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Deathlove posted:Oh no, I need to buy an account! Whomst has a discount or referral or such for me? you can read a few articles before hitting the paywall.
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R.D. Mangles posted:you can read a few articles before hitting the paywall. Aren't they running a holiday discount as well?
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Wondering if Undefeated might be the next thing ESPN pulls apart: https://mobile.twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1339612822133743616
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Anals of History posted:Wondering if Undefeated might be the next thing ESPN pulls apart: I mean maybe but a guy leaving to be the editor of the washington post isn't necessarily a sign of that, that's a clear big job upgrade. Newspapers generally might be dying but that one is not.
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Anals of History posted:Wondering if Undefeated might be the next thing ESPN pulls apart: god, the whole Undefeated project was weird. originally going to have Jason Whitlock, who was going to butter up to LeBron for funding/content, only for LeBron to start Uninterrupted (which is basically The Undefeated except By LeBron James And Maverick Carter With Jemele Hill), and now possibly dead.
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AA pulled the tweet, what was it about?
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DJExile posted:AA pulled the tweet, what was it about? Editor of The Undefeated being in the running for a WaPo job. Source may have recanted.
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MourningView posted:I mean maybe but a guy leaving to be the editor of the washington post isn't necessarily a sign of that, that's a clear big job upgrade. Newspapers generally might be dying but that one is not. For sure, and obviously this all might be moot. It's hard not to wonder when it seems like Undefeated has been a dead site walking for so long. Troy Queef posted:god, the whole Undefeated project was weird. originally going to have Jason Whitlock, who was going to butter up to LeBron for funding/content, only for LeBron to start Uninterrupted (which is basically The Undefeated except By LeBron James And Maverick Carter With Jemele Hill), and now possibly dead. Stealing from Whitlock, hiring people that Whitlock would happily throw under the bus to appeal to the Outkick/Barstool set, is outstanding.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DefectorMedia/status/1339983430113701893 Context: numb nuts above says he'll give them a half million if they make 10 posts over 100 days, and get both 10,000 subscribers and page views. They've exceeded every goal.
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He's already weaseling out of it.
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The Defector folks essentially admitted he'd weasel out of it in the article and pre-called him out, so it's not like they expected half a mil in cash to show up overnight.
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lmao shout out to the defector rear end in a top hat who decided making a ethics in gaming journalism post was a good idea. https://twitter.com/DevRelCallum/status/1340725867572584448 gently caress off Dexo fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Already deleted, what did it say? Also what does this Callum Underwood guy have to do with Defector?
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Already deleted, what did it say? Writer quote tweeted this  but deleted it because assholes. https://twitter.com/DevRelCallum/status/1340769030148411393 https://twitter.com/duckvalentine/status/1340734848063954952
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jfc, albert
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I haven't read the article, but critics giving good ratings to heavily hyped big budget AAA CP 2077 is the opposite of giving a good rating to Depression Quest. Edit: I read it, he doesn't name any critics, but he's criticizing the reviewers who had the leverage to get advance copies in exchange for signing an NDA. How is criticizing big sites like IGN and GameInformer "punching down"? The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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The X-man cometh posted:I haven't read the article, but critics giving good ratings to heavily hyped big budget AAA CP 2077 is the opposite of giving a good rating to Depression Quest. He’s not criticizing the larger media entities he’s calling the journalists themselves “sellout clowns”. The broader point about how games journalism works is fair but it swings way too much at the people at the bottom of the totem pole
