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Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Of course the necromancer doesn't want the flow of bodies to cease.

e:

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 19, 2020

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

I love the idea that correctly apportioning blame doesn't come with implicit lessons, like "stop voting for people who went to posh schools"

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Sitting here currently fuming at going from Tier 1 with less than 50 cases in the last 7 days through the entire Highlands to Tier 4 on Boxing Day because the Scottish Government are poo poo.


Hope we do an inquiry that assigns blame for when John Rent-A-Ghoul is such a twat.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

There will be people getting arrested for celebrating Christmas with their family who will still turn around and vote Tory at the next election

spiderbot
Oct 21, 2012


stev posted:

Doing that tonight as opposed to next week will still be breaking the rules since you're not supposed to go into lower tier areas so I don't see what difference it makes.

She reckons we will be a support bubble, so it will be still be within the rules. I spoke to her on the phone earlier and she is devastated, Christmas is really important to her. I really don't think it's a good idea though, she lives in the middle of nowhere so she is pretty much as safe as she can be, and if I go I will put her and everyone she meets at risk.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

namesake posted:

There is a distinct strain getting passed around and it seems to be getting dominant quickly so the idea that it is more infectious than other types is legit. However it is getting passed around and might only exist at all because our tiers have always been inadequate to contain the spread of the virus which is why we're rushing to a third lockdown already.

Join the Zero Covid campaign so that this next lockdown doesn't just delay the spread by three weeks. Instead we eliminate the spread of the virus by getting everyone to stay home, paying them enough to do so rather than wasting it on corrupt friends of the Tories and having a proper test and trace system in place to keep cases low and contained until we complete vaccination.

https://zerocovid.uk

Any more infor on Zero Covid? Who's behind it, etc?

I think it's important for all of us here lefty types to hammer home that if four easily achievable things had been done early, we would be able to have a pretty much normal Christmas:

- Lock down hard and fast, including shutting down manufacturing and all but the absolute, absolute essentials
- Universal Basic Income, paid for by some combination of a one off wealth tax on the super rich and corporations, and borrowing (with negative interest bonds)
- An effective and enforced test and trace
- Mandatory quarantine, at specialised centres, of 14 days for anyone entering the country, with dramatically restricted entry for the duration.

Pushing that line will stop them getting away with it. Especially when plenty of other countries did that.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
We need a proper, full, 6 week lockdown.
Curfews, checkpoints, military delivering food supplies.
Only medical and other emergencies to be dealt with.

I'm rather relieved Wales in in Tier 4 and England (I haven't worked out if all in Tier 4 yet!) - stops a lot of the family wrangling that's been going in since they all 'agreed' last Tuesday and have gradually been mutating what was agreed causing even more stress. Now, none of them can go anywhere, hurrah.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Very bad timing for the left to have been completely neutralised as a political force.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Jakabite posted:

Any more infor on Zero Covid? Who's behind it, etc?

The idea was kickstarted by a loose group of Manchester socialists and trade unionists. As such it's a constellation of people from different groups and varying politics a bit but it's not a front for anything.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Who knew that the must have present for Christmas 2020 was diarrhea bags.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

We need a proper, full, 6 week lockdown.
Curfews, checkpoints, military delivering food supplies.
Only medical and other emergencies to be dealt with.

This would have been ideal eight months ago. Now, after all of the undermining, wishy washy bullshit that's gone on (mostly Cummings) it feels like nothing will be effective. The last "lockdown" was largely ignored, the main difference being that pubs were closed. People have been trained by this government and its friends to believe that they can rationalise any rule away because their own circumstances are the exception.

It would take police or military presence on every road in the country for a lockdown to be truly effective at this point.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
FWIW I've seen nothing compelling that this new strain is more virulent. You can logically expect that when there is a larger pool of infection like London, you will have a greater probability of random mutation, whereas most reporting is implying the arrow of causation is pointing in the opposite direction. Furthermore, the emergence of this new mutation as the dominant strain in the south-east may simply be just chance - coronavirus transmission seems to be "chunky" and follow some sort of Pareto distribution, with large amounts of spreading starting from very few superspreader events. Remember, the initial virus was supplanted by the now-ubiquituous D614G strain, but there's nothing mechanistic to indicate this mutation was more virulent than the original. As it stands, bog-standard SARS-CoV2 is almost perfectly transmissible and there's probably no strong selection pressure to increase virulence.

All that being said, it might be, so any competent government pretty much has no choice but to enact harsh lockdowns. The fact that the Tories are not a competent government and have hosed everything up to this point doesn't really change that afaict.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

spiderbot posted:

She reckons we will be a support bubble, so it will be still be within the rules. I spoke to her on the phone earlier and she is devastated, Christmas is really important to her. I really don't think it's a good idea though, she lives in the middle of nowhere so she is pretty much as safe as she can be, and if I go I will put her and everyone she meets at risk.
To be fair, I had a look through the gov.uk tier 4 rules and it does say that support bubble rules apply across all tiers.

quote:

You can form a support bubble with another household of any size if:

you live by yourself – even if carers visit you to provide support

you are the only adult in your household who does not need continuous care as a result of a disability

your household includes a child who is under the age of one or was under that age on 2 December 2020

your household includes a child with a disability who requires continuous care and is under the age of 5, or was under that age on 2 December 2020

you are aged 16 or 17 living with others of the same age and without any adults

you are a single adult living with one or more children who are under the age of 18 or were under that age on 12 June 2020

That does however mean just the support bubbles, you can't do the 3 family thing.

