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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Oh no! I would hate for someone endangering the lives of others to be #canceled. :ohdear:

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Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
The media really should approach it from a FAA negligence angle, because who doesn't love articles about government incompetence. This would hopefully put pressure on FSDO to do something, because obviously the general aviation community doesn't have the required weight. And the FSDO does have more power over Jerry than mass media has.

I mean the article wouldn't have to name Jerry at all, just tell how a local aviator regularly post YT videos of dangerous, reckless and illegal flying yet the FSDO does nothing, then go interview some FSDO official.

Saukkis fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Dec 19, 2020

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Saukkis posted:

The media really should approach it from a FAA negligence angle, because who doesn't love articles about government incompetence. This would hopefully put pressure on FSDO to do something, because obviously the general aviation community doesn't have the required weight. And the FSDO does have more power over Jerry than mass media has.

I mean the article wouldn't have to name Jerry at all, just tell how a local aviator regularly post YT videos of dangerous, reckless and illegal flying yet the FSDO does nothing, then go interview some FSDO official.

I don't want to be crass, but the US media sure doesn't seem to see the forest through the trees. First clue is a letter T.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Saukkis posted:

I mean the article wouldn't have to name Jerry at all, just tell how a local aviator regularly post YT videos of dangerous, reckless and illegal flying yet the FSDO does nothing, then go interview some FSDO official.

Yeah, this is the place for your plucky young reporter trying to make a name for herself, like in a movie from the 70s about women in the workplace. She jumps some FSDO official with a microphone and camera as he's leaving the building, asking "why aren't you doing anything about this pilot all the other pilots agree is going to kill himself??" as he shoves the camera away and that goes on the weekly Dangerous Government Incompetence segment along with videos of Jerry doing his aerobatics. The FAA administrator sees the news and smashes his telephone to pieces and yells out the door for his secretary. The next time Jerry walks out to his plane he's met by a team of ramp checkers, the reporter gets a thank-you card from Jerry's wife and kids, and she's begrudgingly accepted by the old boys' club at the news station.

Unfortunately I don't think it works that way in real life.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Arson Daily posted:

Haha yes let's doxx this person for epic goon justice!

You don’t seem to understand the meaning of that word.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

e.pilot posted:

You don’t seem to understand the meaning of that word.

Like, that's just your opinion, man

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Saukkis posted:

It sounds to me like it could be more effective to get media interested on Jerry before the crash. Just find someone with suitable contacts in local media. Potential large fire could be a good argument.

Or someone in the aviation press who knows how to press buttons, like Paul Bertorelli at AVweb. He's perhaps the only one left in the aviation press come to think of it.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Ola posted:

Or someone in the aviation press who knows how to press buttons, like Paul Bertorelli at AVweb. He's perhaps the only one left in the aviation press come to think of it.

Maybe if we issued a press release aviation week would reprint it uncritically

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Get on Fox & Friends within the next month.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Arson Daily posted:

Like, that's just your opinion, man

Expected a negative post count. Kinda surprised.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

See this, what do?



Scream. Die maybe.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Godholio posted:

Expected a negative post count. Kinda surprised.

CSPAM doesn't do negative post counts.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
It strikes me as a "call the cops vs. don't call the cops" situation. In general, don't call the cops, but maybe if you have people creating a clear danger to human life and you've already tried other things and none have worked, then you should call the cops.

This is eventually going to end in the death of him, his passengers, and innocent bystanders because he has a history of extremely poor airmanship and has demonstrated literally zero willingness to address any of the issues. In general, yeah, don't report some rando on YouTube to the FAA even if they might be doing some questionable poo poo; this is a special case, because it's a serious and recurring issue.

How many aviation YouTubers do you see after an incident or a close call saying "yeah, I hosed up, here's what I did wrong and here's what I and you should do to avoid running into this situation again"? I wouldn't report someone for anything like that, even if they had indeed done a thing they should've known better about. Jerry is different because multiple people, including some in this thread, have reached out to him and tried to help him, but he's just like "nah I'm good, 50 degree bank turns to final are awesome! Let's go down to secondary minimums!"

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
I've always wanted to see the golden gate bridge from the air.


Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think that's the bay bridge.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Cojawfee posted:

I think that's the bay bridge.

They all look the same if you are a passenger screaming in terror.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Cojawfee posted:

I think that's the bay bridge.

It's going to be the Michael Bay bridge if he keeps flying around it like that

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Is he capable of straight and level flight?

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
At zero knots indicated, yes

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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If ATC needed him to climb or turn, I’m sure he could find it within himself to maintain straight and level fligth.

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!
Is it possible to FOIA an FSDO for their records? Asking for a friend.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I've always wanted to see the golden gate bridge from the air.




Isn't that literally a couple miles from SFO? Do they let people fly like you're in a cropduster in controlled airspace?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


slidebite posted:

Isn't that literally a couple miles from SFO? Do they let people fly like you're in a cropduster in controlled airspace?

