:Everyone keeps saying they made their investment back, but will all these Playstation refunds mean to that claim?
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Dec 18, 2020 16:36
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Palpek posted:Of course that CDPR will have to pay for it but I personally doubt the ammount of refunds will actually be high enough to have CDPR lose money invested in the development over this. Also the information about them recouping their investment is from a week ago, specifically listed just digital distribution of the title as being responsible for that and the game has been a best seller since. Got'chya, didn't know that was regarding Digital Sales Only. And yea, even if every Playstation sale was refunded (which it won't be) I assume PC + MS sales would probably make up for it.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:37
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The eternal mystery of how you gently caress up the console versions when the game was originally announced for those consoles and the majority of its release dates were before the next gen was even properly announced.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:37
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I'm just glad PC isn't the version getting shafted as often these days.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:39
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Sinteres posted:Even a lot of people who return it on PS4 will end up buying on PC or PS5 down the line, and I'm sure they'll still sell a ton of DLC even if it isn't game of the decade or whatever, so yeah I think CDPR will be fine.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:40
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Still don't understand how it's a must-have title. When it's not crashing it seems, like, fine.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:44
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Kennel posted:Wasn't the original post about games that were as much (or more) hyped as CyberPunk, but not necessarily with a terrible launch. Yeah. Although they often go hand in hand, the discussion was about hype, not failure. I guess a new generation of gamers has at least learned a valuable lesson about not believing marketing bullshit.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:48
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No Wave posted:Still don't understand how it's a must-have title. When it's not crashing it seems, like, fine.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:50
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No Wave posted:Still don't understand how it's a must-have title. When it's not crashing it seems, like, fine. I honestly think describing any game as a "must have" is just nonsense. I could not get into BOTW at all, but everyone and their mom loved it. I thoroughly enjoyed RDR2 and am enjoying the hell out of this, but I know people who would want nothing to do with either of those.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:51
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No Wave posted:Still don't understand how it's a must-have title. When it's not crashing it seems, like, fine. I mean I guess I've never really played a CDPR game at launch, but Witcher 2 and 3 were both really enjoyable CRPGs with well-crafted stories.
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Dec 18, 2020 16:54
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I would not object to calling Witcher 3 must-have (even though lots of people hate it).
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Dec 18, 2020 16:57
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I got a Good Computer for the first time in my life at the beginning of the year so I've been playing all the AAA and must-have titles from the past 5 years or so and The Witcher 3 was not that impressive to me. Combat sucks. I also didn't care for RDR2, or Chores: the Game, that much either.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:15
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RDR2 would be better if it had more Chores.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:20
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Funky Valentine posted:The eternal mystery of how you gently caress up the console versions when the game was originally announced for those consoles and the majority of its release dates were before the next gen was even properly announced. I bet little to nothing in this game is older than like 2 years. It's almost certainly not a game that was in development for a decade; it's likely a game that was lost and mismanaged for 8 years and then thrown together in 2.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:22
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zoux posted:I got a Good Computer for the first time in my life at the beginning of the year so I've been playing all the AAA and must-have titles from the past 5 years or so and The Witcher 3 was not that impressive to me. Combat sucks. I also didn't care for RDR2, or Chores: the Game, that much either. Play a Sign heavy build and the combat is mega fun IMO. What is Chores: the Game? I could describe many that way... e; And yea, CP2077 was teased in like 2013 but if you told me they spent '13 - '17 designing the city and like '17 - '20 on every single other thing else I would believe.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:28
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graventy posted:I mean I guess I've never really played a CDPR game at launch, but Witcher 2 and 3 were both really enjoyable CRPGs with well-crafted stories. Witcher 2 was a mess at launch, but I remember The Witcher 3 flowed well from release date onwards.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:29
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Sab669 posted:Play a Sign heavy build and the combat is mega fun IMO. What is Chores: the Game? I could describe many that way... Red Dead I mean. It's just too slow and too much dicking off, I get that's the attraction for a lot of people but I didn't care for it.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:32
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Hub Cat posted:RDR2 would be better if it had more Chores. TheyHatedHimBecauseHeToldTheTruth.jpg
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Dec 18, 2020 17:36
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Oh OK I wasn't sure if that's what you meant or if you were referring to something else. Yea certain things like repeating the animation for putting loot into the community chest and poo poo is no doubt a deal breaker for many. But the beautiful vistas of R*'s Cinematic Camera while my horse takes me from A-to-B were just unparalleled for me.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:36