It's probably still a bad idea, but if she lives alone and you are the only family she sees it's allowed.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
So how did Brexit work out, in the end?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Answer Hazy, ask again later.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Still hasn't happened yet. Or has, depending on how you look at it. Brexit is kind of like hell in that you become dislocated from time and space but it's still pretty unpleasant.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

endlessmonotony posted:

So how did Brexit work out, in the end?

We'll find out tomorrow by midnight. Unless we don't.

PiCroft
Jun 11, 2010

I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

Just dropping in to say: gently caress Covid, gently caress Boris and gently caress all the self-absorbed shitheads who didn't take the virus seriously.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

endlessmonotony posted:

So how did Brexit work out, in the end?

Might go onto extra time.
Then penalty kicks.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Finally Sturgeon bans the English :scotland:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Still hasn't happened yet. Or has, depending on how you look at it. Brexit is kind of like hell in that you become dislocated from time and space but it's still pretty unpleasant.
Which circle are we in?

happyhippy posted:

Might go onto extra time.
Then penalty kicks.

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah it didn't work out well in 1996 either.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Feel very very bad for my parents, I'm an only and spent last Christmas in Australia since my sister-in-law and her husband were out there and spent the whole time saying to my parents that we'll make Christmas 2020 extra special (we go over every boxing day and stay a few nights). It's our last one as a 2 since we've got a kid on the way too. gently caress.

mudskipp
Jan 1, 2018

stop making sense

Failed Imagineer posted:

We'll find out tomorrow by midnight. Unless we don't.

I used to think 'brexit means brexit' was a stupid thing to say, but now, having clawed out my own eyes and forced a showdown with laurence fishbourne I'm starting to get the logic

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Which circle are we in?

Dunno, depends, could be second where we're all horny and whipped by tempestuous winds. Seems apt for this island.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

absolute shitshow

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Help I'm on twitter how do I get off this ride

https://twitter.com/Mr_Considerate/status/1340371380920078338

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Are they seriously making his actual picture have a bigger forehead?

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

OwlFancier posted:

Still hasn't happened yet. Or has, depending on how you look at it. Brexit is kind of like hell in that you become dislocated from time and space but it's still pretty unpleasant.

Yeah well I find myself just seeing Dr Manhattan ('s glowing blue dong).

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Sorry to all in the UK for this poo poo. Genuinely feel bad for everyone. With my Mum dying recently it would've been nice for me to be able to come back to the UK and see my family but it's been obvious for a few months that that would be a bad idea. Although it doesn't change anything for me I worry about my Dad and the rest of my family.

I don't even know what the status is in Canada - no point in looking 'cause we were just gonna be staying home anyway, as we have been this whole time.

In other news, my brother is in loving Tenerife right now. Stupid oval office. Don't know what he's playing at. I expect they'll probably be going to see my Dad (in his 60s, and probably doesn't have great lungs due to smoking for ~40 years before switching to vaping) for Christmas, though I haven't asked him. He won't be loving told anyway.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Guavanaut posted:

Which circle are we in?
The biscuit game.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
As awful as all this is it is very funny to me that arch-populist Boris Johnson has had to stand in front of the nation and cancel Christmas.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

peanut- posted:

As awful as all this is it is very funny to me that arch-populist Boris Johnson has had to stand in front of the nation and cancel Christmas.

I'd find it funnier if there was any possibility of him actually suffering consequences for once

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

peanut- posted:

As awful as all this is it is very funny to me that arch-populist Boris Johnson has had to stand in front of the nation and cancel Christmas.

I'm genuinely looking forward to tomorrow's headlines

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


https://twitter.com/GNev2/status/1340342539291930629?s=19

The Neviller is now part of the shitpost left

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Tarnop posted:

I'm genuinely looking forward to tomorrow's headlines
Christmas forces reluctant boris to step up

Exclusive: is coronavirus part of the woke left?

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Guavanaut posted:

You can't appreciate the anime journalist unless you've read the original Magna.

:golfclap:

Tarnop posted:

Lest we forget, since this is when it all really went to complete poo poo

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1294885867321004032

This one is particularly fun because you get the Keith fans defending him, "well obviously he means he expects them back at school if [something]"

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The biscuit game.

Negotiations, they go round and round
And the stock portfolios go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't Remain, we can only look
Behind, from where we came
And go round and round and round, in the biscuit game

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Tarnop posted:

I'm genuinely looking forward to tomorrow's headlines

"Canceling Christmas Is Good And Sensible, Actually"

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010

Julio Cruz posted:

I'd find it funnier if there was any possibility of him actually suffering consequences for once

He didn't seem to learn any kind of lesson from actually having the virus (the "he was faking it for sympathy" theory aside), so there's no reason he, or anyone else who might be considered responsible in any way, will learn a single thing from this.

Anyway, my mother phoned and suggested "Christmas at Easter" as an alternative. I cannot say what might happen between now and then, but it's something to consider.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Based cromwellpilled johnson.

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