What does your heart say?

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005
Doesn’t look like they let you but they don’t seem to stop you either

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

He's right about here, heading south-southeast towards the bridge (you can see the tower he's dive-bombing in between the two 80s)


which corresponds to this on the TAC



and his altimeter is showing about 600 feet



So the airspaces in that photo aren't all that relevant. At 600 feet he's in open (but controlled) class E airspace. He's got a code on his transponder, which means that he's probably in contact with NORCAL, so he's implicitly clear into the 1500-2999 foot OAK class C above him. He would need specific clearance into the 3000 foot SFO class B above that, but at 600 feet he's nowhere near either airspace.

The relevant rule in this case is that you cannot fly lower than 1000 feet above the tallest obstacle within 2000 feet laterally. That would be the Bay Bridge towers, which according to the TAC are 520 feet MSL, meaning he needs to be at 1520 feet to approach them. He doesn't overfly them in the video; he pulls a sharp left turn and does a 180 away. It's hard to tell exactly how close he got to the tower but I would bet that it's closer than 2000 feet.

Even if he was technically far enough away from the obstacle, performing what amounts to a strafing run on a major piece of public infrastructure in the downtown of a city is very obviously 14 CFR 91.13 careless and reckless operation.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Dec 20, 2020

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



His autopilot is: overconfidence.

I'm puckering up at all the tall pointy things adjacent to this dingdong. If I pulled this kind of crap with a drone, I'd be done.

Jerry's leading a charmed life, for however much of it remains.

Adding to the chorus: when he augers in, I hope he's alone & in a field somewhere. I can't believe his wife will voluntarily go up with him.

e: the only flying I see around me like that (PHL) is this Cessna that stunt-flies up & down I-295 (about 3-NM east of the airport), I think checking power lines/catenaries. Stands on a wingtip, goes in a circle one way, levels out, repeats the other way as the A/C moves south. I'm alerted to its presence by the wild engine pitch changes.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Dec 20, 2020

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I'm sure he gaslit his wife into believing that how he flies is normal.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Cojawfee posted:

I'm sure he gaslit his wife into believing that how he flies is normal.

It’s nuts, I’m not pilot, I can just about fly an RC model plane but since you all pointed out his flight videos I watched them and had a think, especially the bridge video. I grew up near a small private runway, must have seen a hundred pilots land cessnas, and i was trying to think if I ever saw one as badly handled. Nope! Not even close.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Cojawfee posted:

I'm sure he gaslit his wife into believing that how he flies is normal.

No doubt, his poor wife doesn’t seem to know any better judging by her comments in his videos.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Flying like that wouldn't obviously be unsafe to someone who doesn't know about aviation.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Mortabis posted:

Flying like that wouldn't obviously be unsafe to someone who doesn't know about aviation.

“This is the cool stuff you can do when you’re not flying a big airliner!”

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Mortabis posted:

Flying like that wouldn't obviously be unsafe to someone who doesn't know about aviation.

Yeah, this is the problem. As the pilot you are responsible for your passengers' lives. They quite possibly don't know anything about flying and can't make correct judgments about what's safe -- q.v. front-seat passengers telling me that a normal landing feels like we're going to smash the plane into the ground. It's even more complicated when you consider that, say, a 50-degree steep turn is perfectly safe when you do it at altitude with a good buffer of airspeed, but extremely dangerous at 200AGL and approach speed. Your passengers just have to trust that you are flying well and not putting them in any danger. Jerry violates that trust.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Mortabis posted:

Flying like that wouldn't obviously be unsafe to someone who doesn't know about aviation.

Yeah, like we all were, as kids, riding in cars - until we got our licenses...

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

PainterofCrap posted:

Yeah, like we all were, as kids, riding in cars - until we got our licenses...

I think that's how he tries to fly, like the plane is a car. Point and shoot. You can do that with $100M jet engines in the back, and you still need to know an awful lot else you drop to 100 metres off the ground, pull back on the stick, and the wings won't generate enough lift until you're -50 metres under the ground because you should have been thinking about that 30 seconds ago.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So where is Jerry's hometown/the place he flies into the most?

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Nebakenezzer posted:

So where is Jerry's hometown/the place he flies into the most?

Auburn California

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Something something roll tide bicth

monsterzero
May 12, 2002
-=TOPGUN=-
Boys who love airplanes :respek: Boys who love boys
Lipstick Apathy
Is there a website that will email me if Jerry is in my airspace so I can take cover, or do I need to hook a siren to a RPi with an SDR ADS-B receiver?

Effective-Disorder
Nov 13, 2013

quote:

TCAS II 7.1a Update Notes:

- Added special TCAS advisory to indicate when Jerry is in your immediate airspace.


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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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monsterzero posted:

Is there a website that will email me if Jerry is in my airspace so I can take cover, or do I need to hook a siren to a RPi with an SDR ADS-B receiver?

https://twitter.com/JerrySafety/status/1340003458536108033

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