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I really liked the everyday world of RDR2 but the actual missions completely ripped any desire to be in that world away from me. I hunted for days but as soon as you put me in very constricted poorly constructed missions, blech.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:43
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I mean that's just kind of the Rockstar Way. Maybe I don't notice it as much in GTA games because you can get around pretty fast but when you open up the RD map and see like a ten minute horse ride ahead of you, yeesh.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:45
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Sab669 posted:e; And yea, CP2077 was teased in like 2013 but if you told me they spent '13 - '17 designing the city and like '17 - '20 on every single other thing else I would believe.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:46
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zoux posted:I mean that's just kind of the Rockstar Way. Maybe I don't notice it as much in GTA games because you can get around pretty fast but when you open up the RD map and see like a ten minute horse ride ahead of you, yeesh. It is, and always has been, I was just far more willing to accept lovely mission structure in 2013 than in 2019.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:48
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Hub Cat posted:RDR2 would be better if it had more Chores. If you mean that, it would be a bit cooler if the whole 'do odd jobs of your own choosing and your own way/methods, be it honorable or evil, to gather money for the community chest' was more important and integral to progression, instead of just being something to do until the game forgets all that and just forces you into more and more strict, linear missions that only go one way and ruin the dynamic of money and relationships, then I think that actually is a potentially good idea.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:52
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zoux posted:Is CP2077 the most hyped game like ever? I was trying to come up with a comparison last night, i.e. "This would be like if XXXX bombed at launch" but I can't think of a more highly anticipated game I usually have the opposite, hipster reaction; if something is too hyped-up and popular I get less enthusiastic about it. Usually serves me well, I'll get CyberPunk 2077 when it goes on sale
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Dec 18, 2020 18:06
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Kly posted:mixed signals here Realistically the base game is great for a casual city builder/traffic sandbox. The stuff on the workshop is great, but almost all of it is geared towards making it more dedicated to detail and realism. If you find you really enjoy Cities Skylines the workshop material is essential but if you just want to put together a reasonable looking city and toy with it while watching people move around in it then the base game is good for that.
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Dec 18, 2020 18:06
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Oof "Another developer asked whether CD Projekt’s directors felt it was hypocritical to make a game about corporate exploitation while expecting that their employees work overtime. The response was vague and noncommital."
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Dec 18, 2020 18:10
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Hub Cat posted:Oof The balls on the person who asked that  They've every right to be mad though from the sounds of things.
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Dec 18, 2020 18:11
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Phlegmish posted:I usually have the opposite, hipster reaction; if something is too hyped-up and popular I get less enthusiastic about it. Usually serves me well, I'll get CyberPunk 2077 when it goes on sale That's just how AAA game development works now, it seems. Buy a game on day one and it's going to be a buggy mess. I stopped playing Valhalla after the first patch they put out for it didn't actually do anything, and I'm waiting until it's "fixed" until I go back to it. The last patch they did on the 15th also didn't fix it. Basically it's foolish to buy a game within like the first six months of release (but I still do it  )
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Dec 18, 2020 18:15
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It's kind of funny how AAA was supposed to be a mark of quality that you can trust when that holds true less and less as time moves on. Honestly these days I trust indies there a lot more than I do AAA games when it comes to launch versions of games.
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Dec 18, 2020 18:18
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Every post on this forum is about cyberpunk
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Dec 18, 2020 18:18
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Yami Fenrir posted:It's kind of funny how AAA was supposed to be a mark of quality that you can trust when that holds true less and less as time moves on. I buy most games on sale long after they were released, often years. Played DA:I for the first time this year, for example. When I deviate from that, I go in the extreme opposite direction by getting the Early Access version as soon as possible. I pretty much never buy a game on launch day for some reason.
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Dec 18, 2020 18:20
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I played death stranding the day it came out on PC and there were absolutely 0 bugs, crashes, weird technical problems, or issues of any kind
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Dec 18, 2020 18:21
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Yami Fenrir posted:Honestly these days I trust indies there a lot more than I do AAA games when it comes to launch versions of games. Indie games have the opposite problem of taking ages to officially release, or never being properly released at all I guess it's more honest, but it's still frustrating in a different way. "Why are you complaining about this massive bug that's been in the game for seven years? Game is clearly advertised as being Early Access  "
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Phlegmish posted:I buy most games on sale long after they were released, often years. Played DA:I for the first time this year, for example. When I deviate from that, I go in the extreme opposite direction by getting the Early Access version as soon as possible. I pretty much never buy a game on launch day for some reason. Now that I think about I'm kind of the same actually. Either I'm hype/interested enough in the game to buy it EA or I buy it on a sale or something.
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