Party Boat posted:No, to the contrary Eh...no it says those things aren't allowed.
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I think we're getting to the root of the problem with these nonsensical rules. I can't believe how many times these things have been tweaked and changed in the last year. Remember that second lockdown? Or the original tier system?
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Dec 19, 2020 23:44
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Vigil for Virgil posted:Eh...no it says those things aren't allowed. Yes, it's saying you're not allowed to stay with anyone that you do not "live with or are in a support bubble with"
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Dec 19, 2020 23:44
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The point of a support bubble is that single people can be "added" to another household for the purpose of anti-household mixing laws. So anything you could do with people you live with, you could do with someone in a support bubble.
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Dec 19, 2020 23:47
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This is why most gov.uk guidance takes the form of bullet pointed lists
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Dec 19, 2020 23:47
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stev posted:I think we're getting to the root of the problem with these nonsensical rules. Remember the Five Tests? 
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stev posted:I think we're getting to the root of the problem with these nonsensical rules. Track and Trace? Remember how it was best in the world too.
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Dec 19, 2020 23:52
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MagicalCarp posted:Remember the Five Tests? The jokes about the Tories adopting the Five Pillars and banning alcohol sales meaning they'd converted to Islam were pretty funny tbf.
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Dec 19, 2020 23:53
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It's been nothing but half measures since the initial lockdown and it's turning into a boy called wolf situation for a lot of people, even though there is definitely a wolf and it has eaten a significant number of people in plain sight. I am bad at analogies but hope this makes sense in some way
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Dec 19, 2020 23:57
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A huge part of the confusion is that Boris et al announce all sorts but then never make them law, case in point being the "you can't go from tier 3 to a lower tier" rule, which was announced but never put into the regulations. They did this constantly, another one being the single hour of exercise in the first lockdown, it was reported everywhere but was never a legal thing.
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Dec 19, 2020 23:59
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Then Cummings decided to test his eye sight by driving 200 miles to a tourist attraction. Which was fine by Boris.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:06
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The law is only that which is willing to be enforced, until challenged, in which case the law is only that which can be successfully challenged.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:06
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If you accept the premise that the government has been treating this as a PR problem, then their contact tracing effort makes a lot more sense. It allowed them to funnel money to Serco and pals (again) while giving them a source of statistical data that they could use at a time when people were starting to realise that maybe keeping open plan offices, meat packing plants, and other high density workplaces open was a bad idea. "Our contact tracers have found that most transmission occurs in [place we were going to close anyway] and a negligible amount in workplaces." It won't surprise me in the slightest if at some point in the future we find that there was an internal policy to avoid tracing workplace contacts, because they're already covered by the "if someone you work with tests positive then self isolate" rules.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:07
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Convex posted:It's been nothing but half measures since the initial lockdown and it's turning into a boy called wolf situation for a lot of people, even though there is definitely a wolf and it has eaten a significant number of people in plain sight. I am bad at analogies but hope this makes sense in some way The wolf is now having cubs, who are even better at catching people in the South East.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:07
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Lungboy posted:A huge part of the confusion is that Boris et al announce all sorts but then never make them law, case in point being the "you can't go from tier 3 to a lower tier" rule, which was announced but never put into the regulations. They did this constantly, another one being the single hour of exercise in the first lockdown, it was reported everywhere but was never a legal thing. Eh, the difference between guidance and law is kind of iffy because enforcement of the written law is always down to the polices judgement. In most cases if the filth come and break up your gathering you aren't going to win the argument on the day or risk getting done for assault over it if the copper really deserves it. The only distinction is if they issue a fine or something and you take it to court and that's probably well within their remit. It is important to see the difference but it makes almost no difference day to day.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:08
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Dec 20, 2020 00:12
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Question for the thread : if a neighbour or whatever is breaking the rules, is it OK to shop them to the pigs (note: I live in a very white area)? Today alone I saw two houses on my street with a whole bunch of people who don't live there going in, laden down with presents and such. And I'm not like, sat by the window twitching my curtains, this is just me happening to notice. Ordinarily I'd find this kind of snitching abhorrent, but otoh I feel like now we're in tier 4 there is literally no excuse for getting it wrong, people like this ARE spreading the virus and killing more people, and, more pettily, it loving sucks to be dutifully following the rules when your neighbours dgaf. I am torn.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:25
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The Perfect Element posted:Question for the thread : if a neighbour or whatever is breaking the rules, is it OK to shop them to the pigs (note: I live in a very white area)? My student neighbours had a big party last Friday and I had that same dilemma. I decided to ignore it and found out during the week that two of them had symptoms the day after and everyone at the party is now isolating and couldn’t travel home for Christmas during the week, lol
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The Perfect Element posted:Question for the thread : if a neighbour or whatever is breaking the rules, is it OK to shop them to the pigs (note: I live in a very white area)? There's no good answer here. If you know the households beforehand and could talk to them about their rule breaking in a way that they'll respect and listen then that's the place to start but it won't guarantee they do anything differently. If you don't know them and show up on the doorstep then you'll most likely get a hostile if not violent reaction because you've just barged into their lives. Escalating it to the cops is even worse because the cops won't really do anything unless they want to hassle the household anyway and that's enabling systemic oppression. The entire system is broken. Really the only solution is uniting your street into a revolutionary unit to overthrow capitalism.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:32
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Nothingtoseehere posted:The point of a support bubble is that single people can be "added" to another household for the purpose of anti-household mixing laws. So anything you could do with people you live with, you could do with someone in a support bubble. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household gov.uk posted:A support bubble is a support network which links 2 households. You have to meet certain eligibility rules to form a support bubble. This means not everyone will be able to form a support bubble.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:34
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Convex posted:It's been nothing but half measures since the initial lockdown and it's turning into a boy called wolf situation for a lot of people, even though there is definitely a wolf and it has eaten a significant number of people in plain sight. I am bad at analogies but hope this makes sense in some way Boy: "there's a wolf out there but bringing all the sheep in would be devastating for the sheep industry, so instead I'm going to recommend bringing the sheep in if you can but don't actually" *sheep die in droves*
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Boy: "there's a wolf out there but bringing all the sheep in would be devastating for the sheep industry, so instead I'm going to recommend bringing the sheep in if you can but don't actually" Also boy: What the gently caress? The sheep are all dead now because of you.