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The X-man cometh posted:I haven't read the article, but critics giving good ratings to heavily hyped big budget AAA CP 2077 is the opposite of giving a good rating to Depression Quest. Because that's not how reviewing at big or any game sites work at all(also not just large sites got that game for review),That so called "NDA" is just the review embargo like every single other industry has in place for receiving review copies, early hardware or seeing early screeners of movies. If you read almost any of those reviews. They pretty much all mention, that CDPR gave them the PC version for review, they asked for a console version but were not given one. The PC version of that game has some bugs but is playable, and most all of those reviews stated it had some bugs but the PC version of the game largely functions as one would expect. Some silly glitches here and there but nothing that really ruins the experience. There is no secret loving NDA that Game Reviewers signed. They were just reviewing the thing they got like they do every other time. There was just a version of that thing that came out that CDPR didn't show or give to anyone, it's loving dumb as bricks to blame the reviewers for that. It'd be like if someone reviewed a Movie in an IMAX screening, posted a review, and then trying to blow up that reviewers spot when the non-Imax screenings looked and sounded like poo poo for whatever reason. Blaming the reviewers for not being able to review the Xbone/PS4 console ports ahead of time is some fuckshit, that was solely on loving CDPR. But lmao yeah attack the writers. And not the system and companies trying to obfuscate the truth I guess... Dexo fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Also did anyone actually put out any reviews that completely glossed over problems? As far as I can tell, no one gave the game an uncritical 10/10. Given that Albert didn’t actually mention any, I feel like I can assume he just made up poo poo for no reason. IGN gave PC 9/10 and consoles 4/10. Gamespot: 7/10. So who is he talking about? Also lol: https://twitter.com/mikemcwhertor/status/1340808231430582280?s=21 Edit: Yeah, my friends who have played on PC range from probably a 6-9/10 range, but all said I should wait if I do play it. And most articles and discussion seemed to follow that as well. Just mind-boggling to pick out, of all the issues of the release, that game reviewers working to finish the game in a few days are the real problem. Nybble fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Like I disagree with the 9/10 PC version, and am much closer to the 7 range for the PC version. But I talk with people who are loving the poo poo out of it, and all a video game review is, is a singular person's opinion on a game.
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It seems like an ill-informed, ill-considered, shooting-from-the-hip take from Burneko, but on the other hand I think ~games reviewers~ as an abstract whole (he doesn’t call out anyone specific) will be okay, I’m sure they’ve survived worse.
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Dexo posted:Like I disagree with the 9/10 PC version, and am much closer to the 7 range for the PC version. But I talk with people who are loving the poo poo out of it, and all a video game review is, is a singular person's opinion on a game. I mean I really like it, and the Steam user reviews are mostly positive, with a lot of the negative reviews coming from a bunch of people who had 50+ hours in a game that's been out for like 10 days. It's not a masterpiece but the PC version is "Pretty Good" if you don't mind some of the silly bugs. The console versions are crap but like you said most places that gave it a good review explicitly were reviewing the PC version or never even got the console. He had a dumb take made even loving worse by invoking gamergate in that way.
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Nybble posted:Also did anyone actually put out any reviews that completely glossed over problems? As far as I can tell, no one gave the game an uncritical 10/10. Given that Albert didn’t actually mention any, I feel like I can assume he just made up poo poo for no reason. IGN gave PC 9/10 and consoles 4/10. Gamespot: 7/10. So who is he talking about? I dont really get how you can read the ign review and think it's a critical look at the game. I think the game needs a year or two of patches and the obvious comparison here is no mans sky which went from a 6 to a 7.8 in 3 years, and you have to understand that review score is not a linear thing.
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hifi posted:I dont really get how you can read the ign review and think it's a critical look at the game. I think the game needs a year or two of patches and the obvious comparison here is no mans sky which went from a 6 to a 7.8 in 3 years, and you have to understand that review score is not a linear thing. I did, This was literally in the review quote:Bugs in the System That reviewer just liked the game that was there enough and didn't run into any game breaking bugs, just annoyances that didn't deter what they liked about it. Also It's an individual reviewer's score, NMS was reviewed by another reviewer, who might have different tolerances and opinions. I generally think this comes down to review scores being loving worthless for Video games but that's a whole other argument. They aren't some spineless coward or whatever nonsense he called them, just a person who liked a loving video game, despite some bugs and still told people about the bugs and that they should hold off on playing it.