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The Perfect Element posted:Question for the thread : if a neighbour or whatever is breaking the rules, is it OK to shop them to the pigs (note: I live in a very white area)? My wife did literally have to call the police today because of a belligerent customer, it took her 25 minutes before they even answered, and they said they wouldn't be turning up because her workplace was closing 20 minutes after they did get through. So don't stress too much about dobbing people in cos the pigs are probably too busy for such frivolity anyway.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:37
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Calling the police is a tough one. Ordinarily I'd say no, but this is such an unusual situation and people breaking these rules are part of the reason we're in the mess we are right now so I lean towards saying yes, but only if there's loads of them doing it. If they were only putting themselves at risk then it's not nearly such a big deal but they aren't.
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Dec 20, 2020 00:58
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Checked his timeline and sadly he hadn't tweeted about Gove being a Jabroni as far as I could see
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Dec 20, 2020 01:00
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The Perfect Element posted:Question for the thread : if a neighbour or whatever is breaking the rules, is it OK to shop them to the pigs (note: I live in a very white area)? what tier of oval office are they - this is important information on whether to tout
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Dec 20, 2020 01:02
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why not just go out and gulder at them and threaten to do their windas if they don't gently caress up
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Dec 20, 2020 01:04
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common decency imo
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Dec 20, 2020 01:07
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The reason we are in this mess is not individual behavior, and that entire individualistic mindset that Bad Things happen because of Bad People is what right-wingers thrive off. The reason we are in this mess is the government has repeatedly failed to systematically manage this pandemic and destroyed, defunded, and dismissed the institutions that are supposed to protect against these things. Rage against the individual is a pointless directin of from the rage against the person responsible for this mess - Boris Johnson.
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Dec 20, 2020 01:20
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Of course I sympathise with everyone struggling to make Christmas plans right now, but you're far more likely to get a clear answer from poking at some sheep intestines than from the government's guidelines. It is a waste of time trying to work out what you should or shouldn't be doing this way. The readers of this thread are smart, sensible, and not to mention, extremely good-looking. Use your common sense instead.
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Dec 20, 2020 01:20
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Don't call the police on your neighbours unless they're being violent or sex trafficking or something.
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stev posted:Don't call the police on your neighbours unless they're being violent or sex trafficking or something. Yeah, don’t call the pigs.
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Dec 20, 2020 01:25
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Wow its like we're rebelling but we don't have to do anything
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Dec 20, 2020 01:30
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This thread is great, is there a thread just for Brexit or is this pretty much it? And yes I looked:)
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Dec 20, 2020 01:32
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oh yay the return of the brexit rubberneckers OH HEY IS SOMETHING HAPPENING ARE PEOPLE DYING YET IS IT REALLY BAD ARE THERE PEOPLE SUFFERING ARE THEY GOING ALL LIKE EEEEEEEUUUUUUUUURRRRRRGH HELP like that
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crispix posted:oh yay the return of the brexit rubberneckers OH HEY IS SOMETHING HAPPENING ARE PEOPLE DYING YET IS IT REALLY BAD I'm a British rail rubbber necker
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Dec 20, 2020 01:36
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:This thread is great, is there a thread just for Brexit or is this pretty much it? And yes I looked:) There's one in CSPAM that is essentially a viewing area for American leftists to have a giggle at poor people suffering. Depends what you're after. I assume there will be a GBS thread when the first food riots start.
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Dec 20, 2020 01:40
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Yeah some rubbernecking but also I like when posters can post multiple things and compare it with what is going on or post things from other sources. I used to live in England and it bums me out that Brexit is happening so I am just trying to pay attention.
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Dec 20, 2020 01:45
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you didn't live in England for very long if you go around saying things bummed you out, imo
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I'm lurking the thread as I'm a Brit who is now Australian but my family all live in the UK and this thread gives a wider perspective than they have on the situation.
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