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There are problems in the game aside from t-posing, like police AI, the police spawning system, driving not being fun at all, and a bunch of the skills are crunchy rpg padding (3% more pistol damage per level?) or bad (the crafting perk that automatically disassembles everything), and there is definitely a discussion to be had about the story, setting, and characters It's unfair to lay decades of gamer grudges at the feet of the author, and I am acknowledging that the current system sucks rear end, but this is a case study in the product of that system, which has been gamed by the developer and credulously reviewed by the entire IGN apparatus
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There is a lot wrong with games journalism for sure but it's generally not the games journalists who are the part that's wrong with it. So yeah, for a sports writer, whose field for some reason is more respected and treated like serious news and have some freedom to be critical of what they cover (at least away from ESPN) then yeah, it's punching down to attack the writers.
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Dec 21, 2020 05:12
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Burneko got ripped in the comments, including by one of the people he literally links to and a former Gawker Media colleague. It's classic Gawker/Deadspin at its worst. Supercilious, ignorant, and totally immune to being told such.
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Rick posted:There is a lot wrong with games journalism for sure but it's generally not the games journalists who are the part that's wrong with it. So yeah, for a sports writer, whose field for some reason is more respected and treated like serious news and have some freedom to be critical of what they cover (at least away from ESPN) then yeah, it's punching down to attack the writers. Yeah this is where I’m at. Are games journalists mouthpieces to the companies? Yeah. Are sports journalists different? Not really?
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah this is where I’m at. Are games journalists mouthpieces to the companies? Yeah. Are sports journalists different? Not really? see, even in this case for Cyberpunk, I don't think "journalists are mouthpieces to the companies" is really fair. The equivalent to an NDA and getting the game early is being in the press box or locker rooms afterwards. If you're a hardcore devotee, yes, those things can "cause bias," but for 95% of the time they're things that just let the writers get their loving jobs done. The writers agree to those things because their websites want to run reviews right away because most of the page traffic and interest is the week any big game is released, and this allows them to get the game and play it for review and critical thought at that time. now, the interesting part is hearing from experienced hands about how this time with Cyberpunk was very strange. Vice's Waypoint podcast had an interesting discussion of this - instead of getting the review access through the channel the writers expected, they received emails direct from the developer (not their PR company in the middle) about getting access for PC only. And then they had a tight window to play the game and generate thoughts and content. Apparently it was a smaller group of people in the games media receiving that access as well. so what does that exclusive access get you? reviews noting how buggy the game is, articles about the game causing issues in people prone to seizures, and - my personal favorite - as soon as the embargo drops, Giant Bomb's Jeff Gerstmann saying "THEY SHOULD HAVE DELAYED THE GAME MORE!" I agree with a lot of the thoughts in the article's comments section and here - there are complaints to be made about this system, about reviews in games and how companies pin them to bonuses, a whole lot of lovely things. but members of the press signing NDAs and/or having embargoes to get a game early? That's not the issue.
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My issue with the material circumstances around video game reviews & associated journalism is that they are structured like movie reviews & associated journalism, despite movies making money by requiring you to physically move your fleshbag into a giant dark room with a velvet seat and spend two hours in comfort sipping soda and eating popcorn, while all a video game has to do is plop it over like a box of crackers and let you experience it yourself. If every video game was crafted to have a bespoke luxury experience rather than being literally the only furniture in a bachelor apartment, people would be way more forgiving of the experience and therefore the way the journalists write about them.
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In the spirit of Deadspin/Gawker it's also a blog they really didn't need when Luis had already published some good stuff on Cyberpunk.
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The kind of funny thing is I don't think albert ever wrote about video games or seemed to show any interest in them back in the gawker days, he just felt like he needed to make some big blustery shoot-from-the-hip post about Journalism These Days
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Never forget the greatest Albert Burneko hit of all time: https://adequateman.deadspin.com/i-killed-my-own-book-proposal-by-blogging-about-a-sad-f-1785045960
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skaboomizzy posted:Never forget the greatest Albert Burneko hit of all time: lmao i forgot about him having a history of shooting himself in the foot
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah this is where I’m at. Are games journalists mouthpieces to the companies? Yeah. Are sports journalists different? Not really? Deadspin used to poo poo on beat reporters for acting like tools all the time. I don't think Defector has yet, except for Manish Mehta, and that was totally different.
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